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  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited May 2012

    I was going to suggest the same thing as marie11: run slower. Once you've acclimated to the heat and humidity, maybe two weeks or so, your speed should reassertion itself naturally. See, I've always run in the summer, as well as been a slower runner, so I never really noticed much of a difference! ;)



    Thanks for maintaining the calendar, firstcall. I think I may not be doing the Avon Walk unfortunately, because it's two weeks before NYC. Not the smartest thing. But don't remove it just yet.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited May 2012

    goldlining...I like the towel idea...thanks!!!

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited May 2012

    Thanks everyone for these replies.  I think I will be running in the evening (6-9pm) or, on the weekends, before it warms up too much.  I'm a redhead so the UV factor always forces me outside at off-peak hours.  If we get a streak of unbearably hot weather, I suppose I could try the dreadmill at the gym.  But I'd rather acclimate to it outdoors :)

    Just wanted to shout out to firstcall to say thanks for updating the calendar!  I'm seeing that I really need to start thinking about what my next race might be!  I'm trying to talk one of my C25K friends into a Firecracker 5-miler. We'll see!

    Didn't run today but adjusted my training calendar to a Sun-Tues-Thurs-Sat schedule...

  • chrissilini
    chrissilini Member Posts: 313
    edited May 2012

    Haven't posted in a bit but I'm still chugging along. Finished week 5,day 1 of C25K. Felt good after. I was disappointed with myself this weekend though. I was visiting my sister and Sat morning decided to go out in the morning and start working outside. I started the program on a treadmill. I wasn't happy that after the first half I was spent. I'm hoping it was that I was over doing it and just not used to running outside. Gotta get working on the outside aspect. Figured I'd build my endurance first then the rest but I don't know if that's going to work for me. We'll see.



    Have a good week all

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    Tried a little experiement yesterday and ran the old program on the treadmill, at zero incline, just to validate that the weight loss program I switched to, is actually increasing my endurance.  I was able to do pretty well, so it validated the weight loss program for me.  

    But it is taking me a loonnngg time to build up to a 5k.   A bit discouraging, but I'm going to hang in there.  

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited May 2012

    I'm so glad to see all the other running newbies here!  There are a lot of accomplished runners here, but it helps to have some new runners like me.  Lisa - Sounds like you're doing well and your treadmill experiment shows you are getting there.   For those working up to their first 5K: I ran my first 5K last October - I'd started running a little last summer, but before that I hadn't run in over 30 years!  I live in a suburban neighborhood with sidewalks, so I started my running program by running on the sidewalk past two driveways, then walking past one, running for two driveways, then walking for one. I built up from there to being able to run a whole block, walking half a block.  Then I could run two whole blocks, and walk a block, etc. It all kind of went from there.

    I really had no idea of running an official 5K, but a co-worker with Stage IV ovarian cancer was forming a team for the local ovarian cancer 5K run/walk.  I wanted to support her, so I registered for her team.  And I did it!!!  I was totally wiped out at the end of the thing, but I finished!  I had such a good time that I've entered several 5Ks now.  I've enjoyed each one, and I'm no longer wiped out at the end.  Now a 5k is almost a "fun run" for me.  So you'll get there!  

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    Natsfan -- Thank you for the encouragement!  I really appreciate it....  fingers crossed I'll make it to my goal of a 5k sometime this summer!  

  • Adey
    Adey Member Posts: 3,610
    edited May 2012

    C25K week three, workout one check!

    5K fun run..... she says wistfully.  (c:

    What program are you on Lisa?  Wanna get on the prairie path sometime this week?  Bike, walk, jog...  PM, text, call.....  Tongue out

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2012

    It's funny how the run length recalibrates as  you go on. My very first attempt to run at all was about 800 metres and it took me nearly 20 minutes, and I was SOOOO proud. I told my husband I ran almost a kilometre. (Of course, at 20 minutes, you can tell I walked the last half of it.) I did a 5K about 5 weeks from that (ran 4K and walked 1K and was very slow, came in last except for two ladies walking dogs who signed up for the "run" when they meant to tick the "walk" box). But I kept at it and did a 10K 6 or 7 months after that. Another 6 months later, I went to Walt Disney World and did a 10K (which they used to have). It was such a special event, a 10K!

    Thanks to my stinky mood, I'm currently deconditioned and can barely run 15 minutes before I need to start substantial walking intervals, but I got back at it for a couple of runs on the weekend.

    To the C25K sisters, I'll tell you, the km 6-10 are much better than the km 1-5 for me. At about 4 or 5 km, the whiny voice in my head shuts up. I can't wait to get into 10K condition. (And you might notice a wee problem, given my half marathon in 2 weeks. I foresee a great deal of walking...)

