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  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012
  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    Another thing to consider: I realized when it came time to contact my references that I'd been out of touch for 1.5 to two years or more. I no longer live near any of them, so didn't tell them I had cancer (although I'm not averse to telling them now). I'm trying to decide whether or not to tell them that the "no contact" gap is due in part to:

    - spending more time researching and seeking help for cancer side effects than finding work

    - spending time in treatment for cancer side effects 

    - focusing more on my health than finding a job

    - after being unemployed for a year: waiting and waiting to contact them until I finally had a job and had something to tell them about*

    I did send an email two days ago (on a Thursday) asking my three references if it's OK to continue listing them as references. I told them about the new job and that they may be contacted by my prospective employer. I also sent them a link to some recent work. I haven't heard back from them. That's normal w/ busy people. This weekend I'll try to call them.

    * Why is there shame in being unemployed? Note to self: Get over it! 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    11BC yes it's crazy. I was just interviewed for a 3 month temp (possibly to perm) yesterday.

    Seemed to go well but there are 2 others he will be interviewing on Tuesday. The other applicants refused to come to loop area in Chicago because of NATO. Hope that scores me points for not having a problem with it. Initially the hiring manager didn't want to interview me because he thought I was overqualified… and I'm not.

    BTW I do not voluntarily tell them I  had cancer. I say there was a family health issue. I don't want employers worrying that their insurance will go up etc. if I become their employee. In my line of work I can just say I'm freelancing. Even my recruiter doesn't know.

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    lago: Just like in that photo you posted earlier on this forum (the one w/ the crossed fingers), I have my fingers crossed for you. I hope you get the temp job -- or a job that you like even better. Good luck!

    As per whether or not to tell an employer (or references who are your former employers) that you've had cancer, I'm with you: I keep mum. There is a possibility that employers will think I'm a future health risk (which I possibly am).

    As per explaining or commenting about being unemployed: I also haven't directly told prospective employers that I've been unemployed and/or receiving unemployment benefits. I also work in a field where freelancing is common, so I just say I've been freelancing (which I have been, in part).

    Cést la vie.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    Bad news -- after 6 interviews they decided 'to go in another direction'.  Back to the drawing board.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    Sorry fitzdc these things to happen all the time. I find it rather rude that they wasted your time with 6 interviews and then not hire you because they can't decide what direction to go in. I mean if they are treating potential candidates like that what will it be like when you work for them? It might be a blessing.

    Granted it also could be their budget was cut for the position. That happens a lot too.

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited May 2012

    My situation is a little different and I just want to share.

    I just switched jobs recently.

    I wanted a fresh start, at my old job some people knew what I was going on and others didn't, but I always felt in the back of my mind that it was holding me back from a promotion I wanted. So I posted out and switched agencies (federal employee). I feel much better about this switch because I just wanted to move forward and advance myself.

    So I shared all this to say I wouldn't disclose my Dx w/ my employer unless it would change my performance. And if you choose to share your situation be careful people my want to go light on you and after Tx you may want to get back into the swing of things. And they will still baby you and pass you by for opportunities because they feel they maybe troubling you or your not up to it yet.

    Hugs and smiles to all!

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    Thanks for input on whether or not to disclose our cancer diagnosis/recovery/side effects w/ current/future employers. I'm starting a training program this summer, which includes a job search aspect at summer's end.

    My challenge will be to see if I can go w/o my lymphedema compression sleeve during the day. I have what my doctors call "minor" lymphedema. It presents itself mainly in my fingers and thumb. I wear an all-in-one compression sleeve/glove during the day and presssure bandages at night. That keeps the lymphedema in check.

    When people ask me about the compression garment, I usually say I have a "circulation problem." But some know what it is and ask if I have "lymphedema." If I say yes to having lymphedema, that opens the door to a cancer discussion.

    Even though I'm cancer-free and it's almost four years after treatment, I'd rather not tell a new or prospective employer about cancer. Yet I may need to wear my sleeve to keep my hand from swelling. The edema is barely discernable. But when it happens, my hand sometimes becomes sore and uncomfortable. So, for that reason, there may be times where I need to wear the sleeve, even if I don't want to. 

    Any suggestions? Anyone w/ a similar experience? 

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    fitzdc: Any new job prospects? Good luck.

    It's Memorial Day weekend, but it feels like Labor Day in that I finally have work and have lots to do to get ready for a training program, which starts this week.

    We've been given about 40 hours of pre-work (unpaid) to get ready for summer training (stipend). Actual salaried work doesn't start until Autumn.

    I've been unemployed for so long that I've become lazy and disorganized. It's challenging to accelerate from 0 to 100 in a blink. But I'm glad to have found work and I wish you all the best.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    11BC: I've been out of work since mid April, and I've definitely become lazy and disorganized.

