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lanagraves
lanagraves Member Posts: 596
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer
I thought this one warranted a new thread.  I wasn't sure where to put the thread, but since I'm Stage III, I put it here.

I had an experience I had in Wal-Mart over the weekend I hope never to repeat.  I apparently have an uncanny propensity to attract every wacko at Wal-Mart anyway, but there must have been a full moon this weekend. I was in Wal-Mart doing my least favorite chore - grocery shopping, and I noticed this lady staring at me. I haven't worn anything on my head in a couple of months, so I had to think for a minute to realize why she was staring. Then she just walks up to me and, very directly, says: So do you have cancer? I was a little taken aback, but decided to be tolerant, so I said yes, I did, but, according to my scans, I am cancer-free now. That just seems to be the easiest way to explain it quickly and simply without details. Then why are you taking treatment, she said. I told her that I was locally advanced and had some lymph node involvement, and that's why my MO wanted to do chemo and radiation, to kill any remaining cancer cells that could not be seen on scans. She said, so is that supposed to take care of it forever, or you just don't know. I said, well, no one really knows, do they. I have done everything I can to prevent a recurrence and that's the best I can do. So did they tell you about all the horrible things chemo and radiation can do to your body, she asked. At this point, I was tired, already irritated that I had to go grocery shopping, and becoming much less tolerant. So, out of the blue, before I could answer, she says, "well, the Lord Jesus Christ says he will heal all those who ask in faith, so you must have asked in doubt and fear or else you would have been healed. But it's ok, we're only human, and the Lord told me to tell you that, even though you doubted, he had healed you anyway, and would take this curse from you so that you never have to deal with it again. It's over." REALLY!?!?!?!?! So I guess I did all this miserable chemo, surgery and radiation for nothing? And, even worse, it was my own fault, because I doubted the Lord's power? Oh, and I should be celebrating, because God spoke to HER and told HER that I would never have it again!! Again I say, REALLY????? There are some serious wack jobs out here, and this lady is a complete LUNATIC!!! Anyway, just thought I'd share. I may never go to Wal-Mart again.

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  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited August 2012

    You are far more tolerant than I. I would have slapped her into next week after question #1.

    That's one of the reasons I chose to wear a wig throughout treatment. I knew my shiny, bald head would act as an idiot magnet, and I don't suffer fools well even when I'm feeling good. Ugh! I'm sorry you had to deal with such a whacka-doodle. I really wonder if some people are missing the wiring between their primitive brains and their mouths!

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited August 2012

    I just realized I called her a "lady". Calling her a lady is reaching by any stretch of the imagination. What I should have said is "tactless delusional female".

  • GottaloveNED
    GottaloveNED Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2012

    Your story reminded me of the time during my cancer treatment ( I wore bandanas) I went to a cookout/ campfire, and while I was inside talking to the hostess, who I know casually, a guy (a guest from out of town) sitting at the island asked about what kind of cancer. When I said "breast", he started going on and on about some natural health book he had read about if you have cancer in your left breast it meant unresolved emotional issues with your father, and if it was in your right it meant your mother. Then he offered to "counsel" me over the Internet to heal my cancer, that if I came to Jesus and opened my heart I could stop all medical treatment and let God heal me. I said thanks, but that I was sticking with traditional treatment, and since I am a parochial school teacher, I thought God and I were on good enough terms. The funniest part is I live in a small town, and my RO's nurse was standing behind him, and she looked like a fish, opening her mouth to say something, but then closing it again since she's friends with the hostess. I always thought I should hunt down that book to read it for kicks.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited August 2012
    Lana, you made me chuckle. Whoever said that the freaks only come out at night have clearly never been to Wal-Mart during the day.Wink
  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited August 2012

    Sometimes the lunatics just run the asylum.

    I, too, wore a wig throughout treatment (well, I wore four different wigs, one of them was glow-in-the-dark fuschia-pink) because, even though I was comfortable doing a "GI Jane", the few times I did, I could see that people were staring and/or getting upset.  And, I figured, I had enough to go through without rude people staring at me.

    And, surprisingly, no one took a second-glance when I wore the fuschia-pink wig.  Go figure.

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited August 2012

    I could probably cut down on some of the stupid comments by strangers in public by wearing a wig or something, but, here in Mississippi, where it's 100 degrees with 90% humidity from June to September, it's just miserable to have something on my head. Besides, I just decided, why should I be uncomfortable just because someone else has a problem looking at it. I have enough things making me uncomfortabe during treatment - why add to it?

  • Stormynyte
    Stormynyte Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2012

    I've had a few people tell me I got cancer because I don't believe in god. These were people I kinda of know. I can't imagine a random stranger in Walmart saying some crap like that to me. I think I would have had to tell her where to go.  How horribly rude of her. I avoid walmart like the plague. It's true, all the crazies hang out there.

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited August 2012

    What a moron.  Sad, actually.  I realized something very helpful.  When people are saying these kinds of things, they aren't really talking to you.  They are actually talking to themselves, usually to self-sooth, to tell themselves the Lord will save them.

