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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    the protein molecule in goat's milk is smaller & this more sutable for humans.......turns out the farm store at the bottom of the road here, kept us going after the flood, has real yams.  taste the same & look the same except for the outside.....& I wonder when the site (?) said yams arn't estrogenic if they meant real yams or the dark sweet potatoes.........

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Cross-posted own post for those following my wait to know cancer or not --- the answer is yes, it is still there in 2 right axilla nodes.

    today went to new doctor, the chiropractor. I can work with him, he is informative, talkative, tells all he knows. Passion is holistic, we are on same page. He is the opposite from my integrative md who is quiet, well-informmed to a date, thenn he seemed to stop reading so I have to bring him along but he researches and adds to his protocols but passionate just the same as chiro. They offer different tx, and the chiro offers noninvasive testing critical to knowledge of what is working.

    After initial exam and the BIA analysis, I took home the new liver detox medical food I will be using for the next month or so, 2 weeks as a fast. Metagenics. UltraClear plus pH. I am to start slow, then go to the fast. We will then be looking for allergies as I readd foods. I'm game. If my body is too toxic the immune system will just spin even with thet new drugs or supplements foro the immune system to work at its best. So I detox.

    SECOND DOCTOR OF DAY - went to the oncologist. Not so good. I basically cannot stand this man, his colleaguues, the 'clinic' which is like a grand spa with their money well spent on decor and spaciousness, all that insurance money and Medicare monies with no where to go?

    Onc said I have cancer in right axilla. Th eleft neck node was an infection in node. But cancer in two nodes in right armpit. This is where 1 positive node and 10 neg were removed Nov 2011. I think it is residual cancer cells from then, and I aask why could not the same preps have been made for that surgery as now, so they would know.

    Onc has no answers, he refers me for everything to everyone, he doesn't do this and that, he only does what he does. HE is a scientific doctor, he says. He says he can CURE this for me if I follow his protocol. Yes, he used that word.

    1) surgery. 2) radiation. 3) tests would reveal if I am to respond to chemo. 4) chemo, if applies. 5) Arimadix for 5 yrs.

    We all know, those who know me.... I have the answers I was seeking from the onc depart. I knew something was wrong. I also know that in the last three weeks I have been better than I was so I have done something that improved me yet again.

    Now to ponder surgery and where to find a bs spec w a laser or similar, the less on this LE arm the better. But the rest, no thanks.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited July 2012

    Diane, I am sorry for the dx, but at least it sounds like you got a lot of info, for better or worse.

    I hear you on the LE concerns. Have you considered talking to the recon practice down in NOLA that is frequently discussed on the recon board? I say this because they also do lymph repair and apparently are very aware of LE issues. They might be able to help you find a practice/surgeon who could do right by you.

    Did you already have rads after your surgery last year or did you skip it? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    No rads or chemo yet, Momine.  I am probably opting out forever.

    Still researching options and came across radiofrequency ablation, allong with the cryoablation (freezing) that I already knew of.  For women w breastcancer who arer not good surgical candidates.  me. 

    edited to add link for above and some more info on bc....

    http://www.sirweb.org/patients/breast-cancer/ 

    Thank you for the suggestion.  I will check into it because the lymph repair is needed.  And a bit of cushion in underside of the right breast where 25% of it was removed.  But  the positive margin from Nov surgery leads me on another tangent first, to be certain I have a handle on this.  

    3am here, thought it was 2am as i live right on time zone line, augh, but did have 2 hr nap on sofa so had a heaad start.  

    nite all.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    after watching gary's war on health movie on youtube, (harede going) I watched a vidio of his sunday night show, 1st time, it's all health & nutrision & call-ins, very interesting, no politics, talked a lot about sweet potatoews, says good for us + diabetics, not to cook them too long........

