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girlguru
girlguru Member Posts: 26

I've read numerous times that having kids after 30 can raise breast cancer risk. How seriously are we supposed to take that? My mother had her first child around 26 or 27 and still got breast cancer. I also know many women that were younger than that when they had their children. I'm not ready for children with my partner but I hate this nagging feeling that I'm going to get cancer if I don't. Is this something to be really worried about? I will also discuss this with my doctor but I'm nervous. I can't see the big difference between having a child at 28 or 32. I could see having children in your early twenties making a difference.... but after 27, does it really matter?

thanks. <3 

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  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    Hi girlguru

    It is a risk factor, like all the other risk factors.  The causes of breast cancer are still unknown.  The only risk factor that I don't fit is that I have no first degree relative who had breast or ovarian cancer.  So, if I were to go off the risk factors and hang on each one, I would never lead a life.  That's not to say, I take it lightly, I don't, but I have it all in perspective. 

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited May 2012

    By what percentage does it raise your risk of getting bc if you have children after 30? What are the sources for the studies you've read? Are all other factors equal in the lives/ lifestyles of these post-30 mothers who got bc? I, personally, haven't heard that it's a major risk factor ( though it could be that I never looked in to it). Breast feeding is supposed to help reduce bc risk. I breast fed my children and still got bc. I don't think worrying about bc should push you into motherhood before you're ready for it. Caryn

  • girlguru
    girlguru Member Posts: 26
    edited May 2012

    I have a pretty high risk already so any new risk factors that emerge really confuse me.

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    The main risk factor for any type of breast cancer is being female, so we all have to live with it.  Caryn is correct, I wouldn't allow it to push you into a decision that could lead to another set of problems. 

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited May 2012

    I have read no such study either, but if I had, my first thoughts would be "ya, what else is new..whatever". I don't think any studies have a lock on what causes it, other than what Sommer said; being female.

  • girlguru
    girlguru Member Posts: 26
    edited May 2012

    Based on my studies, breeding women are exposed to less "menstrual cycles" in their lifetime. Which is why having many children (at an early age or not) also lowers risk. Some sources say that the risk is slight, others suggest that it's rather significant. Even going so far as to say that having a child at age 30 can be risky. They say having kids before age 20 offers the most protection against cancer but that's a bit preposterous. It's not very common to intentionally have kids that young anymore. My grandma had 5 kids, all before 30, and got ovarian cancer. My family is proof positive that it can go the other way. I refuse to have kids before I'm ready but this kinda sucks to learn. 

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    In the UK, one of the questions that is asked, when attending a clinic for the first time, is at what age was your first pregnancy, and I was told that a first pregnancy, after the age of 40 (all the other risk factors that come with having a child in later childbearing years) is a risk factor that is considered for early monitoring. 

    Now, I have not read too much into that as in studies, as for me and on a selfish note, I am only interested in my risk factors, it wouldn't affect me anyway.  I had all of my children before I was 30. 

    From a discussion standpoint, purely as that, then it would be interesting, backed up with studies as with anything.  From a menstruation standpoint, then girlguru is correct, breeding women do have fewer menstruations.  I suppose that could tie in with the risk factor of early menses. 

    Girlguru, I certainly wouldn't be pushed into having children just because of this.  I mean, if we look at the risks of childbirth itself, and used them for not having children, we would end up (like China are now, from their one child policy( of having nations of old people to care for without younger people to care for them. 

    I have heard it is a risk factor, but like anything else, keep in perspective. 

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited May 2012

    My Aunt had her first child at 18 and her last (the 9th) at 32.  She died of breast cancer at 39.  She had no first degree relatives with any sort of cancer, she never weighed more than 135 lbs, she never used hormonal bc. Her experience convinced me that it's all so random that I don't worry about risk factors.

  • girlguru
    girlguru Member Posts: 26
    edited May 2012

    It actually seems counter-productive for health websites to post risk factors that women can't control. It's like saying people with brown eyes are at risk for blindness. Great, thanks--- now what? We're a very free society now. I don't know of any health provider that would advise women to have kids exclusively to avoid breast cancer. So why even put that information out there? It's just making people sad and it doesn't help anyone. 

