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GmaFoley
GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
edited June 2014 in Stage I Breast Cancer

Hi Ladies, Its been 13 months since this all started - this is what I am regretting and wondering about:

i had a lumpectomy and then had to have a second surgery to clear margin.. . Onc said because of my low oncotype score I didn't need Chemo but needed Radiation... I then had 28 high dose treatments of radiation to my breast and lymph nodes (specifics in my signature). Since that time I have had alot of nerve pain which then caused me to be on meds. Every time I exercise, even walking my breast hurts.. The pain management doc has been wonderful but sometimes I wonder if I should have just had my DD taken off and not settle for just lumpectomy... Many ladies breeze through this.. my sister had no problem, but my breast is just so painful.  I just don't know if I should be in so much pain that I still can't get near a bra.. Any insite or encouragement would be greatly appreciated. I just want to get on with my life and beable to walk and lose a little weight (since I started the gabapentin, I have gain 20 lbs)Undecided

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited May 2012

    So sorry you are having so much pain over a year later. What did the doctor say? Does he know what is causing it?  Is there some kind of therapy you could get? Maybe you should get a second opinion? Wish I could help-----

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited May 2012

    So sorry you are having pain.  It's a crap shoot.  If you wander over to the active topics section you will find ladies who are still having pain after an mx, and people who are struggling with reconstruction issues.  It is so unfair, but pain and long term se's seem to strike some of our numbers reguardless of what course of treatment is selected.  Sending you healing thoughts. (((hug)))

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited May 2012

    I am 2 years out, and still am unable to wear a regular type bra. I always wear a sports bra. In my case the pain is caused by lymphoma from the surgery. I can't say about you as the other poster said have you spoken to the BS or the Rad's Dr.

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited May 2012

    Dogs... the oncs I have just blew it off as "it will get better" pat pat; my primary got concerned and thought I had a mood disorder and tried to put me on antipsychotic drugs... At that point I put my foot down and ask to see a pain management doc... He is awesome, but he can only do so much... He explained that I am dealing with nerve damage and it hurts while it heals... He has given me creams to put on 3x/day for pain and inflammation.. My stomach is too tender to injest anti inflammatories. He told me it could take at least 2 years to heal.  I have no insurance so many docs won't see me. I live in a smaller town and the next big town is 1.5 hours away.. Every doc I have seen just says it will take awhile, be patient...It just makes me wonder if I would have taken the breast off if I would have been in so much pain for so long..

    Babbling I'm tired and cranky today.. Didn't sleep well last night and have to get up at 4 am to do my computer job... Praise God, I have a job and so does my hubby... We actually made enough to refi our home.   Just not used to being a grandma and have to work 46 hours a week to make ends meet.  Guess I am whining... Sorry, many of you ladies have it way worse than me and I should be greatful for what I have... 

  • Laura5133388
    Laura5133388 Member Posts: 577
    edited May 2012

    GmaFoley, I had a lumpectomy, chemo, then radiation. You should not be experiencing all of this pain. What do your RO and MO say about it?

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited May 2012

    Gosh, so sorry to hear this. I didn't know there was such a thing as nerve pain after a mastectomy! All I had was a tingling feeling and a sensation that ants were crawling under the skin. No pain and those things didn't last long.  Hope you can find some relief.  Have you posted on the Internet asking about this? I did that after having a severe pain in my knee. I got several replies.  Best of luck to you!

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited May 2012

    GmaFoley: Not to worry. I had pretty bad post mastectomy pain syndrome and was terribly depressed that I would have to live the rest of my life with this pain. I'm now 15 months out and the pain has significantly been reduced. I read a man say that nerve pain from the removal of his lung took THREE years to heal. The radiation is likely the culprit here (where mine was surgery). You might want to ask your doctor about tricuclic antidepressants, particularly nortriptyline. At low doses, it really does work for nerve pain and also helps you sleep. I went the gambit and found ativan worked the best but the nortriptyline was awesome except I got one of the rare side effects so back to ativan, which I slowly weaned off. I am on a low dose citalopram (SSRI antidepressant) also known to help pain. You might ask about adhiesions too...I also found A535 or Ben Gay of all things, was helpful but there's a specific OTC cream for nerve pain too but it's expensive and Ben Gay worked better. Apparently so does capasain cream (A535 makes a cheap version of it compared to having the pharmacist make it). I bought those really fluffy slipper socks?...they are super soft and use them in my bra...it helped. There's a tea called Tension Tamer that really helps with sleeping too and muscle relaxing (remember tense muscles can make pain worse, especially chest muscles....I know about this!) Finally, sometimes plastic surgeons help; here in Canada, after breast cancer, plastic surgery is free and can help reduce breast pain from scarring/adhesions/nerve bundles etc. Losing weight will help because it puts less strain on the breast tissue and I found my walking eventually helped, maybe because of the better blood flow. I also take a B-complex high dose because B vitamins help with nerves so figure it would help with healing them too. In short, hang in there....sometimes the pain starts going away in a rather sudden fashion! I could never mow the lawn, weed, shovel dirt even a month ago...now I can!!!!