    Another primitive human thing is to be hurtful and reject something hard, as if to scream "go away"!  I went commando.  Had to, hot flashes were a train wreck.  I had a group of young men hang out the window and call me an ugly whore one day.  Lovely.

    Fine, okay. I know better, and it's a bit exhausting to have to be the spokesmodel, but goodness.  I'm just so glad I don't operate like that.  

    Lana, exactly.  My mantra:  "It's not my job to make you comfortable about cancer."

  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2012

    LtotheK your story of the young "men" brought back one of my most painful memories of this journey. I live in West Seattle and there is a road with a nice walking path along side called Alki Ave that runs down to and along the beach. It was a great place to walk my dogs on a nice afternoon. It was shortly after I had decided to stop wearing my wig and my hair was still very short and I was not completely comfortable being out and about like that yet. But I figured I had to just get over it so I was out walking my 2 dogs when a carload of teenage boys drove by and one of them shouted out the window "Oh look, 3 dog bitches"

    It was a busy day and I am sure other people walking/jogging along the path heard it. I have never felt so hurt in my life. It was all I could do to make it back to my car before completely breaking down. All I could think of was everything I had gone through in the last year and really didn't feel I deserved this kind of crap.

    I would hope that if the young "man" who made the remark had any idea the journey I had just been on perhaps he would feel bad about his comment. But who know? People can be so cruel/stupid sometimes.

    Actually that felt good to get off my chest. I hadn't told anybody that story. I was too embarrassed.

     Thanks, Cyndi 

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited August 2012

    I had a hard time with chemo...always in and out of the hospital because of my blood counts.  I remember right near the end of my chemo, I had to visit the ER due to fever.  I ended up staying the night in a triage bed.  In the morning, a woman came in to the bed next to me (we were separated by curtains), the guy on the other side was her husband....I have no idea why he was there, but he said to his wife "oh my God, I gotta get out of here - this place is full of freaks - there's a guy over there who tried to commit suicide, and some old dude had a heart attack, and the lady right in the next bed has CANCER!!"

    It took me a minute to realize he was referring to ME! Did he think cancer made me deaf??  It was just hurtful I guess - something that stuck with me.  Perhaps I should have said something, I don't know - wouldn't have accomplished anything except to likely upset me more and I really wasn't up for it.

  • Stormynyte
    Stormynyte Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2012

    Edited to add: This was supposed to be on the other thread! Ooops..

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited August 2012

    Wow...some of your stories. And people wonder why I feel my best when I'm off by myself in the mountains.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited August 2012

    Oh, my gosh.....as a committed Christian, those stories about so-called "Christians" who say you should have prayed harder, or believed more strongly, or whatever they claim to have been told by God, well, they just make me cringe.

    My faith is very strong, but I got cancer. Stuff happens. My faith helped me stay strong. I never had chemo or rads, but is that because I was more "blessed" than someone who did? Oh, heck no!!!

    Do I believe in miracles? Absolutely. But I also believe that God puts people in our path to help us, including medical personnel and treatments.

    I don't know why some suffer so, and some do not. I truly don't have the answer.

    But please - don't assume all Christians are like these whack jobs that just cause more harm. We're not all like that. Really!

  • eric95us
    eric95us Member Posts: 2,845
    edited August 2012

    Lana.... Those creatures are Walmartians.



    Eric



  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited August 2012

    Eric: walmartians...I love it!!! That word is definitely being added to my permanent vocabulary.

    Blessings: I am also am a Christian and no, we're not all like that. That walmartian, however, is certifiable.

  • MandalaB
    MandalaB Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2012

    I'm not even Christian and even I can hear Jesus crying over that lady's remark.

    wow. lol.

    Someone who I was acquainted with - TWICE- on 2 separate occasions actually eluded to my cancer being caused by a possible emotional time in my life that I haven't 'repaired'. Nothing in particular- just suggested that I had self esteem issues (and this person hardly knows me!). The same person also didn't get the whole "fight" part of it either. I'm a non violent person myself,  but I will use that word - I was questioned on it's "negative connotation" that could possibly attract more cancer.
    Would you fight what was trying to kill you?! Like, really?!

    lol.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited August 2012

    Wow that's just horrible and incredibly arrogant as well. I think I would have been in too much shock to even think of what I could have said. I'm sorry that you had to have this experience. Soo insensitive to you and also to those who are not able to be cured of their cancer by no fault of their own.

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited August 2012

    People are clueless and stupid...and congregate at walmart.  hehe, walmartians..LOVE it!  I'm Christian and just after my surgery a lady who has had breast cancer was talking to me about bc.  I asked her if it was in her nodes and she said "no, you know why?  Because I prayed that it wouldn't be."  Hmm, ya.  I did some praying, too. I don't think I've talked to her since.  Stuff happens and yep, God answered her prayers.  But He answered mine in many other ways.

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited August 2012

    Good thing it was a Walmartian who said that to you & not a neighbor or co-worker or anyone you might be expected to ever be civil to again. Your patience is amazing! 2 people I need to remain civil towards have preached "diet" (macrobiotic,ionized water......)to me. I told them I thought diet was bullshit when it comes to BC & we really don't talk anymore other than hi. Losing my composure was the worst part for me. I cut people off early when anything religious comes up.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited August 2012

    Blessings amd Bugs: amen to your posts.