    I agree that it's best to put it into perspective. My own mother proves that bearing children before 30 doesn't always make a difference. I also agree that there's absolutely no set formula for breast cancer. If anything, it seems entirely random for most women. I think they should take factors we can't control off the table. We don't really need to know that simply being who we naturally are can harm us. Knowledge isn't always power.

    thanks for the input :) bless you all. 

  • girlguru
    girlguru Member Posts: 26
    edited May 2012

    One exception being family history. I think it's always best to monitor any patient with a family history of anything. Beyond that, I think we should stop being reminded constantly of all the uncontrollable things that *may* lead to cancer.

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    Family history is one thing, risk factors are a totally separate issue.  If I led my life around risk factors, I wouldn't leave the house, (then I would have a whole new set of risk factors!)  If we eat a lot of food, junk, sweet things, do no exercise, then we become obese, if we bang 50 fags down our necks everyday, we put ourselves at risk of lung cancer, heart disease, on and on I could go. 

    The risk factors will increase, for everything, as more science develops. It's all relative and life is about common sense, is it not?  I eat a healthy diet, I do exercise, in moderation, the gym can get lost for me, I like to swim and play golf, walk my dog, I sleep well.  Am content, spend my life worrying about some risk factors, that are there if I look for them then my mood alters. 

    I have a genuine interest in breast cancer, I have no family history to speak of, but given my recent brush with clinics and my ongoing issues, I educate myself on my own body. 

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited May 2012

    I have no scientific anything one way or the other but I can tell you what I have observed just here on this website...

    Most of the women on this website who have gotten breast cancer are mothers, grandmothers and most breast fed...

    There arent many women on this site who arent mothers...

    That whole "being a mother reduces your risk factor" line I think personally is more a thought that lulls women into thinking they are "safe" or "safer".

    THE biggest factors...being female and getting older.....The others I tend to think are far more minimal than we are lead to believe...

    JMO based on my observations... 

    What I wish more research would go into is more studies to better understand why women in their 30s get hit with it? Environmental? Exposure to all the different kinds of birth control (not just the pill?). Help getting pregnant?? What???

    I know that most BC does show up in older women, but I sure have seen plenty of 30-somethings here enough to wonder "Ok...what is going on here....What are these women exposed to that is making them vulnerable to aggressive BC?" 

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    I agree with you, Marie, (hi by the way)

     I was only talking about this with my Aunt last night.  She asked the same question, "why are so many younger women being diagnosed with breast cancer" When she was younger, it was never heard of. 

    That said, she did point out that she, along with my mother, were never educated about self examination, as it was considered taboo to be touching oneself.  I am 43, and in no way, was I "taught" about my breasts.  Maybe, more women are being diagnosed, because the generation down from me, is far more aware of this disease.  Technology has enabled us to be more educated, we know far more about our bodies. 

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited May 2012

    Girlguru, the "risk factors" don't always apply, and in this case I don't think it should be part of your decision about when to have children.

    According to what I've read, the following are risk factors:

    Starting menstruation early, i.e. before age 10. I was 13.

    Late menopause. I was 51.

    Obesity. I have occasionally been overweight but never with a BMI of over 25.8 (normal weight is considered up to 24.9, obese over 30).

    Drinking (don't know amount). I never drank (I don't like the taste of alcohol).

    Smoking. I don't smoke.

    Having children late (however that's defined). I have 6 kids, had my first when I was 26.

    Not breastfeeding. I nursed all my kids for a long time.

    Family history. This is where the stats-compilers can yell, GOTCHA!

    You do what you can do, live a life with as healthy a lifestyle as you can, and that's all you can do.

    Leah

  • girlguru
    girlguru Member Posts: 26
    edited May 2012

    Thanks friends,

    you have helped me see that I can't beat myself up about every risk factor. It is what it is and I'll keep praying for a medical breakthrough. It's not reassuring to know that so many women with children get this disease but I understand that cancer knows no boundaries. I don't know that there's any one thing we can do to prevent it. It's simply biological madness and I hope someone figures it out very soon. I agree with Marie about wanting to see studies done on why women under 45 are getting this disease so much more frequently. It's beyond depressing to hear about young women in the prime of their lives suffering from such a harrowing disease. I don't want to see anyone get this cancer but it does seem like someone should figure out how young women are getting a disease that's supposed to be more common in older women. For example, if estrogen plays a role in this, how are 25 year olds getting breast cancer? They've only been exposed to menstruation for a little over a decade. How can estrogen alone be the cause? I'd also like to know the real statistics. I don't really believe that only 2% of women under 30 get breast cancer per year.

