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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Been celebrating my first day of computer at the new house.  On bco, off soon to do some research on transcendental meditation.  Also acupuncture for cancer. 

    Tonight am unpacking more of the office, paring down, organizing.  So will be post more later.  

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    madpeacock, my ND says that milk thistle is important for liver health, and liver health is important for getting rid of toxins and dead cancer cells. There is some milk thistle in my green powder that I use as part of my morning smoothie. My ND thinks the benefits outweigh the risks.

  • madpeacock
    madpeacock Member Posts: 369
    edited May 2012

    Thanks for the help everyone. I'll look for a high quality version. 

  • Luna5
    Luna5 Member Posts: 738
    edited May 2012

    Does anyone know how to use this new breastcancer.org system?  Why did they change it?  What happened to "My Favorite Members" and all my posts and messages?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    seriously, as bad as facebook which I never visit anymore.  Was lost everytime I turned around.  WHERE ARE MY latest posts?  and all my activity?  Perhaps it was too cumbersome to carry that load for everyone, that would be a lot of gigabytes.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited May 2012

    Totally not digging this new format. It's difficult to navigate, and was hoping I'd get used to the visibility (or lack thereof), but doesn't seem to be happening....

  • FLwarrior
    FLwarrior Member Posts: 977
    edited November 2012

    I don't like this new format either.  I think a lot of us will decide it is time to move on...

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Essa, to find your latest activity just go to the Dashboard and scroll down for all the usual information.

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2012

    I've read most of the posts on this thread, and plan to stop back more often. I've got surgery coming up on the 21st, right UMX without reconstruction, no rads and most likely no chemo. Hormone therapy still on the table.

    I did find an integrative doctor on my health plan, and she will be my new PCP. I like her. I'm getting tested for thryroid and hormone levels, first off. I think she will help me with those, though I need to go to a gyno for the female issues. A big thank you to these boards, never would have known there were doctors like these.

    And last week, I found a used Healthmate infrared sauna on Craigslist, and we got it set up over the weekend. Big, big splurge, but it was my birthday! Last night I used it for 20 minutes at 115 degrees and slept like a baby. And today my nagging Fibro type pains are much better. Reallly hope I can keep using it after surgery. I was seeing a homeopathic doctor about 10 years ago for chemical sensitivies and she kept urging me to get one. Didn't do it because of the expense, wish I had listened.

    This new format is pretty different. Not getting used to it yet. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Welcome Diana ! sounds like you're managing very well Wink Always good to get feedback like yours eg. the infrared sauna, glad it works so well. Much more precious info on the Natural Girls huge thread 

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/79/topic/730113?page=1

    Essa, where are you ?? we're all missing you !!

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    Nice Diana!!! I look forward to reading more about the benefits of your new sauna.

    Charlene

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    i have  question about  water.

    For  6 months im drinking destilled water.

    IS that water  also accidic ?If yes, what i can add to that water to make it oposit?

    Before for years i was using  Brita filther, its a german standart i gues, fits good for dutch tap water. But then in USA i learn how to drink  destiled water and  now im continuing with that.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Diana - how many of us will fit into that sauna of yours?  Best to you during surgery.

    Water - don't know much but know this, healer who has me on detox and cancer killing plan... she said thatt in 30 yrs she has not put anyone on distilled water except 4 people, me included.  So I assume it is not the best choice.   When I can trust my water, I will use filtered.  I switch off to natural spring water too, and sometimes just use my well water.  If you add lemon squeezed to water it is from acidic to more alkaline for body, better.  

    Maud - I am here now, have some time each day.  Trying to get back to work but my brain does not do it so much anymore.  

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2012

    Well, the sauna will fit 3, if we all sit up! Of course, I like to sprawl. I have to wear ear plugs while I'm in there because my cat sits outside the door and yells.

    Seriously, watch Craigslist. Healthmate is a good brand to get, so is Clearwave. I looked at the little portable tent style ones, but was worried about EMF's in those. I paid about 1/5 of retail for mine, and it hadn't been used much.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited May 2012

    There are no more EMF's in a portable sauna than in a stand up model, plus they are a lot cheaper. I also decided against the wooded ones because of any offgassing from the woods they are made of. They all tout that they make the best, but I do not want to breath in that air. I like the fact that my head is out in the portable one, and I can breath fresh air the whole time. I sit in my RELAX sauna almost every night. It is one of the best investments I ever made.

    As for the water, this is one thing I continue to research. If we use osmosis, we have to make sure we take supplemental minerals as those are removed. Also, some of them do not take out the fluoride, which is a terrible toxin. I have not been able to justify the ionic systems. They just do not seem credible. Everything that goes into our stomachs, enter an acidic environment. Stomach acids are what digests our food. In fact, people who have acid reflex, actually have low stomach acid. They are missing digestive enzymes. And some kinds of tumors grow better in alkali conditions, and some in acidic. Digestion is the key to our health.  I have been reading a lot about the distillation systems, and they seem to be practical. I am testing one this month. I am going to do a water analysis, then hook up the distiller and retest the water.  I will let you know what it says.

    I think it is more important to get the toxins out of the water, than to worry about alkali/acidic. After all, people drank from rivers for centuries. They did not die from drinking water, unless it was tainted.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited May 2012

    I bought a water distiller for Christmas and I love it.  It is amazing the junk that is left in the tank afterward.

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Is  destilled water acidic?

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    Distilled water is more alkaline than acidic.

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Thank you.

    Strange that my breast lump i  discovered  after 3 months living in USA and using destilled water  daily.Then  there must be another reasone for my cancer...

