I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Scoot, I think you are right. I can completely understand why someone with great insurance would be wary of change. The one that really gets to me is your #3.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    gardengumby - first time I've read that someone else has developed exzema while on an AI.  I think there's a connection - I never had a problem ( and I'm OLD, 67) b4, but now I have several different "kinds" of exzema: the one in my eyebrows, ears, is called sebborsomething - the one on my body, in places, is a different kind.  ITCHES.  Worse in winter, or, this is fun, if I get too much sun.  But, I'm thinking it has something to do with the AI.  who knows?

    OK.  I am now officially HOOKED on newsroom, that link I gave isn't great - BUT, for those who don't have HBO, we don't have cable TV in the hilltowns, and too much snow/ice in winter to pay for a satellite dishy thingie, so, here it is:

     http://www.hbo.com/the-newsroom?cmpid=ABC1270&tracking_ID=305797&K_CLICKID=20af167f-430a-1648-227d-000023831118#

    We'll probably be behind schedule ( shed-yool, for the Brits among us!) with the online FULL EPISODE version, but still know what's happening.

    ALSO, what Linda said...

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    socialism is what conservatives call help for the poor. When it's help for the rich, as in corporate welfare, they label it "market forces."

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited July 2012

    I've been luvin reading all of your posts on ACA. You guys are very talented debaters.  For me, it's still a mystery what drives the selfservative mind.  From my experience, you have to strip it bare to usually find out it is irrational ideology and hella lot of Cognitive Dissonance.  Sadly, there is a racist element for Obama.  It's a nice diversion from BC and chemo.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    I have to keep my opinions to myself because I'm on the hit list.  Some people can't handle the truth and the only way to shut me up is to get me banned.  Well I stayed away from this site for many many months and can do it again if I have to.  You guys are the only reason I came back, but it felt really good to not be aware of some of the idjuts out there and what comes out of their fingers, both here and elsewhere.

    Mods, I am not referring to specific idjuts, just the general ones.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    Blue, you know that every time there's a thread in which one person that lots of us have on ignore is posting, someone always gets banned. No surprise there. What does amazes me is that this individual still has the report capacity (or holds sway with the mods, don't kno0w which).

    Question for HL: How is work going for you?

    Me: I am having a very frustrating two days, work-wise. I am desperately seeking data which I would think is fairly easily available but so far I am coming up blank. Coming up with everything around it but...

    Oh, and BTW, I don't have health insurance right at this moment, so if you don't all mind drinking to my health, I'd be "much obliged." A lioness who can't hunt is a lioness who can't be a lioness. Simple as that. Innocent

    I've been without health insurance before, but not having it after cancer is a bit daunting. I wouldn't want to have to pay for a recurrence out of pocket, because a recurrence for me would likely be stage IV at which time, if I decided on treatment it would be Anything But Cheap.

    ETA: Anyone heard from Bren? She hasn't been here in days....

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    I'm in touch with her.  She's got a lot on her plate right now, so I guess that's why she hasn't popped in.  Athena, once a cry-baby always a cry-baby! AND here's to your health!

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited July 2012

    Skoal - I don't know what that means, but I've always wanted to say it Laughing. 

    Anyway - to your health, Athena, may you not get recurrence, nor anything else while in the insurance wasteland.....

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited July 2012

    Are you self-employed Athena?  I'm guessing you're not wo insurance by choice?  I have too many friends one illness away from being uninsured and I just can't fathom what that must feel like, let alone not having any.  Once I reached retirement age, but not Medicare age, I had the security of knowing I'd never lose my federal health insurance.  I want everyone to have that security dammit!

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited July 2012

    Dang - I'm with you Kam.  Right now the only reason I'm still working is health insurance.  I've got a little less than three years to go for medicare, and keeping my current health insurance is prohibitively expensive, as i would need to cover not only what I pay, and what my company pays, but also a "maintenance fee" - all in all it's close to $2000/mo if I pick up the whole tab - then with all the co-pays on top of it - well - it's a lot of money - certainly more than we could afford on retirement funds.  I figure that if I work a little more than a year, I can do Cobra until Medicare kicks in.  I will have a pension from my employer, but health insurance is not covered if you aren't employed at least 20 hours per week.  I feel awfully lucky to have a pension, though, as so many do not.