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited May 2012

    That's tricyclic antidepressants btw!

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2012

    Sorry you're going through this. Does the rads doc give an estimate of how long it should take to heal? FWIW, when I finished rads, my RO said that I might feel some symptoms as the nerves healed but a year seems like a long time. Like someone else suggested, I'd try to get a second opinion from another, unrelatd RO. 

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2012

    I've been thinking about this some more. Pain isn't fun, esp. when it starts disrupting sleep. 

    I know this is different, but my understanding is that if oral surgery causes numbness or other nerve damage, they give it X months (3? 6? I can't remember) and if it hasn't improved, the patient gets referred to a DDS nerve specialist. Obviously, damage from surgery is probably pretty different than rads (and different bodies parts are different), but it makes me wonder how nerves actually heal. If it was me, I'd make an appt. with my RO and come with my questions written down. (when I've tried this technique it definitely signals that I'm serious, so harder for them to pooh-pooh me. I even had one doc answer a couple questions, and then ask to see the list) My questions would be something like this:

    --if the nerves are healing, should the pain symptoms be improving or at least changing? 

    --what can we do to speed up the healing? Eat extra protein? Take Vit B, etc? Special exercises???

    --how many of your patients (what percentage?) experience nerve damage this long after rads? If they were still in pain one year later, when did their pain go away? Any idea why some patients have problems and others don't?

     --is there a point where we might consider that these nerve symptoms are not going to heal on their own? i.e. after a certain amount of time or certain set of symptoms. What are they? What do we do then?

    --are there other doctors who are experts on this?  Can you refer me?

     OK, this list is probably overkill for normal people, but if it was me I'd be PO'd and I'd want answers.

    I hate to hear that you've been in pain for so long AND that your docs are pooh-poohing you. You don't deserve that.  I heard some people say (above) that their pain did go away eventually so maybe that's the usual outcome. I'm impatient and I hate when docs blow me off.  Not sure if this is helpful but just some ideas. Good luck. Ongoing pain isn't any fun. 

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited May 2012

    Thank you Peggy and all the other ladies -

    Unfortunately, I am a question writer and  I have been to my RO many times. It is like they kick you out the door after Rads and tell you - you will be fine. But at my final appt I did give questions to my RO (Only ones in town btw).  He said, "it looks a little swollen - how about trying that cream the pain med doc gave you for your neck." I knew at that moment, he was done with me.. He also said, it must be the surgery because it was at my scar where the part of the pain was..  OH they did take a mammogram and said all that white was normal - it was just the scarring. (a third of my breast was white btw).

    After that, I went to my surgeon and he said everything looked fine and it would just take a while to heal - Again, I took in my questions.

    That is why I decided to go to the pain management doc.  My Pain Doc specializes in Spinal nerve pain and has told me if the nerves are going to heal, they could take up to 2 years, if it goes longer than that, then it is probably there for the duration...

    I do go to an ONC nutritionist that is helping me with nutrition but with the new nutritional guidelines  that came out 2 or 3 weeks ago, she gave me a food list to help but if any supplements are over your 100% daily requirement, they have found it helps feed the cancer instead of stopping it. So Extra supplements other than the ones I am on are a no no.

    I have done everything I know and as long as I use the creams and gabapentin it is livable.. I started walking today - I am hoping if I keep that up it will raise my endorphin level which (the nutritionist says) will help the pain..

    I appreciate all you ladies for helping me think this through... I am just drained and need to breathe...Please stay in touch with me.  I just need some extra hugs right now.. Thank you again. 

  • brazos58
    brazos58 Member Posts: 261
    edited May 2012

    GmaFoley just read your post and all the suggestions of others. The only thing jumping out at me is to ask you if you have been evaluated by a LymphEdema Therapist? There are forms of lymphedema that affect your chest/ breast/ armpits/ and back / arms/ hands that can be pain pain painful! You may have it and not even be aware of it....and likewise your Drs. may not be aware of it. ( And many Breast Surgeons/ RO/ Med Onc's are not current in Lymphedema)

    I can only suggest you ask your Drs. for a Lymphedema Physical Therapy Evaluation to rule this out.  And I would mostly trust that diagnosis to come from Lymphedema Therapist. or a very well versed Dr who treats LE and can diagnosis it.... Any one of your Team should just be able to write a Script for you w/o any problems.

    Stop by the Lymphedema Threads for more info. Radiation/ lumpectomy can cause LE. I would not consider a Post Mastectomy Pain Syndrome Diagnosis/ Evaluation complete without being worked up for Lymphedema.

    Healing healing takes so long after mastectomy....I am 2 years out and still working on it.

    Feel better!

    xo

    brazos

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited May 2012

    thanks Brazos.  I have the pain and minor swelling, no heat or any of the other symptoms of Lymphadema but will talk to the Pain Management doc when I see him next.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited June 2012

    'Zapping' pains are from your nerves growing back & can take a long, long time to resolve (like years)...... not that it will make you feel much better but it is normal, and I think the lingering pains would have been even worse if you would have had a mastectomy.

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