I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2012

    Alexandria, that rule truly IS oppressive! Just asked my husband and he didn't know about that restriction either. I never took to most traditional Jewish foods, especially the gefelte fish (YUK). I do like the matza balls and latkes, especially with sour cream. Um, um good!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    I make the Italian version of latkes.  I use zucchini flowers instead of taters.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2012

    This lady is 100 years old and is as bright as those shiny things in the sky.

    http://www.lolbucket.com/video/KN5K8Y4S1AMA/100-year-old-Idaho-woman-on-Jay-Leno-show

    I may take up the harmonica.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited July 2012

    Yorkie - my mother's side is orthodox, so I know most of the rules.  Don't follow them - being Jewish with an explanation - but I know them.

    Latkes - yum.  Also blintzes. with applesauce.I'm big on hummus, fallafal etc, but that's not Jewish as much as mediteranian.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited July 2012

    Taking off for a few hours.  Catch you all later!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2012

    Orthodox rules were basically sanitation rules, most of which no longer hold in these days of sanitation and food inspection.  Still not absolutely sure about the shellfish rules, other than that most shellfish are scavengers andd bottom feeders (so that can't be good!).

    I asked a good friend once why she still kept kosher, and she said that even though the rules are no longer necessary for good health, there are the two aspects of tradition and, for want of a better word which I just can't think of right now, self-control. Those continue to be important to her and her family (although her daughters have strayed and are, I guess, Jewish with an explanation!!).

    Muslim rules are much the same (halal) and for the same reasons. 

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited July 2012

    I have it on good authority that carnivores exist on this thread.  I love mushrooms, green peppers and onions on the grill ... but there is going to be a steak or chicken breast right there keeping them company.

    I suspect that there were originally health reasons behind a lot of the old dietary laws.  Pork for example was not safe to eat and the religious leaders helped to prevent people from eating it anyway and getting sick by calling it unclean and forbidding it.*

    None of my dogs will eat raw veggies at all.  A carrot gets spit halfway across the room and I get a WTH was that look. 

    Wish I thought cucumbers would survive a trip in the mail ... I'd be boxing them up today.  I did mail tomatoes to my sister in CA and step-daughter in FL one year.  Took ice packs and priority mail but most of them survived the trips.

    *what Linda said while I was typing ... LOL        

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2012

    I just love cucumber tomato sandwiches on white toast. Haven't had one of them in years, but they were delish.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited July 2012

    Oh good Lord Bluester............you COOKED the bone and marrow.............

     you never give dogs cooked bones..........

     (just want to make sure that your newbies have the FULL story)..........

     you ladies have a wonderful day.........

    shokker

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited July 2012

    Athena- thankyou for the explanation. I will tie my 3 remaining fingertips (that taxol spared from neuropathy) behind my back when it comes to non-science issues.



    Changing the subject...stephNie Miller will be making an announcement on her show about her mammogram yesterday. The tease, something that will change her future. Show ends at 9 pdt.

    (edited: she ended up saying nothing! That was a real tease.)
  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2012

    Good morning!  I am just dropping by to say hi before I go back to my oars on the slave boat I am working on this week.

    So much for my bonding time with my husband while monsters at camp as I have worked late every night this weekThen again, we did bond watching one of those radical PBS shows about physics and the universe (geeks should only marry other geeks!).  I never studied physics.  I have always been a math weenies.  But with this whole higgs particle stuff, I am thinking I should stretch my brain and try.  Who knows maybe I will be able to make new neural pathways to save myself from craziness in my old age!

    What I got out of it--space is not empty. . . .space is full of stuff.  Not just the space out around the earth but all the space. . .even the space between my fingers and the keyboard.  And it bends. . . And the universe is still expanding. . . .Of course this makes my tiny head just spin and spin and spin...

    My dear Gardengumby, hope springs eternal!  up here on the 28th floor I can see lots of blue sky.  As soon as the fog bank rolls back to the Olympics, you wil be seeing it too.

    We are engaging in a vegetarian experiment in our house.  Oldest has issues with eatting animals--has always been a sensitive sort so I'm not really surprised.   So we are doing a one month gig as vegetarians --- all of us even the highly carnivorous siblings.  I am four days in and doing fine.  DH blew it the first day with two burgers on our road trip.

    I decided for myself some years back --having done a year or two of veggie ness in my college days--that I was okay being a human who eats meat but what I was not okay with was the whole torture of animals on their way to being meat.  So I stopped purchasing mass produced factory farmed meat & eggs and turned to my local farmers.  yes I am one of those wacky persons who knows exactly what the Thanksgiving turkey looked like before it hit the table. 

    as for housepets and raw meat, our one cat can smell raw meat and comes shooting down the stairs to beg whenever I am cooking something.  I have taken to giving her some and she is happy as a clam.  I figure those pointy teeth in her little head mean she is not supposed to be just eatting cat chow.

    But what she really wants is for me to let her out on the roof so she can go help herself to the baby barn swallows nesting in the eaves of the house!

    back to my labors!  hugs to all! 

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited July 2012

    Bren & Cherryl ... enjoy your visit!!!   

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Religious dietary rules are not about self-control exactly, but it is about discipline, in the sense of religious discipline. If you keep food rules for religious reasons, it means that you will keep your religion in mind as part of your daily life.



