Calling all Stage II Sisters!!!

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  • dj59
    dj59 Member Posts: 87
    edited April 2012
  • Megadotz
    Megadotz Member Posts: 302
    edited April 2012

    Dorrie, how are you?  I'm hoping that we haven't heard form because you're doing the happy dance of a low oncotype score....

    My mother hen side is worried that the asnswer wasn't what you hoped for.  A lot of us have been down that road ourselves and are ready to lend a helping hand, or an ear to listen to a justified rant.

    FWIW, there's been a lot of work done in the last decade to help mitigate chemo side effects. It's a new set circumstances for the treatment and for your situation and coping skills.

    I was told "no chemo" right the lumpectomy, only to have final pathology find a micromet.  Three years ago, the agressive  treatment was what the research supported, no oncotype for those with positive nodes (including micromets).  About  6 months later new research came out that turned that around.  I worked through chemo taking the day of chemo and the day after (neulasta shot),  the support, meds and nutritional guidance got me through.  

    A lot of it was rmembering to drink lots of water, get enough protein and listen to my body.  

    If it looks like cehmo is recommended, come by and talk with us and let us share our strategies, ones that worked, and ones we wish we'd thought better of.

    You're not alone.

    ..of course if you've been about partying come by and tell us about your adventures.Wink 

  • msphil
    msphil Member Posts: 1,536
    edited April 2012

    hello sweetie,I remember doing sort of the same thing, I think it,s just the celebration of life of making it Through ALL that, yes reward yourself and you go much and celebrate each milestone, or what you will do when you hit 18 yrs out, God Bless and keep Hope.  (Idc, stage 2, 0/3 nodes involved, L mast, chemo and rads and 5 yrs on Tamoxifen) msphil  (18 yr Survivor).

  • Clowngirl
    Clowngirl Member Posts: 43
    edited April 2012

    I want to know HOW on earth a 3.4 cm papilloma went undetected by yearly MRIs, mammography, and ultrasound? I found the sucker by feeling it. And I had that false security that I was doing all that I can, that I would catch something EARLY since I was doing all the screening. I asked my doc why it didn't show and she just kind of scrugged. WHAT? If I had know that a papilloma might NOT show on imaging, I would have done the prophylactic mastectomy 10 years ago! I am now officially in the ANGER stage. I'm so upset today. :0(   

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2012

    Clowngirl... After I was diagnosed, my BS said I should get an MRI just in case there was something else... after getting results, she said there WAS something else and I should get it biopsied before surgery... after the biopsy, she said it was nothing, so I had my lumpectomy... A few weeks later, I asked for the path report, and it said that "nothing" was a papilloma and that the radiologist recommended it get removed, and if the patient refused that it should be watched carefully... WHAT?? The patient wasn't even told it was there... as a matter of fact was told it was nothing. One reason I choose MX after chemo... If I wasn't told about that, then what else might be there that I wasn't told about?

  • Clowngirl
    Clowngirl Member Posts: 43
    edited April 2012

    Are papillomas notoriously undetected? How scary is that?  And if they are, shouldn't there be closer attention paid to findings that are "probably nothing?" I feel so duped! How much sooner could this have been found if they took a little more care over those "probably nothing" issues?  And then to ask her WHY and have her kind of shrug! I felt all the confidence I had in these professions run right out my body. I feel ripped off, bdavis!  My BMX is coming up on May 10th and I'm wondering what else lurks in my breasts. :0( 

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited April 2012
    Probably nothing.  Tongue out  Clowngirl, bdavis I understand the frustration.  My "scartissue" turned out to be IDC and I look at the doctors with real suspicion whenever they start their "don't worry" speeches.  But what can you do?
  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2012

    well.. what you can do is be a self advocate... and that is what I did by having the BMX even though they all thought it was overkill... In 50 years, heck in 5 years, I am just a number to them... but for me its ME... so I make decisions I can live with... and I too lost some faith, so took matters into my own hands. I know I couldn't have lived worrying about the "other lurking" stuff.

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2012

    Just wanted to introduce myself to the group.  My ONC told me yesterday that he believes me to be a Stage II but we will have to wait and see after she receives the pathology report after my BMX on 5/29.  My BS said I'm either Stage I or Stage II but my tumor is pretty huge.

    I was just reading all of the posts here, and am really encouraged by all of your journeys!

    Take care.

  • vballmom
    vballmom Member Posts: 426
    edited May 2012

    Hi teeballmom!  We can be twins - we're both triple positives, our names rhyme and we're starting at about the same time. 