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited July 2012

    I desperately wanted to be a stay at home full time mom when my kids were born.  My husband had no desire to do so.  But, mainly because of health insurance, I work, he stays home full time.  (Salary is definitely involved, too, but the health insurance put it over the edge).  We have both adjusted, and I have no regrets, nor, do I think, does he.  But it is unfortunate that our child-rearing decisions were dictated by health insurance.  We did have a period where we had really lousy insurance...and that was disquieting.  No insurance sounds very scary, Athena.  I am wishing you a very healthy time...well, heck, I wish that for you anyway, but you know what I mean...:)

    On another note, I just want you all to know that it is very comfortable here with all of you pinko commies (as Archie Bunker might have put it).  Between here and the atheist thread with all of the heathens, I feel right at home...  Thank you all!

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited July 2012

    Love the Archie character.  He is such a goofus.

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  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited July 2012

    And such beautiful fingers.

    And that face. Oh, that face. Forget Magic Mike.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    giggling thinking of Archie...Norman Lear knew what he was doing when he created that character.  Know HL must know this, but for the "younger" folk, Norman Lear created People for the American Way many years ago.

    As I don't wander around this site much anymore myself, figure you all may find this interesting:

    http://www.dana-farber.org/Newsroom/News-Releases/Breast-cancer-s-many-drivers.aspx

    Can't remember if we had 3N's hanging out here?  

    CLC - I forget what we used to be called - but it wasn't pinko commies, does anybody remember what it was?

    Blue - idjuts, used to be zombies, but they gave zombies a bad nameSealed

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  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited July 2012

    Wasn't the phrase "commie pinko"?  {{{Athena}}}

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    Thanks all -

    Blue - I won't PM Bren because I don't want to pressure her to write if she's overwhelmed - but if she's reading this, or you speak to her, please send her a huge hug from me!

    My current state is "consultant"; hopefully it will be "in between jobs with health insurance" once my labor history is fully written. It says a lot about aspects of my last job that I was willing to leave it and health insurance. Hopefully my "consultant" status will be amended. Glad to be busy working, though. Considering the scarcity of jobs I was damned lucky. But I am certainly not uninsured by choice. If cobra were not so prohibitive I would have taken it. As it is, it's cheaper to treat my comorbidity paying cash - my dr. doesn't take insurance anyway.

    Yey to commie pinkos! I LOVE "All in the Family"

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2012

    Athena - Work is meh.  I went back to the office half-days starting yesterday.  I took a nap yesterday afternoon and a bigger nap this afternoon, and fell asleep on the bus coming home to boot.  DH also let me oversleep an hour this morning and still had to shake me awake.  DH has been chewing on me since the weekend that he doesn't think I'm quite ready to go back, especially since they don't seem to care if I'm there or at home.  And I don't get much psychic satisfaction out of it either.  I can retire in a month when I reach the magic 55 as a Fed under the old retirement system.  I'm going to stick around a few more months for some symmetry in retirement calculations and then go, unless I can find something else to do somewhere else that will be fun. Fortunately, we saved a lot and have guaranteed pensions unlike most folks, so I'll be OK.  Kam, I do too.  FEHB or Medicare for all.

    Athena, I am also uneasy on your behalf about the no insurance issue.  It is a precarious position to be in, especially for us.  I hope you find something soon that does have insurance. 

    Sunflowers, I DO remember People for the American Way!

    I keep writing rebuttals and deleting them on the other thread, because really ... what's the use?  They know what they know and will not be confused by facts.  I particularly like the "cases the media uses to support the ACA" language.  CASES?  They are effing PEOPLE who EFFING DIED because they didn't have insurance!  And they didn't EFFING DIE just to be a case to SUPPORT the ACA!  I just deleted a whole bunch of this rant because ... really, what's the use of trying to engage them?  But they disgust me.

    I love being here with the liberal intellectual elitist communist socialist hippies.  We used to be the East Coast libertal intellectual elitist etc etc, but then we became geographically diverse!

    GG and Sunflowers, I am delighted that you're hooked on "The Newsroom."  I am now impatiently awaiting the next episode! 

    I have now erased 5 rants from this post!   Sealed

    You know, people dying from lack of access to health care through lack of affordable insurance also costs the economy and therefore every citizen. Their dependents get Social Security and perhaps Medicaid, Medicare or SCHP. The investment in the decedant's education and workforce training is lost. The productivity that individual brought to the workforce is lost.  Or-- maybe that's the point. "Decrease the surplus population, right?"