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Essa, I was going to suggest cryoablation, it's in clinical trials, maybe one near you !!! Keeping my fingers crossed XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00723294

    Abi, I love sweet potatoes and/or yams Wink 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    ice sure helps

  • graced
    graced Member Posts: 104
    edited July 2012

    Sorry Diane.  {{{hugs}}}

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    today searching out drs for radiofrequency ablation, note on one paage said the ins often ocvers this one.

    Does anyone know if ins covers cryoablation?  If not, it is not possible even a little bit.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited July 2012

    DianeEssa, I'm sending you a link to the government trial for the cryoablation treatment. It will be covered by insurance if you qualify.

    http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00723294?term=ACOSOG+Z1072&rank=1

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited July 2012
    exbrnxgrl, government-run health plans do not cover the cost of thermography in Canada. However, there are private health insurance companies that do cover the procedure.  Europeans commonly use thermography. It has been around longer there.
  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    I guess I've finally figured out what it is I've got:  & my age works well for it;  makes it less aggressive, apparently, & all seem to be a-typical. on bit of info said dead in 6 to 9 months, it's been 1 year & a third since the first colored spot (of 2) appeared.  theyve grown some but very little since I began the twice a day mega green tea regime last november. 

    gary mentioned Jin Shen touch therapy today I think

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Kira thank you for link.  I won't quality, not new for me, had surgery already.  Besides, now I need the lymph nodes done and looking into crytoablation or radiofrequency ablation for nodes, not too easy to find, but the dr in Ft Wayne will see me Wed and refer me if necessary.  Seems RFA is covered by most ins, but not cryto (freezing). 

    Am off to the LE threads to see about surgery in an LE arm.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited July 2012

    Thanks, zuvart. I think dianeEssa originally made the comment that it was standard in Canada. I just checked out the Health Canada web site for her. Caryn

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    no, just asking if it is standard as I read it somewhere on bco that thermos are.  Waiting for the day they will be here.  did find a chiro w  a thermogram mach so am in business. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Just wanted to get back to carrots, they're estrogenic Surprised now, we know why BC and grapefruit don't get along

    3-Hydroxybenzoic acid is found in common plants such as grapefruit (Citrus
    paradisi), olive oil (Olea europaea) [13], and medlar fruit (Mespilus germanica) [14]. It has
    glucosylating activity

    p-Hydroxybenzoic acid (4-hydroxybenzoic acid, 2, Figure 2) has been isolated from many sources including carrots (Daucus carota) [16], oil palm (Elaeis guineensis) [17], grapes (Vitis vinifera), and numerous other species including east African satinwood (Fagara acrophylla), yellow-leaf tree (Xanthophyllum rubescens), peroba (Paratecoma peroba), taheebo (Tabebuia impetiginosa), red sandalwood (Pterocarpus santalinus), southern catalpa (Catalpa bignonioides), Chinese chastetree (Vitex negundo) [18], betel palm (Areca catechu), Cuban royal palm (Roystonea regia) [19], and medlar (Mespilus germanica) [14]. It shows antifungal, antimutagenic, antisickling, estrogenic [20], and antimicrobial [17] activities. p-Hydroxybenzoic acid has a growth timulation effect on the freshwater green alga Pseudokirchneriella subcapitata

    Estrogenic Herbs: Anise, hops, fennel, black cohosh, milk thistle, clover, red clover, Don Quai, licorice, ginseng, royal jelly, peony, nettle, sage, fenugreek, evening primrose oil, burdock, chamomiles, rhubarb

    Estrogenic Food: French bean, date palm, dates, garlic, pomegranate, apple, soyabean, chick pea, cherry, alfalfa, soya sprouts, cow pea, green beans, red beans, split peas, flaxseed, raspberry, carrot and squash (both have beta carotene)

    Take-away, I'm not gonna go overboard on the foods above

    Estrogen-containing foods such as alfalfa, chick pea, carrot (or beta carotene) can be taken occasionally but not on a regular basis

    http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-04.xhtml

    And when adding raw carrots to my salads, I will use coconut oil as recommended:

