Fear of Metasteses - How to cope

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Elizabeth1959
Elizabeth1959 Member Posts: 346
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I usher at my church.  Today, one of the ushers said "By the way, I've been meaning to let you know that my daughter's breast cancer is now in her liver.  She was five years out and had recently stopped her Tamoxifen.  She had to have her gallbladder removed and it was only at that time that the recurrence was discovered."  I don't know his daughter, but the usher is a nice man.  I don't think he understands I felt overwhelming panic and fear while trying to hand out church bulletins.  Coincidently, on Friday night, my husband and I had dinner with the husband of my friend who recently died from breast cancer.  I feel like I'm living in a surreal world.  The world where I make plans for the future and the world where I'm thinking about cancer/threat of recurrence.  I want to think I'm going to die of old age, but who knows.  This stinks big time.

If anyone can explain how to cope with this very real fear, I am all ears.

Elizabeth

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  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited May 2012

    Elizabeth,

    Sorry, didn't mean to post in Stage 3 (just noticed). Just wanted to say though that I don't think any of us can cope with this at 100% all the time - we are all going to have these dark thoughts.

    Hugs,

    Christina

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    Don't you just hate when people tell you all the people they know that died of breast cancer. Talk about stupid. I have a story for you. There is a woman in my building that is a 35 year survivor! She went to my LE MD in the 70's and refers to him as a "young man." He's currently around 72.

    Yes lots of us do remain NED. I would recommend reading some of the threads with long term survivors. If you really get overwhelmed then don't be afraid to get some help. My neighbor had to. She is doing fantastic now. 

    The thing I post a lot is this: The chances of you getting into a car accident is pretty high. You don't think about it though. You just put on your seat belt and live your life. So now you take your ESD (Estrogen Sucking Drug), keep your weight down, exercise etc and live your life. Yes those things are your cancer seat belts.

    (I know I'm not a stage III but I'm only 1 lymph node away from being a stage IIIA. My neighbor is a stage III)

  • Elizabeth1959
    Elizabeth1959 Member Posts: 346
    edited May 2012

    Lago



    You ate right about the car accident analogy. You're right, not afraid to drive a car

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited May 2012

    Elizabeth if u can hold down the worry it will help--there is no productive reason for it  I'm so sorry u'r caught thinking about it so much--it is what it is. And I agree we hear so many stories abou this dreaded disease, but alot of stories are good ones--we hear the bad ones. Please try to think of all the success they are having and more will come. U've come this far and u can go alot further and are u taking anythin for anxiety--maybe u should for a while until u start feelin mentally better. And I know I don't know why people like telling US stories that are dreadful--do they really think they are making us feel better??? Get out of u'r dark place and get into the light--not the sun it's very bad for u--I know someone who would sit in the sun and ooopps  LOL

  • sespebadger
    sespebadger Member Posts: 249
    edited May 2012

    Elizabeth,  I'm sorry someone shared that scary story with you. I think we will always live with some fear, and that the trick is to try to keep it from growing too big and overwhelming us. I read the posts from Stage 3 women who have made it to 5 years, 10 years, etc. That is extrememly helpful. I also have become more sensitive to the medical and personal issues of freiends and acquaintences who don't have cancer but who have very difficult challenges none the less. While I do think about recurrence, so far my blood tests indicate I am fine and I try to believe that I will live a long, healthy life. I compare that to someone with MS who will definitely have that forever. I believe I was fortunate to get something for which there is good treatment. Of course I would have preferred not to get it at all ;-).  I hope you feel better soon and that your fear will be less.

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited May 2012

    How do you fight the fear?  Keep planning for the future.  The women that post here that are past 5 and more are just a drop in the bucket for the success stories out there.  Lots of them are not aware of this discussion forum but are out there, just the same.  

    When you plan for the future you are saying "F you, cancer" and you're not letting it win.  Once you let fear (and by fear I mean the constant fear, not the once in awhile fear) take over..you are letting it win.   Don't let it win.  

  • ButterflyLady
    ButterflyLady Member Posts: 136
    edited May 2012

    I was stage III six years ago on the right and I am now stage III on the left.  Even though I had cancer again, I still intend to die from old age.  I am learning that you just have to live each day to it's fullest and not worry all the time about the what ifs.  We can't control the what if's so why worry about it.  I know we will worry from time to time, but let's not make it a daily thing.  I hate that I have cancer again, but I am kicking it's butt again.  Like I said, I intend to be here for a long time.