    I am meeting with two high level people about a new job later this week, and also find myself wanting to put limits on what I'm willing to do. How many days/week, if I could handle being up at night with "call", etc.

    I worked for a very nasty radiation oncologist for the last three years, but adored the patients and staff and it was just three days/week, and I was all done when I went home. Very reasonable work load, just the emotional trauma of working for an abusive boss.

    I work in health care, and it's a small world, so I'm okay with talking about my breast cancer and LE as limitations.

    I do want to work, it's just that I've put 25 years in to clinical work already, and I'm on the fading into semi-retirement mode. And all the interviews I've been on have had the attitude that I would work like I did 20 years ago, and I'm seriously not up for that. But I'm not up for staying home either.

    I still teach, but it's only one day a week.

    Worried about the interview: we have seminars all the time at the institution where I teach about women and negotiation, and I'm a terrible negotiator--if they ask, I don't want to dissapoint.

    Kira

    I hadn't seen your post about the sleeve: I have a tendency to hide my compression garments at work as well. But, I do think it's okay to say you have a circulation problem and leave it at that. Why are carpal tunnel braces okay. Recently on the LE boards, Shirley went back to work in her gauntlet and sleeve, and no one batted an eyelash. Plenty of people get LE without cancer: from accidents, surgery, trauma, infections, or genetics--they don't need to know what caused it.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    I don't wear my sleeve when interviewing but in my case I wouldn't go an entire day without. My LE MD says I don't have to wear it if there's a wedding or something. Also I'm now taking it off at 7pm so we'll see.

    Just because you have LE doesn't mean  you had breast cancer. My mom has (and her uncle had) in her legs for as long as I can remember. No surgery caused it. Could have been a pregnancy, not sure. Anyway I think just saying you have a circulation problem is enough… or tell them it's something like carpal tunnel. If someone says "I know someone who had breast cancer and wears one of those" you can say, "Yes very common issue with breast cancer survivors," and then drop it.

    No need to risk your arm for nosey people.

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    kira and lago: Thanks. Good advice. Now I have more ideas about what to say during the times I do wear my sleeve. 

    kira: my new job/training will be very time consuming. I wonder if I have the energy/drive that I did 20 years or even five years ago. I'm willing to give it a go just because I have been out of work for so long -- and the job/training I'm doing has more benefits than drawbacks.

    Best wishes. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012
    11BC I have been freelancing off and on while I still try to land full-time work. I was lacking in confidence at first but once I actually started working it all came back. Just like riding a bicycle. You never forget how. You're energy lever will be fine. Maybe tired the first few days mentally but trust me you are more rested than those that have been working regularly.
  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    Hi Everyone... I've been lurking, but am now introducing myself.  I too am in the midst of a job search (left my high stress job in January, after my boss told me ... you have breast cancer, how can you possibly handle this job?  we need to get HR involved in this....and it just went downhill from there).  Decided that preserving my sanity was worth sacrificing some income.  

    I took off a couple of months, and am now getting serious.  Have the resumes out there, contacting my network of friends and former colleagues.  Meeting with several recruiters... you guys know the drill.

    I have three promising leads that I'm pursuing this week.  Wish me luck.  Two in the phone screen stage tomorrow, an in-person interview on Friday.  I really need to work, money is just going to get tighter and tighter, and I have four kids facing college in the next ten years.....  

    Good luck to all of us!

    Lisa 

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2012

    Hi LisaMomOfFour. Welcome to the forum. Good luck w/ your job search and those promising leads.

    You left your high-stress job. 

    I'm about to start a high-stress training program, which will lead me to get a high-stress job. But I've been out of work and reliant on my husband and his health insurance. Soon he'll be out of work and relying on me and my health insurance. (His contract is ending). So I feel extra pressure to do well at this job.

    Am I crazy? Possibly. You all are helping me cope! And making me feel I can do it!

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    11BC -- you are not crazy.  Every job has stress.  Some are high stress by nature.   I left because the stress was due to a lunatic leader, honestly the worst human being I have encountered in a long time.  (TWO other people have sued him for hostile environment issues since I left -- that is four short months -- so kind of validates my impression that it would be futile to try to be a success in that environment).  

    I can take the stress when it is part of the job.... when's it's artifical and generated by unhealthy behavior in your work environment, that is driving people around you to talk to therapists and attorneys, it's time to go......

    Lisa 

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    Two phone screens today....   both have led to onsite interviews, one with the CIO.  Haven't been on any job interviews in a couple of years, time to get nervous, though relieved that there may be some income in my future......

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    Lisa you will do fine. If you've had 2 telephone interviews they know you have the qualifications and can do the job. Now they just want to see if you "fit" the organization. That's something you either do or don't so just be yourself… but no dancing on the desk.