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2012

    Hi vballmom!  As soon as I saw your name, I said practically the same thing.  And I love your avatar with the cupcakes!

  • ToriGirl
    ToriGirl Member Posts: 1,188
    edited May 2012

    Welcome vballmom and teeballmom....I'm sorry we have to meet here, but am glad that you have found us here....I know, by now, you have met some extraordinary ladies (and a few gents) on this message board...keep coming back, asking questions, asking for advice, and giving us your thoughts on things...It's such a wealth of knowledge here.  Keep us up to date on you as well.

    Take care and God bless!

    Tori 

  • megs986
    megs986 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2012

    Hi ladies,



    Question...anyone not have any CT or bone scans at the time of diagnosis or thoughout treatment? My MO nor BS would do them because my sentinel node biopsy was negative. It makes me really nervous to rely on that as I've read instances of false negatives. I'm having bone pains in/around my shins. I know bone mets are usually around ribs but I have no other explaination for the leg pain. I was just reviewing my latest bloodwork and saw my Alkaline Phosphate level has steadily increased since diagnosis, which can indicate bone/liver mets. My next appointment isn't until October.

  • BikerLee
    BikerLee Member Posts: 355
    edited May 2012

    Shin pain could be related to several things....

    Any change in activity level?

    Are you in menopause?

    When my estrogen tanked (cancer - the gift that keeps on giving) I started to have quite a bit of joint pain. Now, I'm on hrt, and my joint pain is backing off considerably - hoooooray!



    Anyway, I believe that the ct/pet scans for early stage breast cancer are no longer recommended because you essentially get unneeded radiation... Unless something in your case calls for it. Definitely worth talking to your health care professionals about this in detail!



    I was stage II... Triple negative etc.... Doing well as far as I know.... Hoping that holds true for years to come.



    Hope everyone has a lovely night!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited May 2012

    Megs...I agree with BikerLee... My MO said no scans for early stage cancer... too many false positive and then unnecessary procedures to pursue blips seen on scans... and usually end of being nothing... I have increased knee pain, most likely due to Tamoxifen.Are you on any drugs??

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I was on annual mammography screening since the age of 40 and my mammograms did not pick up a developing IDC.  Even my diagnostic mammogram - after finding the lump myself - came back "inconclusive.  My MO has since told me that mammograms are only 70% accurate.  Say, what?  Who forgot to mention THAT???

    After surgery and before starting chemotherapy, my MO ordered a series of tests: bone scan, abdominal ultrasound, chest x-ray, bloodwork, the works.  She said that it was the protocol for the cancer centre that I was attending and had to be completed before starting chemotherapy.  (It always amazes me how many differing opinions there are in the oncology field!)

    Now, my MO says, I'm due to start mammographic screening again.  I just looked at her.  She said that, unfortunately, mammograms are still the "front-line" screening tool and I need to continue having them.  And, given my history, she will order regular diagnostic ultrasounds, as well.  I don't know if that will help or not, but I think that I will still do regular self-exams... just in case.

  • megs986
    megs986 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2012

    Okay, thanks ladies. I just started Tamoxifen about 5 or so days ago and the leg pain definitely pre-dates that but I was on chemo for 3 months. It put me in temporary menopause so I wonder if it's related to that. No change in activity and I haven't been taking any other drugs since I finished chemo in February. I can deal with the pain, just want to make sure I'm not missing something. I just want a good ole body scan! Lol.




    Selena...my mammogram didn't pick up the tumor I found either. Worse yet, I was told the chance of it picking up another in the future (reoccurrence or new) was around 50%. My BS said it like I should be happy, I looked at her like she was nuts. Not sure why this is the standard test still. I pitched a fit based on what happpened the first go around and she agreed to do MRI's as a part of my follow-up, which is a moot point now as I've had a BMX but could be an option for you.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited May 2012

    I had a BMX and am having an MRI next week... There is still a 2% chance of recurrance on chest wall or nodes, and since a friend of mine was just diagnosed with a recurrance post MX, I am doing this.

    I have been on Tamoxifen since Dec and my knees are definitely more achey.. I am sure chemo did help also.

  • megs986
    megs986 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2012

    Thanks Betsy, how often are they recommending you do MRI's? I will have them too, more so meant that mammograms are no longer an option for me with implants.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited May 2012

    Megs.. They actually recommend nothing.. us flap girls don't have risk of anything rupturing, which is the big reason implant gals get the MRI... but having said that, I asked for the MRI and plan to have one once per year for the next 5 years or so, and hope my insurance company is good with that.

