Alternative Treatment

ananda8

When I am in pain I take Bromelain.  It is a strong anti inflammatory.  Do not take it if you are on blood thinners.  Along with reducing pain and inflammation, it has some anti cancer affects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20848558

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19700238

Your doctor should be able to print out the complete reports.  The first link is a bit deep for me at least.  I always check with my oncologist before taking any supplements.  My onc is up on the latest research and so far has agreed with my choices.

abigail48

best for pain in my estimation:  ice.  icecubes in a ziplock bag. aply where needed as long as you can do it.

dogsandjogs

Does anyone know what anti-inflammatory is ok with blood thinners? I'm having plantar fasciitis and need something as it hurts to walk---

ananda8

Do not use an anti-inflammatory if you are on blood thinners unless you check with the doctor who prescribed the blood thinner.  Bromelain should never be used by someone on blood thinners. 

Lily55

Hi I hope this is not too late - i am Stage 3A invasive lobular, 7 out of 14 nodes affected, grade 2 to 3, awaiting review to check, ER and PR positive 95% and 90%.....Her negative....

Chemo was strongly recommended for me but I have so far refused this and doubt I will do it as only have 75% normal kidney function and thus it is more risky, plus I believe in killing cancer not all the cells in my body.......

If you are looking at alternatives goolge Ralph Moss and the moss Report, very interesting reading, costs money to get but a heck of a lot of research in there.   I am most likely going to do sono photodynamic therapy

Would like to keep in touch with anyone on here not following the standard path....... who is interested please?

dogsandjogs

I will ask my local pharmacist as the doctor is impossible to get a hold of.  There must be a product  which helps with inflammation that people taking blood thinners can use.

Thanks!

abigail48

hi lily

gary's been talking about our trouble again:  mentioned a lot of things familiar to me & 2 not, can't remember the 2nd to last, but the last I wrote down:  andro-graphelite.  hav'e googled it yet.

he also talked a lot about broccoli sprouts, very strong he says, we should all be having them daily on a salad.

abigail48

& it's not amdro:  an insecticide. wikki has nothing, probably a way wrong spelling?

ananda8

dogsandjogs,

Believe me I have looked.  My DH has pain and inflammation and is also on plavix.  All anti-inflammatories that I have found cause blood thinning.  His doctor said that he can take Omega3 because the benefits outweigh the risk and he takes one aspirin a day along with plavix but that's it.

luv_gardening

Lily55, My diagnosis was similar to yours, see my signature, and I dropped out of chemo after 2 rounds, much to everyone's disapproval.  My decision was based on reviews of many studies which concluded that hormonal treatment alone for those of us with lobular only had similar results to chemo plus hormonal.  If yours is grade 3 then that would be different as grade 3 tumours are generally highly responsive to chemo.  Also I saw many studies showing that primary lobular tumours rarely have a good response to neoadjuvant chemo, that is, chemo given before surgery.  Of course there are exceptions to that and neoadjuvant chemo at least shrinks inoperable tumours and lets women see if the chemo is doing any good, whereas when given after surgery we have no feedback.  I can't find the study link now but will post it for you when I find it.

I'm coming up to my 3rd anniversary since my surgery and am still fine, though of course that's no indication of how anyone else will be at 3 years after dropping out of chemo.    Best wishes for your treatment decisions and outcomes.

Kaara

abigail:  We do have our broccoli sprouts daily on our salads.  I am fortunate to be able to buy them at our local grocery and they're so fresh...grown in the next town to us!

abigail48

gary says 6 days old the best, & growing them yourself, but of course you have to do it.

a lifetime, age 9? on of asprin use, I stopped 5 years ago.  no more, or less by far indigestion, loved the way it lowered temperature in migraine, but am very glad I no longer use it.  green tea & now mega green tea works well on all fronts.  someone, years ago, said carrott juice was a painkiller.....anti inflamatory??

rgiuff

Try curcumin capsules, or as I do, the tumeric powder  Here is a link which talks about it:

Tumericinfo.com 

ananda8

Just looked up carrot juice on PubMed.  I love that site.  Here is a link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22292424

Here is what the abstract said.

Effects of a carrot juice intervention on plasma carotenoids, oxidative stress, and inflammation in overweight breast cancer survivors.

Butalla AC, Crane TE, Patil B, Wertheim BC, Thompson P, Thomson CA.

Source

Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA.