  • Surly
    Surly Member Posts: 357
    edited August 2012

    Oh, how I wish that whackadoodle had approached me. I would have said, "What a coincidence that the Lord told you to tell me that! Because, honest to God, She told me to find you and tell you to go take a walk on the freeway but not to worry because She will protect you. If you doubt that, well, looks like you're going to get cancer. Have a nice walk!" Or I might want to say, "Nope. I'm an ex-con. Just got out for beating the crap out of nosy whackadoodle at Wal-Mart." But I won't spend a penny at Wal-Mart, so she's lucky. . . . I'm really not a murderous or violent person. Just occasionally brimming with misdirected anger. I just realized that I'm probably so feisty tonight because I started heavy doses of steroids this morning. I hope this is more cathartic or entertaining than disturbing. I salute all of you who have fielded such awful, mean, invasive, caustic comments so graciously. It is character building for sure. Those who say such things really only hurt themselves. Those boys in the car likely are haunted, or will be, by what they said. I almost, almost, feel sorry for them. 

  • 116
    116 Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2012

    I have always had a problem with it when people say you simply need to pray to heal your cancer, simply because I think about all of the mothers who have prayed over their little sick child who has cancer, who then unfortunately passes away anyway. I cannot imagine anyone praying harder than a mother faced with losing their child. The response then is always, "It was Gods will" but I cannot believe in a God who would chose to take the life of a beautiful innocent child from a loving mother, only to save a "walmartian" from having positive nodes. These stories always remind me of when my ex husband told my than 16 year old daughter that her sudden migraines were caused by her jealousy over his new girlfriend and they gave her green junk to rub on her forehead and told her to meditate and accept their new relationship. Turned out my daughter had a rare brain tumor. Thankfully they were able to remove her tumor and although she had some extra struggles she went on to get her masters degree and is now in the Peace Corps. I have always thought it was a shame that her dad and his now wife were not the ones who had their brains cut into, then maybe his children would not have cut him out of thier lives.

  • DCMom
    DCMom Member Posts: 624
    edited August 2012

    I am a Christian, but I have often found myself questioning God's plans.  It took me 12 years to have 3 children and after all we went through we felt so blessed with our family, and then cancer came along.  I am still angry that I fought so hard to have my babies, and then my timewith them might be cut short.  It pisses me off to be blunt.  Who can I be angry with except God who is supposed to be in charge of my plan?  That is the question of the day.

    I still hang on to the belief that even with all of this horror here that if I put my faith in Jesus Christ then there will be more to come.  I like to think that our time on earth will be such a small part of the big picture so that I can cope with this crap.  Does that mean I should be cured, absolutely not.  If you actually believe prayer changes God's plans and will heal I am afraid you may be questioning the faith of every Christian that dies young or suffers from disease.  It also puts a big red flag on why so many horrible "Walmartians" live extremely long lives. 

    Cancer is sad, but don't make it a God issue.  God is Good and crap is crap.

  • 116
    116 Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2012

    Very well said DCmom!

  • Katharine2411
    Katharine2411 Member Posts: 48
    edited August 2012

    I have stage III cancer as well ... I was on the phone last week and they asked what type of cancer I had. When I told them, they replied "oh, my mother died from that at the age of 54. Hmm, since I"m 51 and am just fresh out of my first round of chemo I thought it was insensitive to say the least. You just can't make these things up.

  • batwoman
    batwoman Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2012

    I teach at a college and when I was diagnosed (stage III, 6/24 pos nodes, ER/PR+) and had to go through innumerable tests followed by surgeries and treatment, so of course, I took time off. I actually got one student evaluation at the end of the course that said, "It was really a pain for the students to have to get used to a new professor halfway through the semester...."

    I loved your possible responses, Surly! I think I would react the same way. People need to keep their own religious beliefs to themselves.

    And I also avoid Walmart; I think they breed zombies there.

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited August 2012

    I have noticed the same .... it's seems quite common for people to start reciting off everyone they know who has died of cancer when they hear that you have had it.  Twits.

    DCMom - I like that: "God is good, crap is crap" Tongue out

  • overjoyed4life
    overjoyed4life Member Posts: 239
    edited August 2012

    You should have turned it around on her and said:

    You want to quote the Bible to me, here's a quote for you.

    Luke 23:34

    And Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

    So how do you like them apples, lady?

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited August 2012

    I'm a practising witch and my mother is devoutly Christian.  When I asked her once - after her cancer diagnosis - how she deals with the "prayers unanswered" thing, she said something that still sticks with me today.  "... sometimes, God's answer is 'no' and we have to accept that ..."  Not sure I quite agree, but it is a powerful thought.

    Personally, I prefer a quote from the actor, Paul Newman, "... Life comes down to luck..."  Yes, I think I agree with that.

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited August 2012

    Whoa. That's what I have to say about that. She should be careful who she soap boxes with....I would have probably lost it.

    You're a good person: ) Well...that's what the voices in my head are telling me....no, wait....they said you're hungry and should grab some lunch....oh crap....there's too many voices....

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