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    Hi girlguru

    I do a lot of reading and research on breast cancer and I have studied estrogen as a whole.  I have looked at the fungal theory, the sugar theory, the dairy theory, had debates on all of them with people. I have looked at geographical theories and I have looked at statistics and date until I am packed to the rafters with information. 

    Statistics are purely numbers, the true numbers will never be known.  I could write reams and reams of research I have done and it will not change a thing.  Yet, I still study and read, because I am interested.  My current reading is on necrosis, because that is what I seemingly have.  While it is bengn process, if I look hard enough, I will and I have found papers on fat necrosis, that will lead me to believe that it is not as simple as a benign process and how I am led to believe that it is only that and that I am not on a cancerous route. 

    Everything can be argued, because while some studies are proven, and some are not, if it were only estrogen that was the cause, wouldn't there have been some development in cure?  We have no cause, we have no cure, we only have risk factors, and we only have the treatments that we have, which have been proven to reduce tumours, kill off damaged cells and sustain life. 

    Chemotherapy is a relatively "new" drug process, only been around since the 70's.  If you look back at history, women had their breasts sliced off because of disease.  Radical masectomies were performed first in the late 1800's (can't remember the date exactly)

    If, girlguru, you want to look deeper into it all, then you will have to take yourself right back to when humans first inhabited this planet.  Cancer is such a vexing topic, producing so many theories.  For now, the fungal theory I am looking at, reading it big and large. 

    Estrogen alone?  Your question, if you have the time to do the research is a good one, we know that estrogen is a big player in breast and ovarian cancer, men produce estrogen, and get breast cancer, it is rare.  But it happens. 

  • Fergy
    Fergy Member Posts: 114
    edited May 2012

    I think it is also important to remember that these risk factors are based on statistics gathered from women diagnosed with breast cancer.  It may be pure coincidence that a good portion of them have these things in common and may not have anything to do at all with causing their breast cancer. 

    To set your mind at ease, my mother had her first child at the age of 21.  She married my father at the age of 35 and proceeded to have 5 more children between the ages of 36 and 42.  She did not have breast cancer nor did she ever have any issues with her breast.

    I had one child at the age of 21.  I have had breast issues since I was 16 years old.  I have what is called "busy breasts, sclerosing adenosis and moderately dense breast tissue.  I am 55 years old and have been under special surveilance since I was 40.  I have almost always been called back for additional views or given BIRADS 3 to come back in 6 months, or asked to have an ultra sound at the time of my mammogram etc.

    Like everyone else says, live your life, be happy and get your regular mammograms and do SBE.  All we can hope for is IF we are unfortunate enough to get breast cancer, hope that they catch it early enough so the treatment is the least invasive.

    Good Luck to you and I wish you the best that life has to offer.

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited May 2012

    I believe that younger women developing breast cancer is nothing new. As I said my 39 year old aunt died of bc in 1971. I think women just didn't talk about problems with their lady parts.  My aunt had had her lump from age 25 on and just didn't tell anyone, because, well you didn't talk about these things.  And having ignored a lump when you eventually die the lung problem that killed may well have been rooted in bc.  The headaches?  Same thing.  A young woman was carried off by flu, or polo or who died in childbirth, or maybe just wasted away?... whatever. She may well have been weakend by bc.

     As for most women here being mother's & grandmothers?  Well that's true, but there are a lot of us here who are childless, as well.  We just don't have as much occaision to talk about it.

  • Sommer43
    Sommer43 Member Posts: 600
    edited May 2012

    Hi Cindy,

    I do think you have made an excellent point!  Younger women having breast cancer is not a new thing.  Younger women, being diagnosed is. 

    Girlguru, has asked some important questions, I don't think it is based on her worrying about risk factors only. 

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