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited May 2012

    This morning I managed to squeek out 5 miles in one hour.   I never thought I would consider that an accomplishment, but its a first since this BC thing took over my life....I felt like it was 8 miles, but thats ok.  I am just so happy that things are improving.  Past the one month post chemo mark too

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited May 2012

    I second all that Natsfan said...I never guessed I could run anything...and I just started adding little by little.  And now I am hardly a veteran, but I can run close to 8 miles...  If I could do it, anyone can.  Just keep plugging away!

    firstcall...congratulations!  It is wonderful to improve.  I am sure you will find yourself back where you were...especially because you have such a great attitude!

    I ran intervals today on the treadmill.  I alternate a minute fast and a minute walking 3mph.  Today I managed 9mph for the fast and did 9 intervals...my most yet.  I was pleased...

    I believe that it might be time for me to consider surgery for my bunions.  I am going to talk to an orthopedic surgeon soon, I think.

    I hope you all are well.

    Claire

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited May 2012

    Claire, I generally send my patients with bunions to a podiatrist, rather than an orthopedist.  Most of the orthopedists spend most of their time on the big joints, and I've found that the podiatrists do a very good job on these. 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited May 2012

    Last year this time, my running club was all excitedly planning the big annual race that they sponsor. Everyone was signing up to volunteer for registration and course marshaling duties, as well as other tasks. Some of us even got to run in the 5k or 10k, or even both.

    Last year this time I was having my UMX and could not really participate in any of these events. I did go to the race, I was barely a week post-op, still had my drains, but I was there and stayed for the picnic afterward. I don't remember much because I was still loopy from the pain meds. I do remember making sure I stayed in sight of people I knew, but I wasn't really of any help as a volunteer. I think I gave out some kids' medals for the fun run.

    What a difference a year makes.

    This year I'm still not running either race, but I'm course marshaling both. I'm also doing pre-registration and packet pickup, on Friday and Sunday. The big event is Monday, Memorial Day. And I'm so glad this entire year is behind me, finally.

    Every run we do is an accomplishment, no matter how fast or how slow. Everyone here is amazing. I just thought I should tell you all that. :) 

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited May 2012

    Thanks, firstcall...I have found some names of podiatry surgeons.  I just am so unsure about surgery.  The one podiatrist I saw said surgery was really my only option.  I am so fearful I will be completely messed up and won't ever run again.  I am fearful of the surgery and I am fearful of how to go about finding a good surgeon.  When I found out Paula Radcliffe had bunion surgery, I was buoyed by the news...but I am just so fearful...  I really think that if I didn't have the bunions, I could run forever...  With them, by my 60's, I will barely be walking...sigh...

  • TriChick
    TriChick Member Posts: 56
    edited May 2012

    Any input appreciated...

     I had my last A/C treatment last week, now on to 4 rounds of Taxol.  The last A/C really wiped me out...I have been hiking, biking and swimming but no running.  My biggest issue is in my head!  I cannot handle my pace.  My husband said to leave my watch (garmin) at home and I think I better do that! My problem is, I know my pace, even with out the gadgets!

    Anyway, my question to you all is...what can I expect with the Taxol treatments?  I know everyone is different, that is a given.  But I would like to know, in comparision to how crappy I have felt over the last 2 A/C treatments (4 weeks) what can I expect now that the regime is changing?  I am getting antsy...can you tell?  If you could share your experiences so I can have some idea.  Through all of this I have kept great control of my anxiety (I have had very little) - but the last A/C through me for a loop, it was quite difficult.  I have some big plans post reconstruction (Goofy Challenge 2013!) and I am getting nervous!

    Thanks SuperStars!

  • Adey
    Adey Member Posts: 3,610
    edited May 2012

    C25K week 3, workout 2, check.

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited May 2012

    My half marathon is Sunday and I am a bit nervous (okay alot!) I am in a funk and feel like a can't do it. I have to do it- my dad who has Alzheimers is counting on me plus all those who donated.

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited May 2012

    One step at a time, groovygirls, just breathe and keep moving, and you'll be fine. Do you have a time goal? You've done the distance before, so it's not like it's uncharted territory for you. Trust in your legs. We all believe in you. Just stay calm and find your comfortable pace, it'll will all go as it should. :)

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited May 2012

    groovygirls...I will be rooting for you!!  (And really impressed when you tell us that you finished it, at whatever time, at whatever pace).  I hope you have a great day and that you manage to enjoy yourself!

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Member Posts: 465
    edited May 2012

    Managed to run four times this week, and the new program I started last week is getting easier!  Finished 40 minutes on the treadmill, to do 2.5 miles.  I hope to step it up next week, once I reach the 5k mark in 40 minutes, I'm going to try myself outdoors.  

    I am so impressed by those of you who can do a marathon... just don't have it in me.  I'll be so happy to complete a 5k this summer.  