    "Add warmed coconut oil in the dressing, the carrot will then carry the coconut oil to the lower intestine. The carrot salad with a coconut oil, vinegar, and salt dressing idea comes from Raymond Peat, PhD. He states that this salad "can often help to normalize progesterone, apparently by protecting against intestinal absorption of bacterial endotoxin, and by helping to reduce the reabsorption of estrogen which has been excreted in the bile." 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Some people say they're not gonna bother with estrogens in food, but it can really add up:

    In Townsend Letters for Doctors and Patients (January, 1997 issue), Ray Peat, a renowned biologist in the U.S., stated that "the concept of a protective estrogen is very similar to the idea of protective mutagens or protective carcinogens". He mentioned that "Alexander Lipshuts demonstrated that a continuous, weak estrogenic stimulus was immensely effective in producing first fibromas, then cancer, in one organ after another, and the effect was not limited to the reproductive system". For example, the brain and liver, which also have estrogen receptors, may grow tumours too.

    Interestingly, one of the three common estrogens, Estriol, has similar properties. Being a less potent cell stimulant, Estriol was once classified as an estrogen antagonist. In the book Estrogens in the Environment, it was mentioned "because it failed to induce breast tumors in susceptible rodent strains and appeared to block such induction by Estradiol and Estrone, it was considered to be a safe estrogen". However, later studies showed that Estriol was safe only if it was administered as a single injection. A continuous administration of Estriol showed the same responses from that induced by Estradiol which is the most potent estrogen. Continuous administration of Estriol was also shown to induce breast tumors in rodents.

    Estriol has been suggested as having a protective role in breast cancer based on the observation that oriental women who have a high [Estriol/(Estradiol + Estrone)] ratio in their blood also have a low incidence of breast cancer. Soya bean (contains phytoestrogen) has also been suggested as being protective in breast cancer because Japanese women who consume much more soya bean than Western women have lower incidence of breast cancer.

    My observation is that in the past oriental women took much less medical drugs including painkillers compared to women in Western societies. However oriental breast cancer incidence has gone up significantly in recent years even though soya bean products are still consumed there much more than in Western societies. I believe this trend may in part be due to increased consumption of medications. The American Liver Foundation stated that the amount of medicine consumed has increased greatly with resulting dangers to the liver.

    The elevated estrogen level caused by a weak liver may not be detected in blood tests because blood estrogen levels do not necessarily reflect estrogen levels in tissues. Estrogen levels in the tissues cannot be measured.

    Estrogens bind to sodium which retains water. That is why many women who take estrogen therapy may find significant weight gain. The fact that estrogen therapy weakens both liver and kidneys and therefore slows down the metabolism may also aggravate weight problems.

    http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-04.xhtml

    Having stopped Tamoxifen, I will opt on the side of caution and aim for a very healthy liver 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    extremely interesting, as usual.  last week, I guess, gary mentioned cinnamon a beneficial, I think for digestive disorders, (in place of the purple pill....& why would anyone eat a purple pill.....)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Abi, I read cinnamon is excellent for various reasons

    Just read about pistachios, if only they weren't so darn expansive.  Amazing all the foods that are being studied for their anti-cancer properties.  

    The list is endless !!  It's a safe bet to conclude that if one is eating grains, nuts, seeds, veges and fruits that they are protected from ravaging diseases

    Pistachios Could Protect Against Cancer

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/06/health-pistachios-could-protect-against-cancer_n_1653663.html

     

  • graced
    graced Member Posts: 104
    edited July 2012

    Cinnamon is supposed to help stabilize blood sugar levels too.  I put some in my breakfast smoothie every day :-)

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2012

    Everybody knows that I am on the "phytoestrogens are beneficial" side, so I will just point out that the article you quote was written in 1997.  Got anything more recent that might be more compelling?  I graduated college in 1997 and that was a long time ago.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    Are you talking to me Sweetbean ?...if so, you know I've posted tons of articles on the subject here on BCO, especially about the bad soy Wink