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited May 2012

    How about "tumor markers" for stage II? My BS mentioned them to me at my recent appt. She told me that my MO doesn't routinely order them but 2 other MOs in town do. I thought tumor markers were for higher stages. Any stage IIrs have them done??

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I had the tumour markers done when I was first diagnosed - they were "clear".  No one has suggested having them routinely done going forward.

  • sanbar8771
    sanbar8771 Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2012

    Hi Ladies,

     I thought I would chime in. I just had my 2 year cancerversary... YAY. Today 2 years ago I got the worst news ever. So far I am cancer free or (NED) and living the good life.

    Selenawolf, what are your stats? I have been getting a CBC and tumor markers checked since I was diagnosed. I am now getting them every month. I think because I had positive nodes my onc is being overly cautious. She knows I get super paranoid as well. When I was first diagnosed, I had a CT scan, MTI and pet to make sure there was not any cancer in other places in my body.

    Megs, About 4 months ago I started getting ankle pain as well. I freaked out and went to get an MRI... everything came back fine. I think we are all super cautious and paranoid of getting mets. I know even 2 years out I am still scared. My onc told me the reason she does not do ct scans or pet scans is because there can be a ton of flare ups that are nothing. Unfortunately our bodies are going through menopause so we can have arthritis looking hot spots that are nothing. It sucks that we have to just wait for either a tumor marker to go up or have serious pain. It's so annoying. But, as my onc said... we are stage 2... after treatment we have around a 5-10% chance of reoccurance. For me, I'll take that. :)

    I hope everyone is well. Just remember it will get better. Sometimes, I almost forget that I had cancer. Big Hugs to you all. xoxo

     Julie C.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I had the "works" when I was first diagnosed: CBC including tumor markers; CT scan; bone scan; abdominal ultrasound; chest x-ray.  Going forward, I've already had my 6-month follow-up with complete exam, but no bloodwork; have my next mammogram booked... and have entered the Metformin Clinical Trial, where I did undergo bloodwork for fasting glucose and B12 levels.

    The tumor marker tests going forward (I have since asked my MO's office) are not routinely done (at least at the institute that I go to) for early stage breast cancer follow-up because the test results can be affected by things other than breast cancer antigens and can give both false positives/false negatives.  When I checked a couple of websites to be sure, including the American Cancer Society, the American Society of Clinical Oncology and the Dr. Susan Love Foundation, all the sites said roughly the same thing.

    So... that's why I'm not having them, I guess.  And I had heard the same thing as you have about regular CT scans; that they can, often, give false positives/negatives for a variety of reasons.

  • megs986
    megs986 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2012

    Happy cancerversary Julie!

  • filing
    filing Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2012

    i feel exactly the same! i am gg nuts now, i want to go to the nun convent, live and pray there without my phone or any gadgets so that i could listen to God or my own heart. i hate this stupid cancer and i am too young to get this! i am still building my career yet i need to stop it now since it will affect my lifestyle, i cannot hv kids, i face many difficulties in lots of areas in my life even without this stupid cancer!!

  • edot
    edot Member Posts: 72
    edited May 2012

    Hi

    I was dx'd at stage 2 also. The center where I had my surgery orders bone scan, and liver/abdominal CT as a base line after surgery, so I had that in January, 2011 after surgery. This is regardless of stage. My oncologist does tumor markers every three months, and a number of other tests, and my surgeon does ultrasound every 6 (I had a lumpectomy followed by chemo and rads).She'll order MRI if she needs more info. Both do a physical exam every 3 months. When I finished rads, I was freaking out and my onc offered to order a pet, but I calmed down and decided I was ok without. I'm not quite 18 months post dx, but I like that my docs follow me with exams. I feel more calm, farther away from it, but it's hard sometimes.

  • piopico
    piopico Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2012

    I had Lumpectomy and SNB (positive with extension thru the capsule) 2 1/2 weeks ago. So I'm Stage 2b. My MD wanted a CT as a Baseline, and a MUGA  to determine the type of Chemo. I'm healing great and want to get started........how long did you gals have to wait to start the chemo?

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited May 2012

    I had lumpectomy on 7 December and started chemo on 12 January...



    Jenn

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited May 2012

    I had a lumpectomy and an auxially clearence and started chemo exactly 3 weeks later.

    I had my port put in the morning and started chemo that afternoon.

    I had no issues with healing from either surgeries.

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