    Of course, a side effect of running is that I put some rather uncharacteristic music (for me) on my ipod, as it has a good beat to run to.  My kids now like to steal my ipod.... and I'm embarassed to say that my eleven year old now likes the Violent Femmes.  I am a bad bad mother...... Embarassed

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2012

    You can do it groovygirls. I will be cheering you on this weekend. (I'm in the same boat next weekend.)

    Hope it's perfect weather with the wind at your back and you have a great day at whatever pace. 

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited May 2012

    I'm joining the others in rooting you on groovygirls

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    I wanted to separate that from this. I saw this article today and thought... OMG! This explains it all for me!

    I've been trying to get out for a run since Wednesday and it just doesn't look like it's in the cards for me, since we're gearing up to leave for Montreal this weekend.  I alreaady have a park and route staked out for a long run, my first on foreign soil. :)

    Just occurred to me that my 10K is in two short weeks. Worried I'm not ready but I have next week off from work and that should allow me to have some solid training.....

    Enjoy the holiday weekend all!! Happy running!

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited May 2012

    Thanks for that article, Kat. Though just because the odds seem to be stacked against us, that doesn't mean we should quit trying. Believe, and you can, that's my motto.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Kat - I felt validated until I got to the part about "chemotherapy". There goes my excuse - no chemo for me. But 192 bpm at over 10 mins/mile! (I didn't have a HR monitor before the surgery but there's no way it was that at that pace.) I guess I better get used to carrying enough water and snacks to last me a long time when I do the long runs! :-)

    Enjoy Montréal! 

  • kks_rd
    kks_rd Member Posts: 363
    edited May 2012

    orangemat, I agree.  It's all the more reason to get out there and keep trying... it's far better than the the other options.  And our successes despite these setbacks is all the more triumphant!

    goldlining, haven't you said in the past that you've been told/read somewhere that anesthesia impacts cardio/pulm function too?  I have to believe so.  What i take away from this article is that there's much we still don't know about how a BC dx impacts cardio fitness, but that it definitely does.  Despite the obvious causes (like the "red devil" Adriamycin chemo, which not everyone gets), there are likely less easily identified causes.  Indeed, throughout much of the article there was no distinction made by treatment type:

    The researchers found that women with breast cancer, regardless of treatment status, had significantly worse cardio-pulmonary function than healthy women of the same age who were sedentary. Even among patients who had completed cancer therapy years previously, cardiopulmonary function levels were markedly impaired, suggesting that fitness levels may not recover after therapy. 

    There's more we don't know than what we know.  In any case, there's no denying that an active lifestyle is good for us.  Of course, I'm preaching to the choir. :)  I guess my point in posting the article was as a friendly reminder not to be hard on ourselves on the days when it feels a little tougher than usual, or than before.  For me, the important thing is to keep trying!!

  • marie11
    marie11 Member Posts: 75
    edited May 2012

    Great article. Would like to see a study on fitness before and after treatment. I think we all know it's not the same.

    For me it is partly psychological. I am more worried about getting hurt so careful about pushing too hard. Input from others is also that I shouldn't expect to be in as good shape as before.

    Physically surgery,anesthesia, drugs, expanders all took a toll. Was in so much pain from expanders I could barely workout. It has been five months of seriously working out and I am still not where I was. Close enough to know I will get there (30 sec slower pace, 3 mile shorter long run, five pounds heavier). I cannot imagine how hard it would have been with chemotherapy and radiation on top of the surgery.

    The point is exercise should be advocated to survivors to recover from the side effects of treatment. Have been thinking about trying to get my Y to start a live strong program. Wonder what that takes?

  • Adey
    Adey Member Posts: 3,610
    edited May 2012

    Yep, makes me want to exercise more (and I need the incentive)!  C25K week 3, workout 3, check.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2012
    I agree, marie11 -- I think the taking-extra-care thing is a little bit post-traumatic stress. I coddle myself some days, fret over the swelling or anticipate some physical strain, because I just want a break from "everything". And "everything" is not just the diagnosis, the waiting, the treatment, the healing, but also the slings and arrows of trying to catch up all the work I missed and stuff around the house. I'm not sure it really is the physical concerns or they're just my pretext to mitigate my stress. Now, it would be healthy to put on the shoes and let that distract me, but sometimes I can't get there.
  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited May 2012

    I think I get what you mean, goldlining. But I feel the effects of the coddling differently. I get exceedingly frustrated with the limitations and self-restraint I've had to put on myself. Can't run too hard, or the effort will be bad for me. Can't put my entire body into the yoga pose, because the stretching will pull on healing tissue. AGH! It makes me want and scream, all this living so MEDIOCRILY. (And yes, I know that's not a word, but it should be.) And so I want to run, just run, FOREVER, so I can at last feel in control of my body... and have the resulting exhaustion validate me, finally...

  • eulabt
    eulabt Member Posts: 194
    edited May 2012

    Good Luck Groovygirls! Can't wait to hear about your race:)

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