    You can take your pick from the link below re: phytoestrogens as endocrine disrupters which was essentially the subject of my post above

    https://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q='Endocrine+Disrupters'+(Phytoestrogens)+in+Food+Plants

    PLUS, I posted on the Natural Girls thread a very recent article about glycine being a cancer promoter.  Guess what: biggest source of glycine is soy 

    ETA - my link won't work, just google: Endocrine Disrupters (Phytoestrogens) in Food Plants 

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited July 2012

    I mix cinnamon with my oatmeat every morning. Love it!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    I granduated from college in 1960 & I took an extra year to finish

    re:  estrogenics:  beer hasn't been mentioned.  & pot, of course.  & I would think eggs & milk are:  they're from females, after all

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2012

    My note to below - there has been a vaccine for bc on the shelf of a dr's office in OH for years.  A cancer ward nurse who lost her life to bc was attempting to get thisvaccine to the public in her last months, once she knew of it, no one would lsiten, not even her 1500 friends on FB.  That is how I found the first alternative choices, reading about here and realizing she haad never used the alts. I will tryto findherlink on gorwing bolder.com to read but it is harsh.

    http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=14047&Section=DISEASE&utm_source=DailyHealthBulletin&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Disease&utm_content=Body+ContinueReading&utm_campaign=DHB_120710

    FROM EMAIL

    Life Extension Daily Bulletin: Disease
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    Roswell Park will study whether a vaccine can trigger an immune response to cancer

    Tuesday, July 10, 2012.

    When Roswell Park Cancer Institute announced a new trial of an experimental cancer vaccine earlier this year, 5,000 people watched the event on the Internet, 4,000 called or emailed in the following days and nearly 1,000 people posted comments on Twitter.

    All this for a small study that will enroll only 18 participants to gauge safety.

    The intense interest reflected the major re-emergence of an idea that has intrigued medical scientists for more than a century - using the body's natural ability to defend itself against disease-causing organisms, the immune system, to treat and prevent cancer.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    gary has said many times that vaccines are neither safe nor effective, however he has talked about an alternative dr who uses self vaccines:  using the patient's own trouble for a vaccine.  can't remember the name of that dr.

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited July 2012

    American Metabolics uses vaccines that are cultured from the patient's blood and tumor cells. The protocols for treating cancer developed by American Metabolic Institute's medical director, Dr. G. Rubio, are mentioned in a book called The Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide To Cancer.

    Abigail, Dr. Rubio is the only alternative doctor that I know of who develops personalized vaccines for cancer patients. Is that who Gary was talking about? His cancer center is in La Mesa, Mexico. Besides the vaccines, he also uses a mix of other thing i.e. rife technology, nutrition, herbal medicines etc. to heal his patients.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    not sure.  doesn't sound familiar, but the method does.  could have been emmanuel rivicci, who lived to over 100 as I recall but didn;t use any dietary approach to health.  a personal friend of gary

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited July 2012

    gary gave a lecture on cancer today.  I took notes.  breast cancer was mentioned once, most of the info was generis, for breast cancer 3 hrs before retiring melatonin..........first he talked about alkalinity.  baking soda, juice of 2 oranges & aloe vera.  take every day.........dr. rifve (?), woman & her info vanished.  mictoscope, could be this dr I talked about earlier here........bloodroot.......chaga, shitake mitake muchrooms.......vitamin d 2-5000 units a day, 30-45 a da7 in a bathing suit plus bioflavanoids & vitamin c.......cruciferous every day...incl mustardd.....(abby says it is estrogenic as is rasberries, flaxseed cottage cheese(?)  from a dr joanna budwid (german).....hemp iol......these in the fiber talk:  plu blueberries & artichoke some of this fiber stuff every day.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2012

    What?  I can't follow this post at all.

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