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  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    maud said she's not post here because of other posts.  I don't get it either but I seldom perceive dissing

  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    If I was not a stage IV, and had a history of cancer I think my preventive therapy of choice would be broccoli sprouts.  My brother in law actually set me up with a pretty impressive 'sprout' garden where I was harvesting sprouts daily for up to 5 days and then I would start again with organic seeds.  Right at the kitchen counter.  Sprouts contain a highly concentrated source of sulforaphane, a compound they identified in 1992  that helps mobilize the body's natural cancer-fighting resources and reduces risk of developing cancer.

    Here are some links. (John Hopkins even!)

    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press/1997/sept/970903.htm

    http://www.naturalnews.com/033888_broccoli_sprouts.html

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970919062654.htm

    During my 5 days of growing the sprouts, I was simultaneously doing research on Protocel and what to avoid.  I just couldn't go through with eating the sprouts for fear they would interfere with my chosen alternative therapy (Protocel)  Since the sprouts would be more of closing the barn door after the horse is gone and I need to kill the existing cancer first, not just prevent new cancer from growing, (they're also a lot higher in Vit C concentrations) I had to say no to sprouts (for now)

    If you want to do sprouts, you can easily make your own instead of buying the 'pills' they sell.  Sprouts are freshest and in the best form to eat (they taste like radishes) if you eat them after 3 days.  You can't get that fresh from an herbal supplement. 

    When I'm cancer free from my current regimen, I will have the sprouts to fall back on to continue on the road of prevention. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Kat,

    Here is a video on how broccoli is being used. Amazing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIXmiW84Ubw

  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Lucy!  I'm sending that link to my Brother in law!

    Kat

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    I buy the broccoli sprouts at the grocery and spread them on all of our salads and put them in wraps.  They are delicious.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    I put broccoli sprouts in my morning smoothie and my veggie wrap at lunch.  They are delicious.  (Ok, maybe not so much in the smoothie, but I put other yummy stuff in there to mask the taste!)

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    I was kind of hoping I would get the counter top sprout set from my brother for my birthday, but that didn't happen. I may have to buy it for myself.

    I eat broccoli practically every day now. It is in all my salads I take to work. Today I didn't have anything planned to eat and got a late start so I threw some onions, carrots, and broccoli in my steamer and voila, dinner.

  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    Sprout Start Up

    Here's a pic of the sprout start up my Brother in law made. You just get sandwich containers with tops that seal around the base with four flaps.  Cut the center of the top plastic out.  Put the seeds in the container and pull a sleeve of nylons (he got the XL knee highs) and secure the top on. You start with one...fill the container with water and let the seeds soak for 12 hours.  Then dump the water and now just rinse the sprouts every 12 hours for 5 days.  After 5 days you have a huge plate full of sprouts that you put out on a papertowel to dry and then store in a ziplock baggie.  Pretty easy. 

    Kat

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Kat for the info Smile

    Got this kit ages and ages ago, but can't find broccoli seeds at the health food stores I frequent, many kinds of seeds, but no brocco Frown  Will have to special order and definitely add them to my menu

     

  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    Nice!  Way better than the 'Nutty Professor's' (that's what I call him :) 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
    This kit is way more expansive now unfortunately, but it's good because it allows the water to drain.  What concerns me most about sprouting is bacterial contamination, not good Frown
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Another 'miracle' herb !

    Activity of taspine isolated from Radix et Rhizoma Leonticis against estrogen-receptor-positive breast cancer

    these results suggested that taspine might serve as a promising candidate of ER antagonist in the treatment of oestrogen-independent breast cancer. 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21605638 

    Currently, the chemotherapy for breast cancer is underdeveloped. Here, we report a novel taspine derivative, HMQ1611, which has anticancer effects using in vitro and in vivo breast cancer models. 

    http://cancerpreventionresearch.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2012/04/23/1940-6207.CAPR-11-0575.abstract

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2012

    Maud, do you know what the common name of the plant is? It sounds very interesting.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012
  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Maud. You're a wealth of information. I wouldn't be surprised if Tamoxifen caused bursitis. (It causes everything else!)   Anyways I'm glad Bosweila is working for you. It's a pretty amazing anti-inflammatory. Looks like it can probabaly keep those with brain mets off steroids.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21287538?dopt=Citation 

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012
    Scientists Discover Natural Celery Ingredient Apigenin Can Halt Breast Cancer
    http://naturalsociety.com/scientists-discover-natural-celery-ingredient-apigenin-can-halt-breast-cancer/

    Anthony Gucciardi
    NaturalSociety
    May 22, 2012

    celeryinbowl Scientists Discover Natural Celery Ingredient Apigenin Can Halt Breast CancerThe answer to halting the growth of an aggressive form of a breast cancer may be found in your kitchen pantry or local farmers market, according to new scientific research. Putting millions of dollars worth of funding into the breast cancer drug industry to shame, researchers recently unveiled amazing new research that shows an ingredient known as apigenin - found in celery and other produce - is a cheap way of stopping breast cancer in its tracks. The sad part? The researchers even admit in their write-up that it will be virtually impossible to receive funding for further research because the pharmaceutical companies cannot profit from it!