Abstract

Evidence suggests that higher plasma carotenoid concentrations are protective in relation to breast cancer recurrence. This simple randomized carrot juice intervention study was designed to test the hypothesis that daily intake of 8 ounces of fresh BetaSweet (anthocyanin-rich) or Balero orange carrot juice would increase plasma total carotenoid concentrations to levels previously shown to be associated with reduced breast cancer recurrence. It was hypothesized that regular carrot juice intake would be associated with reductions in oxidative stress (8-iso-PGF2α) and inflammation (thromboxane B2, prostaglandin E2 metabolites, and hsC-reactive protein). Sixty-nine overweight breast cancer survivors consumed fresh carrot juice made from study-provided carrots for 3 wk. Total plasma carotenoids increased by 1.65 and 1.38 umol/L for the BetaSweet and Balero carrot juice, respectively. Rise in total plasma carotenoids for the overall sample was inversely associated with 8-iso-PGFα (OR: 0.13; 95% CI: 0.20 to 0.75; no differences were shown by carrot variety. These results suggest daily intake of fresh carrot juice is a simple and effective approach to increasing plasma total carotenoids and in turn reducing oxidative stress, but not inflammatory markers, in women previously treated for breast cancer.

luv_gardening

Carrot Juice!!! Oh what fun. A great find Notself.

candygurl

Lily55, with only having 75% normal kidney function, I can certainly understand why you'd say no to chemo. Kidney damage results if enough cells are killed with chemo. Therefore, you'd just be trading one serious medical condition for another.

I've read that  hydrating the body with fluids, strict diet modifications, low dose chemo and bicarbonate (aluminum-free baking soda) all help to heal the body and reduce the risk of kidney damage while treating cancer in a targeted fashion.  See the links below.

I have never heard of sono photodynamic therapy. Could you explain what it?

Daily dose of baking soda could stop kidney patients needing dialysis
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1200287/Daily-dose-baking-soda-stop-kidney-patients-needing-dialysis.html#ixzz1zAn0A26Q

Topic: News on Baking Soda & Cancer                           community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic/785203

Dr. Walter Lemmo discusses the history and application of insulin potentiated therapy in cancer                                                                                                                                                                    Watch  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHrKcdSRjFo%20

Treat cancer with the natural remedies in Insulin Potentiated Therapy                                                                                                                                                          Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033421_insulin_potentiation_therapy_cancer.html#ixzz1zAqs5IIi

Kidney failure due to cancer & chemotherapy       

http://www.livestrong.com/article/142238-kidney-failure-due-cancer-chemotherapy/#ixzz1zApbGCiM

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Dogsandjogs, the best natural anti-inflammatory is veggie juices-carrots, leafy greens, ginger and herbs.  Try juicing at least 500ml of juice EVERYDAY.  That is real medicine.  Try staying away from acidic foods like pasteurized dairy, caffeine, too many cooked foods etc.  They contribute to pain, inflammation, acidosis, cell stagnation etc.  BTW purple carrots are 28  times more powerful than orange carrots.

abigail48

oooh purple carrote.  need to tell freshtown that.  gary says carrotts are too sweet to juice, but I learned years ago they contain inulin, an isulin analog & do do not raise blood sugar

dogsandjogs

Zuvart: Thank so much. I do have a juicer, but got out of the daily habit. Will have to start again. I quit eating dairy products about 7 months ago and can't have caffeine due to atrial fibrillation.

I talked to a pharmacist. She also said no drugs for inflammation if you take blood thinners. She suggested soaking my foot in epsom salts.

abigail48

how did you stop eating dairy?  I try to eat no sugar or salt, but dairy has both & keeps me from craving them (some)

Anonymous

Abigail, you're a wealth of info ! carrots contain inulin, therefore sugar is not an issue.  Brilliant.  Many many 'cancer people' are afraid of juicing carrots for that reason.  How about beets ?

dogsandjogs

Well, I stopped because I became a vegan. Never did like meat or chicken that much so it hasn't been too difficult. I do miss fish and cheese though.  Drink almond milk which tastes much better than cows' milk. 

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the sugar in fruits is bad for you. How can it be when fruits are "natural"?  So I don't limit fruits and try to eat lots of vegs.  But --I do have a sweet tooth and eat cookies from time to time.

abigail48

gary has said that beets make strong blood.  I guess that's good, but I wonder about the transport of blood to the site, not good if that gets strong????? I do juice beets from time to time though, they're not that sweet when raw.  as for inulin I don't know if that's true.  I just report what I've heard, you-all, joy etc do the difficult work

Anonymous

Abi, hum..... re inulin:

A naturally occurring, indigestible and non-absorbable oligosaccharide produced by certain plants with prebiotic and potential anticancer activity. Inulin stimulates the growth of beneficial bacteria in the colon, including Bifidobacteria and Lactobacilli, thereby modulating the composition of microflora. This creates an environment that protects against pathogens, toxins and carcinogens, which can cause inflammation and cancer. In addition, fermentation of inulin leads to an increase in short-chain fatty acids and lactic acid production, thereby reducing colonic pH, which may further control pathogenic bacteria growth and may contribute to inulin's cancer protective properties.

