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I will have to ask my cardio NP about fasting since I have atrial fibrillation and am also on a blood thinner.  So might not be able to.

I do juice several times a week and have a protein drink daily. The protein drink gives me instant energy, but the juice doesn't.  A vegan friend of mine said it is usually the opposite LOL

Joy, I am very interested in the 2 carb-free days a week too. Right now I am a bit too thin, so I haven't tried it yet.

What sorts of things do you eat on those 2 days? As far as I can understand it should be no carb and under 600 calories, and thta does sound a bit challenging. I am thinking lots of raw veggies basically.

Interesting. I had only come across the 600-calorie, 2 days a week study.

However, I do not find it difficult to get enough fibre on a low-carb diet.

Yesterday for example, we had lunch out at a noodle shop. Since noodles are a bad idea, I had their peking duck. It had duck, raw scallion, cucumber and carrot. I did eat the rice pancakes that came with it, but that is not a lot of starch. But the lunch was low on veggies.

In the afternoon, I had no-fat Greek yogurt topped with berries and walnuts and a teaspoon of maple syrup.

In the evening we were out again. I had a large mixed salad with greens, cabbage, carrot etc. Cooked green beans with tomato. Sauteed green peppers with a little feta and grilled mushrooms. No bread or other starch.

In general, to feel full and well with reduced carbs, I find that I need to eat boatloads of veggies. Now that it is summer, I plan to make a salad for dinner most nights. 

Yes, but what I am getting at is that cutting carbs does not necessarily mean that you have to load up on the proteins instead. You can load up on lettuce instead basically.

Thanks for the list, that is very useful. 

It takes a bit of adjusting, but If I do include meat, for example, I will use it more as a flavoring than as a main event.



Try sauteeing garlic and mushrooms, then add either red cabbage or broccoli or green beans, a tiny bit of liquid a lid and let cook till tender. You can eat a big pile of that along with a small piece of sausage or other meat.

I could never get on with low carb diets due to the problem mentioned above plus I ended up eating too much protein to satisfy my need to eat so I didn't lose weight.  Then since I rarely eat meat it gets pretty boring.  The beauty of the 2 day intermittent diet is I can get other nutrients, fruit and fibre on the other 5 days, and any parties, meals out etc can be fitted in.  I imagine it would be good for maintaining weight loss if it works.

The thing is, I'm very active jogging/power-walking about 3 1/2 hours a day. So I really need the carbs for energy. And since I'm a vegan I don't eat cheese, fish or meat. I do cheat a little by eating free-range eggs though. But in order to lose weight I just have to add more veggies.  And at my last blood test (for coumadin levels) my blood was too thick (no doubt because of all the greens) so we have to add more Coumadin to my schedule. 

Any ideas?  I really can't function normally without at least a few slices of bread, and rice, or potatoes or beans. 

OK, carry on then



It would seem to me that low-carb would be easy for a vegan.

joy:  why take a comercial oroduct for binding?  gary has a fiber powder, but I've always thought such no food value stuff was no good.  for binding, (loosening) use a bit of ground cinnemon, some blueberries, an aple(for the pectin)

I'm a prune or senna tea girl. Caryn

gary's talking about the healing power of coconut water. 

last week he spoke about mamograms.  said thermal imaging was a good alternative, to find if there was a mass & what kind it was, then a biopsy if naecesary to find out if it was malignant.  he said the radiation used for mamograms is 6 times more powerful than they say.      I'm just your humble reporter, I wouldn't do a lot of what he reccommends, cocnut water for sure though, I've also been eating tomatillos, never had any before.  wow, tasty, very sour,  YAY FRESHTOWN

Thanks for all the input re output.   Over the decades I've tried so many things, tons of water, exercise, lots of raw veggies etc.  What works for one person is useless for another.  When I went for a colonoscopy the bowel specialist could only come up with ideas I'd tried and rejected, or his favourite medication which is still sitting in the pantry years later.  But I seem to be doing well with plenty of beans and some fruits.  Other things that work can backfire, so to speak...  LOL.. Got the giggles now. 

My mum used to cook rhubarb, but that actually has one of the laxative ingredients in it so not good to overdo.

I had my first thermography in March of this year...quite a difference from a mammogram and no radiation.  Mine was all clear, so that was comforting.

I eat legumes, but all beans, seeds and nuts are phytoestrogenic.  

The highest amounts are in soy, flaxseeds and sesame seeds, everything else seems mild to me and barely worth worrying about, especially if eaten occasionally.

Bear in mind that if we eat a few drops of soy or a few sesame seeds on our bread that will be a negligible amount.

Here's one list I have on file but it doesn't mention beans other than green and soy. 

Total phytoestrogen content presented below is the sum of isoflavones (genistein, daidzein, glycitein, formononetin), lignans (secoisolariciresinol, matairesinol, pinoresinol, lariciresinol), and coumestan (coumestrol).

 
Phytoestrogen food sources Phytoestrogen content (µg/100g)
Flax seed 379380
Soy beans 103920
Tofu 27150.1
Soy yogurt 10275
Sesame seed 8008.1
Flax bread 7540
Multigrain bread 4798.7
Soy milk 2957.2
Hummus 993
Garlic 603.6
Mung bean sprouts 495.1
Dried apricots 444.5
Alfalfa sprouts 441.4
Dried dates 329.5
Sunflower seed 216
Chestnuts 210.2
Olive oil 180.7
Almonds 131.1
Green bean 105.8
Peanuts 34.5
Onion 32
Blueberry 17.5
Corn 9
Coffee, regular 6.3
Watermelon 2.9
Milk, cow 1.2

Other sources of Phytoestrogen
In addition to these phytoestrogen foods there are a number of phytoestrogenic herbs which are also known for their high phytoestrogen content. Such herbs include:
• Don quai
• Red clover
• Ginseng
• Soy
• Ginkgo biloba
• Black cohosh

One cup of soy beans is about 200g which would contain over 200,000ug.
A clove of garlic would weigh a fraction of 100g, say 100ug.
A cup of green beans would weigh about 100g so 106ug is negligible.

Thanks Abigail for bringing up the estrogenic concerns. Now here's a perfect example of how we look after our own and don't need detractors interfering.

Dogs and Jogs, only the top few are a problem, the rest are negligible in the amounts we eat. You'd need to eat plates of garlic or beans for the phytoestrogens to count at all.