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Himalaya, it's said that a 1cm tumour has been growing for up to 10 years if it's grade 1 or 2.  The microscopic stage lasts many years before it becomes large enough to discover. So 3 months of alkaline water can't reverse an established cancer.  Or maybe it was larger and shrunk a little.

    In the cases of the cluster of men who developed BC after all staying on a USA defence force base, the window for the damage was only a year or two before they dispersed around the country, then 20 to 25 years later they were diagnosed. Hopefully someone is studying this intriguing cluster that could provide clues to the causes and course of BC.

    This shows that genetic damage happens decades earlier.  Whether that develops into cancer must depend on many factors.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Unbelievable coincidence. I've been thinking about the cluster of men with BC for a while as I'm writing a draft post about population studies and databases. I've been thinking about it ever since I heard about it more than 2 years ago. I just looked on the Clinical Trials and Research section of this forum and Deanna has posted a link about these men and the research implications.

    How a Bunch of Scrappy Marines Could Help Vanquish Breast Cancer
    Exposed to poisoned water at Camp Lejeune, these vets may hold the key to a scourge that kills some 40,000 American women-and a few hundred men-per year.

    There are now 77 men identified with BC who lived on the Marine base during that period from the 50's to 70's.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited May 2012

    Sad about the Marines. I hope they get to the bottom of it. No one is more at risk of disease than our military, who are used as guinea pigs all the time because they cannot say no. I wonder if they were exposed to high amounts of fluoride or chlorine in the water. These two toxins displace the iodine that is so essential to breast and thyroid health. I wonder if they had thyroid issues as well as most of us do?

    Joy-Glad you noted that cancer does not usually come on suddenly like that. Even high exposure to toxins, such as a nuclear meltdown do not happen that fast. Taking toxins out of water should in no way cause cancer unless the water was so toxic that no amount of filtering would get it all out. 

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Vivre, there were known carcinogens in the water.  Maybe they weren't known at first, but eventually it was known and not acted on.  Many different illnesses resulted but the Male BC stands out as it's rare.  They only found out by chance as they were scattered around.

    Beginning in the 1950s, for more than three decades, the worst of Lejeune's contamination intermingled with its water supply. An estimated 750,000 people regularly drank the water, bathed and swam in it, and inhaled its vapors. At Hadnot Point, where the 2nd Maintenance Battalion fixed tanks, jeeps, and other fleet vehicles, storage tanks quietly leaked more than a million gallons of gasoline, forming an underground plume more than 100 feet deep in places, and nearly as big as the National Mall. Through it all pumped Well No. 602, which provided water to thousands of people on any given day. In late 1984, when the military started routinely testing Lejeune's wells, No. 602 clocked in with 76 times the federal limit for benzene, a carcinogenic gasoline additive. Heavy-duty chlorinated solvents also flowed freely at Hadnot Point, notably perchloroethylene (PCE) and trichloroethylene (TCE)-a known human carcinogen that workers used to degrease machinery before dumping or burying the waste at a disposal site up the road.

    The PCE came from a dry cleaning business and got into the wells.  The articles explain it but there's 3 pages to read.  19 of the 77 have succumbed.  I believe there are some men on BCO from this cluster.

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited May 2012

    Joy I have heard about this and am amazed it went on so long before it was caught. We used to own a dry cleaners and I know how bad perc is for you. You now have to have the soil tested regularly around dry cleaning plants.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Read the entire article - thank you for posting this.

    Personally, I don't know what caused this cancer I have, but I do know that living by the neighbor's outside wood furnace was gasoline on my little cancer flame, it became aggressive.

    This makes me go back to my childhood because we were raised in th ecountry but very near the town's new sewer plant.  Then I think about how I used birth control for maybe 8 years off and on.  Then .....

    Man, to KNOW, like they do, where the factoring exposure was sourced.... I cannot imagine.  

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2012

    They are saying that there are at least 10 types of BC, right? I would imagine that there are at least that many causes. I do think chemical exposure causes a depressed immune system, in fact I know it caused my autoimmune problems. I don't know if that or the weight problems/pre diabetes resulting from the autoimmune illness caused my tumor. 

  • Mallory107
    Mallory107 Member Posts: 223
    edited May 2012

    I would rather be wondering if my cancer came from water than all of those cigarettes I smoked and drinks I enjoyed.  Not sure I will ever get over the guilt of this horribly self destructive behavior over more than 30 years that most likely caused my cancer.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    Mallory:  You can't change what has already happened, but you can change going forward.  Don't beat yourself up about something that happened in the past.  Just take positive steps into the future.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2012

    Mallory

    There are vegetarians who are avid exercisers that do yoga and try to eat 'clean'. They get BC too.  There isnt always a rhyme or reason to this. Some of it is really a crap shoot.

    There are also ppl. that drink to oblivion, live on sugar and beef, are couch potatoes and live to be 85 , disease free.

     Go figure.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    There were many different illness clusters from that water.  It seems that it's the combination of our own genetic weaknesses, injuries, habits etc and the toxin that decides where the toxins start the seeds of their damage.

    Purple, I agree with you. We can't protect ourselves form the unknown, only do the best we can without obsessing.  My siblings have lead unhealthy lives and though they haven't had cancer, they have many other conditions related to their diets and habits.

    My point was we can't look back at the stress from last year or our bad habits and assume they were the cause.   From these unfortunate men we can at least find out some similarities such as the time from exposure to diagnosis so that can guide us to look back and see what other toxins may have caused various conditions.

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