Please note the source: http://www.cancer.gov/drugdictionary?cdrid=486745 

Possible adjuvant cancer therapy by two prebiotics--inulin or oligofructose

....reduced the incidence of mammary tumors..... potentiated the effects of radiotherapy on solid form of TLT tumors to a statistically very high level...."

Influence of inulin and oligofructose on breast cancer and tumor growth 

The growth of both tumor lines was significantly inhibited by supplementing the diet with nondigestible carbohydrates. Such nontoxic dietary treatment appears to be easy and risk free for patients, applicable as an adjuvant factor in the classical protocols of human cancer therapy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10395627

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15796175

Plants that contain high concentrations of inulin include:

Agave (Agave spp.)
Banana
Burdock (Arctium lappa)
Camas (Camassia spp.)
Chicory (Cichorium intybus)
Coneflower (Echinacea spp.)
Costus Saussurea lappa
Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale)
Elecampane (Inula helenium)
Garlic (Allium sativum)
Jerusalem artichoke (Helianthus tuberosus)
Jicama (Pachyrhizus erosus)
Leopard's-bane (Arnica montana)
Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris)
Onion (Allium cepa)
Wild yam (Dioscorea spp.)
Yacón (Smallanthus sonchifolius spp.)

Thanks for the lead !

abigail48

as always appreciate your taking the lead & running with it

Anonymous

Ha, ha, ha, luv u Abi 

abigail48

I eat yams a lot.  when I researched this stuff awhile ago I read that yams & parsnips arn't estrogenic.  seemed counterintuitive about yams. I think of the african princesses who ate a lot of them to be beautifully fat.  that indicated estrogen to me, but perhaps not,

Anonymous

Are you sending me on a safari now... Lol 

Yams....same as sweet potatoes ? 

luv_gardening

I'm really busy at the moment, not much computer time, but had to stop and say what wonderful info I'm reading here.  Zuvart, Maud, Abigail, all whetting my appetite for more investigations.  I bought some purple carrot seeds last year but misplaced them.  I hope they're still viable when I find them.  Lots of colour on the plate means lots of different flavonoids, nutrients, enzymes and other cancer fighting goodies going to work in our bodies.  Some are yet to be discovered so variety and colour in natural foods are the key factors for me.

Anonymous

I learn something new every day on here 

Sweet Potato and Yam Differences 

http://homecooking.about.com/od/howtocookvegetables/a/sweetpotatodiff.htm

gets complicated ...... Current popular sweet potato varieties include Goldrush, Georgia Red, Centennial, Puerto Rico, New Jersey, and Velvet. 

Sweet Potato Pie http://video.about.com/kosherfood/Kosher-Sweet-Potato-Pie.htm

yum 

ananda8

All carbohydrates are converted into sugar.  The body runs on sugar.  The differences between carbohydrates and simple table sugar is explained pretty clearly in this link.  http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/edible-innovations/food2.htm

You may have heard that eating complex carbohydrates is a good thing, and that eating sugar is a bad thing. You may even have felt this in your own body. The following quote from The Yale Guide to Children's Nutrition explains why:

      If complex carbohydrates are broken down to monosaccharides in the intestines before they are absorbed into the bloodstream, why are they better than refined sugar or other di- or mono-saccharides? To a great extent it has to do with the processes of digestion and absorption. Simple sugars require little digestion, and when a child eats a sweet food, such as a candy bar or a can of soda, the glucose level of the blood rises rapidly. In response, the pancreas secretes a large amount of insulin to keep blood glucose levels from rising too high. This large insulin response in turn tends to make the blood sugar fall to levels that are too low 3 to 5 hours after the candy bar or can of soda has been consumed. This tendency of blood glucose levels to fall may then lead to an adrenaline surge, which in turn can cause nervousness and irritability... The same roller-coaster ride of glucose and hormone levels is not experienced after eating complex carbohydrates or after eating a balanced meal because the digestion and absorption processes are much slower.   

If you think about it, this is incredibly interesting because it shows that the foods you eat and the way you eat them can affect your mood and your temperament. Foods do that by affecting the levels of different hormones in your bloodstream over time.