    *SIGH*

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    HL - keep your rants coming and don't erase them. Even with my ignore settings on I get annoyed because what some say is so outrageous that others are forced to quote them and respond.

    As for your fatigue - I am not surprised. Remember I said they basically changed your meniscus - they changed your waterways and estuaries with all that vascular work. That is a LOT for the body to adjust to. The ooph may also be a contributing factor in the tiredness. I was was a dish rag while on Lupron. That's great that you have the option to retire soon.

    Yes, I am very uneasy about health insurance. It was a tough calculus. My psychiatrist and I agree that it was overall better for my health to leave where I was, as the people were dysfunctional and toxic and driving me to very bad health. It speaks volumes for how bad it was. I try to stay as health as possible and I try to look forward to a bright future. If I do get a recurrence, worst case scenario, family helps out so I won't be totally abandoned. I am trading my happiness for health security. Hopefully not for long.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2012

    Hi Athena .. thanks for asking about me ... big hugs for you too!

    I'm "under the porch."  That's southern speak for "I feel like shit" and I'm hiding out for a bit.

    Welcome to all the new gals ... I'm so happy to see so much happening on this thread.  I've been trying to keep up with all of you, and I'm enjoying all the new gals!

    I'll write again soon.

    love to all my buddies

    Bren

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2012

    http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7451-07.pdf

    This is a very good publication from the Kaiser Family Foundation called "The Unisured:  A Primer."  It was published last October.  Just for reference. 

    L

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    ((((Bren)))) stay safe and warm under that porch and don't worry about us until you feel up to it.

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2012

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/10/medicaids-stimulative-effect/?hpid=z1

    This is good, too.  What many people can't seem to grasp is the multiplier effect of a dollar of government spending.  It doesn't just disappear into thin air -- it buys things.  Government employees buy cars, clothes, houses, food, they pay electricity, phone, gas, internet bills, they go out to eat, they pay tuition, they buy things.  Governments buy things too, to perform their functions -- asphalt, firetrucks, electricity, phone services, phones, gasoline, diesel, uniforms, guns, personal protective equipment, paper, computers, copiers, pencils, pens, carpet, paint, furniture, food ... and people make and sell all of those things. 

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  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited July 2012

    LOL ... been doing a lot of 'deleting' myself Libby.  You are going to like retirement ...

    Another federal retiree here.  I love the way we can choose among plans and compare them so easily.  And change from plan to plan to whatever suits us best annually.  If an insurance company treats us badly we can dump them and go with somebody else.  So knowing that the 'goodness' of that is being portrayed as a bad thing just makes me want to scream.  I really believe that the hysteria being ramped up now is because they know that once people have access to it that they are going to like it. 

    'Cases' ... I worked for the VA for a few years and we were repeatedly reminded that we were dealing with people and not files or cases.  It can be easy to fall into the trap of forgetting that if you let yourself get too wrapped up in other things. 

    Anne ... LOL.  I do know that you were not talking about Archie Bunker Wink

    Waving at Bren ...  Hope you get to feeling better so you can come back and play with us more!

       

        

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    {{{{Athena}}}} - back in the "old" days, there was a group in DC that arranged health insurance for "consultants" - I know cuz that's how I got my BCBS, darned if I can remember the name - but expect it still exists.  Got us "group" rates.

    Yikes - was somebody banned cuz of "that" thread?  somebody PM me, don't mess with this thread ;-)

    Bren - we'll leave cold drinks for you next to the porch.  Cookies too?

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited July 2012

    Athena Good health thoughts going your way.

    As for the other thread...sigh

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2012

    Ah, but the day ends well - finally found that bit of data I was looking for!

    "To our health"

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  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited July 2012

    Athena, to our health!

    Ladies, just breezed through a violent part of town and was wondering why you are all beating you heads against a brick building trying to talk logically in an illogical environment? You are wasting your precious time. Stay here with friends where it's safe to go outside after dark.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited July 2012

    So was that that "breath of fresh air" I just felt on the nape of my neck.  Felt like a cold north wind.

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  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited July 2012

    I so need a drink!  What are you offering up tonight?

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  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited July 2012

    Whatever your heart desires!

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