  • MaxineO
    MaxineO Member Posts: 555
    edited May 2012

    I have the same fears all the time: trying to live your regular life while fearing there won't be much left.  I think the analogy to the car accident isn't quite right because we DO have a higher risk. A low-stage woman told me "You'll be fine. Once you are through treatment, you'll never have to think about it again.  You'll be like everyone else, not knowing when your number will be up."  But that isn't quite true because of recurrence risk. 

    I would make the analogy that everyone fears being killed by some crazy stranger.  But we BC survivors actually have a stalker.

    I don't have any answers, but I know that some days are harder than others.  A casual comment from someone can set loose a spiral of fear and anxiety.  All we can do is keep moving one step at a time. There will be joys along the way.  Sending good thoughts your way.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2012

    Maxine I believe the risk of getting into a serious car accident in the US is about 30%. Granted that's not death but serious can leave you in pretty bad shape. You still don't think about it all the time. I know that HER2+ can spread regardless of nodal status. I'm still not going to spend what ever time left thinking that it will be me.

    If I ever get symptoms I will then check it out but I'm waiting till someone tells me I have something to worry about.

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited May 2012

    All i can talk about is my own experience. 

     i am 10 years out.  this is all an individual process......it has to do with lots of things'; support, your doctor...friends...family....time...scares along the way, treatment.  i think the hardest part for me was initial diagnosis; i was totally shocked and this threw me into a fear i had not experienced in my life.  i think that fear is what kept me on the edge for many years; always worrying about more cancer showing up. 

    the unknowns in life are what rock our world.  there are so many things in life we do; get married; have kids....change jobs...we are not thinking about divorce when we get married.  however; 2 out of 4 marriages end in divorce.  we have our kids without thinking about "what could happen to them" until something does.  we still get married and we still have kids.  we still change jobs with the unknown in front of us.  the difference with cancer.....for us....is that it COULD eventually kill us.  if it comes back.  so, we are on the edge.....and some days it is just so hard.

     well. i really believe now, after these years of doing this cancer thing; that for me; you have to just practice and practice being in the day.  the moment.  who knows what is down the line; but what is down the line may or not make a difference in your cancer outcome.  what finally really helped me; was acknowledging the truth, that i am a cancer survivor...that so far so good.....and i know if cancer shows up again...i will do what i need to do to deal with it.  there is comfort along this thinking; as i try to acknowledge the cancer but at the same time...find a balance in accepting but also not getting too far ahead of myself. 

    we are dealing with our life.  it is not a divorce, a new job...or our kids.  you have already shown your strength by doing the treatment.  you are strong.  you are alive.  today is just one day.  tomorrow is another day.  you will and can deal with what comes down the pipe. 

    hope this helps. hang in there.  keep on. don't give up.  time is your friend not your enemy.

    diana

  • sbaaronson
    sbaaronson Member Posts: 230
    edited May 2012

    I am not a stage 3 either. My apologies for barging in on the stage 3 thread. But, I am having one of those days where the worry is with me. Perhaps because I have a cold or the flu and not feeling well now vs pre-bc will forever be associated with "not being well/chemo." The fear comes and goes... I find I am either slogging through it, like today, or I am going full boar in my everyday life, no time to contemplate the fear.

    I had a colleague say to me, during my treatment, that tomorrow is promised to no one. I think, pre-bc, I assumed I would live into my 80's and see my children become adults. I think, the brick wall we all hit with this thing is the realization that there was never a guarantee. What we lost was the ability to go about life under this illusion.

    My MO nurse once said to me, as I was breaking down while on the table getting ready for my post-treatment scan. Don't let the fear in, Not Here, Not Now, Not Today.  Words to live by...

  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited May 2012

    My mom has a friend who is a 22-year survivor of BC & says "it'll be all right until it's not." Something I keep reminding myself of: modern treatment is a moving target - the longer we can stay NED, the better the chances of a more effective treatment when/if we do need it. Lots has happened in the medical world since I was diagnosed six years ago!

    I'm right there with you though - I've never been able to let go of the fear completely, but I do make plans further in the future than I did at first (Costa Rica on New Year's Eve 2012!)

    Love to all, Julie   

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