    That's right, the scientists actually come out and say that due to the convenient and inexpensive nature of this cancer-fighting substance, big pharma cannot make any money off of it. As a result, the research will most likely be halted. Could it be any more apparent that these corporations are not interested in curing any disease? It is no wonder that cancer drugs have actually been found to kill patients more quickly than cancer itself, and are astronomically overpriced. In a telling statement, study co-author Salmon Hyder writes:

    "Since apigenin is easily extracted from plants, pharmaceutical companies don't stand to profit from the treatment; hence the industry won't put money into studying something you can grow in your garden."

    The treatment, of course, could be utilized by everyone from their own homes. The study found that apigenin worked even on deadly, fast-growing breast tumors through inhibiting cell growth and suppressing the expression of a gene that is known to be associated with cancer growth. In other words, it is a miracle super-ingredient. Furthermore, blood vessels that are known to fuel cancer cells were also found to shrink and receive restricted nutrient flow to the tumor - starving the ability to proliferate.

    All of these effects were from foods rich in apigenin such as celery, parsley, thyme, as well as a wide variety of fruit and vegetables. It is even possible to find apigenin in supplement form, which could allow for higher concentrations for cancer sufferers. The fact that pharmaceutical companies and cancer research organizations alike continue to fund major drug development studies while ignoring the true power of ingredients like apigenin, turmeric, and ginger, shows their inexorable desire to run away from the true cure. Needless to say, this is only one of many cancer fighting foods.

    Additional sources:

    University of Missouri

    UM Release

    National Institutes of Health

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited May 2012

    A thought crossed my mind while I was chopping my cruciferous veges for the evenin g meal......I wonder  what the  breast cancer risk is for German women who eat tons of cabbage in the way of sauerkraut...

    I began some research and came up wth some info for post meno women that physical activity should be increased and that HRT is a definite risk factor. Here's an interesting bit for German women thouth: alchohol consumption and being overweight were not significant factors. Mmmmm...interesting... Maybe by source is not very good....

    If Joy is around.......??? Bad timing...I have to go....will be back...

    http://www.research-in-germany.de/59544/2011-01-19-scientists-identify-avoidable-breast-cancer-risk-factors,sourcePageId=12290.html

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    I wonder too painterly. From what I understand, fermented foods provide a LOT of probiotics. Since probiotics increase the health of the gut and since the gut affects the immune system, I would think there would be less cancer among people who eat organic, fermented cabbage. It would be nice to see actual study results.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited May 2012

    Let's not forget kimchee. How do Koreans fare as far as cancer grows? Afghans and Iranians eat lot's of turshi. Do they have lower cancer rates? Caryn

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited May 2012

    Painterly, That's an excellent piece of detective work.  Very exciting and surprising to see the difference in risk factors between countries. I'd love to spend some time looking for further evidence but I'm really busy at the moment. 

    Caryn, Korea does quite a lot of research so that's a good lead to follow although of course the very different diet, environment, reproduction patterns and life expectancy in Korea makes it harder to compare to western societies.  Modern European countries have a lot more similarities that might highlight dietary differences.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited May 2012

    OMG u ladies are a fountain of info, it's like reading a medical journal. Thank u for all this info.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    dunesleeper:  Dr. Mercola just did an interview with a woman who is big on fermented vegetables as a cancer preventive food.  There is actually a web site where you can order the vegetables...we are going to do that when we get to NC.  You can also make your own, but I'm not into that.  She was completely sold out at the time we watched the interview...everything was on back up.

  • KatRNagain92
    KatRNagain92 Member Posts: 522
    edited May 2012

    I just discovered Dr. Mercola! There's a lot of information to keep one busy on that website!

    Oh and Dunesleeper...I'm eating 2 sticks of celery now as I type and it's only 8:00 am  (lol)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Kat, here's a compelling video on pawpaw, you're on the right path woman !  Will watch the whole series, just happened to fall on part 7.  Have you heard of fermented pawpaw ?  I have it in my notes from way back to research.  Was pleasantly surprised to see it available at my health food store, pretty expensive though

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDSpPniYDo 

    Zuvart, the thought never occurred to me, blame my bursitis on Tamox..Lol.  Like you say, it causes everything else ! I got the boswelia idea from stage iv ladies with mets to the brain; they also take it for pain, and it works both ways and more !

    Mercy4All, thank you for the info, will look it up as I've just fired Tamox ;) God's pharmacy is a very generous one !!!

    ETA, where did the lady Mercy4All go ? I can't see her post anymore, is it just me ? I did not have time to take down the name of the herb !!!!!!

  • mercyforall
    mercyforall Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2012

    Maud-The name of the herb is Pueraria mirifica. I was able to purchase some on amazon. Good luck!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
    Oh mercy mercy me, I thought I was hallucinating, thank you so much, am taking the name down right away !!!  I don't mean to be indiscrete, but would love for you to stay Smile
  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Kaara and Joy.

    And LOL at Kat! I've been picking celery strings out of my teeth for the last hour. Grrrr. TMI? Sorry. Embarassed

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2012

    Mercy, the plant you are recommending has tons of phytoestrogens. This would suggest that it could be harmful to those with ER+ cancers.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    what's taspine?  I've been juicing parsley, bet the sprouts would be good, celery & ginger regularly.  gary mentioned the other day:  blood oranges.  & our supermarket opened yesterday, after 10 monthsww since the flood which destroyed it.  thay always had lots of sprouts, can't wait:  will see tursday.......

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