    Blue, zucchini flower fritters are the best. Sometimes cancer is a wonderful thing. Last month we visited some friends, and the grandma had made zucchini flower fritters, a huge bowl of them. I ate almost the whole bowl by myself, cheered on by everyone, because I need my strength after all.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2012

    Yes, blintzes! Just love them! My DH's maternal grandparents were Russian immigrants and orthodox. However, his grandma barely spoke any English and his grandfather never learned it. His grandfather was a cobbler and had a shop in the Jewish section of Boston, so never really needed to learn English. But, it meant my DH couldn't communicate with him very well, except in Yiddish. DH remembers sitting away from his mom at his grandparents' synagogue and not liking that. But his parents were not very religious. They observed the Jewish holidays, but also Christmas. His dad's family had been in the U.S. much longer, were much more affluent and professionally successful. Interestingly, though, he was always much closer to his maternal side of the family. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    Waving at shokk - you have an English sense of humor - I like that.
     

    Having a frustrating time with a research database - keeps timing out on me every time I try to customize something...grrrr.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited July 2012

    I got curious about the bone thing and looked around for info.  The only reason anybody mentioned to not cook them was because it could make them splinter.  And then some could be cooked and some should not be.   I never saw a word about cooking affecting bone marrow.  It was likely just too rich for little Lilah.  Glad she is OK!

    I've never had zucchini flower fritters.  After a couple of years of overabundance zucchini was outlawed from my garden and I only heard about them (from here) afterward.

    The treat that will get my cat out of hiding in a heartbeat is ham.  I swear she can hear hubby just thinking about making a ham sandwich.   

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2012

    Gardengumby, I think it's the cumulative effect of the animals' flatulance plus all the man-made pollutants. When it was just critters doing their thing, our climate wasn't in trouble. Reminds me of that meme, don't mess with Mother Nature.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2012

    Momine -- Thanks!  Discipline was the word I was searching, and just couldn't find it in my brain matter this morning!

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited July 2012

    Blue, when you mentioned zucchini fritters a few days ago, I found a receipe in the New York Times. Great minds!

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited July 2012

    3monstmama - you are 3 floors higher than me - I'm on floor 25 - wonder if we're in the same building.  I can look across the freeway to see Harborview Hospital (and on a good day Mt Rainier) out my window...  :)

    yorkiemom -  I would assume that everything contributes to our problem.  Volcanoes, flatulence (Wink), carbon emissions, garbage dumps, rotting vegetable matter, and possible a host of things we are not yet even aware of.  In some ways I'm just as bad as the "I love my gas-guzzler" folks as I don't want to give up meat (or cheese - or ice cream....) - so may be a little harder to convince about the problem with animal herds.

    WhiteRabbit - I simply cannot convince my husband that we need to limit the amount of zucchini we plant.  I had planted a single plant - as I figured we'd have a hard time keeping up with that.  He planted 10 (yes - ten) more.  Fortunately a majority of them got choked out by weeds (I'm not much of a gardener lately), but we still have 4 or 5 good healthy plants.  I'm going to have to serve zucchini for breakfast, lunch and dinner once they start producing.  

    BlueDalia - what's this about zucchini flower consumption?  see my above note to WhiteRabbit and you'll see why I'm interested..... Laughing

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2012

    Jews and Muslims have a lot of religious rules, but the monks and nuns of Buddhism have them all beat even though the rules only apply to the ordained.  The rules are actually called the Discipline, Vinaya.

    There are 227 rules for monks and over 300 for nuns.

    Discipline is for the sake of restraint,
    re
    straint for the sake of freedom from remorse,
    freedom from remorse for the sake of joy
    ,... http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    WR exactly.  The bone marrow was too fatty, cooked or uncooked.  The bone was too big for her to tackle, so it was left untouched.  Hi there Shokk!

    As far as zucchini flowers go, there are male amd female flowers.  Pick the male ones, wash and chop....oh heck cherryl please post the recipe.  My typing capability has gone from, 70% to 10%.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2012

    gardengumby I will happily take your zucchini!  I like zucchini, especially zucchini pancakes (like latkes but substitute zucchini for the potato).  But blue is right--you can take the flowers and fry them and them fewer zucchini.  Stuff with a bit of ricotta and chopped herbs. . . .

    I am down closer to the water overlooking pioneer square, the harbor and today, Mt. Rainier!  I confess, I truly love my view of the mt.  Puts so much in perspective.

    There are definitely LOTS of rules in the Buddhist tradition.  Someone told me the reason for more rules for nuns than monks but I can't remember it.  But the other two--Judaism and Islam-- have ample rules for living too.  I used to know lots of them --I found them interesting like the part about only eatting fish with scales (so no swordfish for you if you are orthodox) or having more than one wife--not just how it came about but what to do once you did it.  For example, you can't have more than one wife if you can't treat them absolutely equal.  So bring back a gold bracelet for one, bring back equal gold bracelets for all.  Equal housing and even equal amounts of sex!  All of which goes to show that rules are created but most people don't really seem to adhere to them.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2012

    Are rules in Judaism the same as commandments?  Are Christians cherry picking ten rules from Deuteronomy and Exodus? Or, is there some sort of hierarchy of rules vs commandments?

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited July 2012

    there really were 10 "commandments" that were given to Moses - in addition to those there are a host of other rules, including dietary.  I'm not Jewish, but the religion I was raised in was heavily into the old testament.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    No, Christians are not cherry-picking. The ten commndments are the ones Moses brought down from the mountain. All the restof the rules and regulations in the OT are specifically not required of Christians.



    I can't answer the rest of your question, because I don't know how Judaism classifies the various rules.



    Some of the more colorful rule stuff is in Leviticus, again not required of Christians although a lot of Fundamentalists seem quite confused on that point.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited July 2012

    Wow - what a fantastic website - thanks for the link, Blue.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    You're quite welcome!

    Here's a pic of my 4 lb. source of joy.  I'm still giving her a liver supplement, Zentonil, because her liver was distressed by the whole ordeal.  VirgMcVirg aka Virgil is hiding under the pillow.  He's a real character!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

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