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited June 2012

    Lisa, I agree w/ lago: You'll do fine. Be yourself. Finding out if you "fit" is very important.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited May 2012

    No new leads or interviews.  I repeat, but it is so annoying to go through multiple interviews and hear nothing from HR regarding the job.    Back to the one resume per day system and another temp agency (the last one was a disaster - i had to take a computer test, a 'how well do you know Microsoft' and I bungled it.  My problem is that I learned so many short-cuts that I can't remember how to do things the 'right' way.  On the Excel test, I got only a handful right ---- and my last job was as a finance/budget manager!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    fitz- The computer thing is what makes me the most nervous and it's so ridiculous anyway.  Whatever happened to on the job training?  They except you to know every little aspect of Microsoft, Excel, etc. when you may just use rudimentary parts of it to accomplish whatever they need done.  It's like saying you need to know how an engine works to drive a car.  But no one wants to train or give you the chance to learn.  I might have to break down and take one of those computer classes that certifies you.  Ugh!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    I remember taking a computer skills "test" for graphic designers. It was a multiple choice test and give one a PC. Most designers use MACs. Granted I aced the test because I use both but I could see how MAC users would find it challenging. Also testing by asking questions on how to use the applications is just plain dumb. Once you become more of an "expert" you don't think about what keys you are using… and tend not to use drop down menus.

    Kate it appears in this job market many are more interested in skills rather than people who can think & learn. They look at employees as disposable. Hire them to do what you need now. When things change hire a new person who can do that new thing. Then they complain that they can't find good people… but the good places still know the difference.

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited June 2012

    Thanks for the encouragement..... had my first face to face interview yesterday, and it went well.  Two more interviews with other organizations, Monday and Tuesday.  Figure one of them has to click.... I'm facing sixteen years worth of college tuition for my four kids over the next ten years.... I need a job!  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2012

    Good luck with all the interviews, Lisa!  

    Lago- I'm trying to figure out what the thought process is for hiring these days- especially in customer service.  I used to be manager in a home accessories store so when I saw a manager position posted for the oncology gift shop at one of our hospitals I couldn't even get called for an interview.  Ironically enough, got dx with LE several months later and had to go to that same shop to get my compression sleeves.  The merchandising and staging of the shop was horrendous, the staff were so unfriendly and the new manager was completely disorganized and unknowledgable.  I just kept thinking, "What was on her resume that I didn't have?"

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2012
    Kate she probably knew somebody. Many times  jobs are posted because they have to be by law but they might just bring in someone from another department or "know" somebody. If you mentioned that you were a breast cancer survivor that could work against your from a HR point of view. The health insurance might go up if they hire you.
  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited June 2012

    Whenever possible, I try to apply for jobs the old fashioned way: in person or over the phone. lago is correct: often jobs are posted to meet HR guidelines, even though the position will be filled from within.

    I find it's helpful to attend networking events in my field. None has lead me to a job, but all have helped me understand that I'm not the only one challenged to find work.

    Good luck all! 

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited June 2012

    LisaMomOfFour: Did you get a job?

    Others: Any job news?

    I did get into a job training program. The hours are grueling: M-F 8 a.m. to 8 p.m., with up to six hours of homework tagged on in addition, plus weekend workshops and more homework. I'm getting little sleep. And there are numerous hoops to jump through and standards to meet. This makes it easier for the organization to let go of low performers -- during training, before placing them in the actual jobs.

    "It's the economy," I'm told: "People are looking for any job, even ones they're not suited for. We have to be able to weed out the bad ones."

    So far I'm growing roots and sending up shoots.

    Best luck and wishes to all of us! 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2012

    She starts Monday! Yah LMO4!

    I'm still looking. Been networking a bit. May have some freelance opportunities. I've also started volunteering for ACS.

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited July 2012

    Thanks for asking... yes I got pretty lucky.....  have a new job I am excited about and I start Monday.  My boss is someone I worked with at two different companies dating back to the late nineties....  I know him and many members of his team, so it should be a fairly comfortable place to get settled into.   Now I just have to figure out how to juggle the kids' schedules and my work life, and not let the house totally fall apart!  

    Good luck to everyone job hunting...  so whimsical out there.  I had a long dry spell before landing three interviews in one week.  

  • 11BC
    11BC Member Posts: 93
    edited July 2012

    LisaMomOfFour: Good job. I'm from a family of five kids. If you can raise four kids, manage a household, get through breast cancer and job search, then you can do anything.

    Like you: I also went through a dry spell and then had two job offers in a week, with two others pending.

    EVERYONE: If you're still searching for work -- freelance or part-time or full-time -- hang in there. Persevere. You're more than capable. Breast cancer teaches us we're adaptable and resilient. Both are qualities valued in the work world. Good luck!

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