What is the experience of the surgery for mastectomy?
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infobabe,
The need for checking your nodes doesn't relate to mastectomy vs. lumpectomy. I first had a lumpectomy with radiation three years before my bilateral mastectomy (after cancer was found in the other breast). I had an SNB with the lumpectomy.
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Good luck with your decision infobabe. From what you describe you are in your 70s with a small amount of DCIS and no invasive component yet found. Unless there were other factors, such as strong family history of bc or dense hard to read breasts, I would strongly consider doing the lumpectomy plus rads. From what I read the rate of survival is identical as for doing a MX.
Ask your radilogist about how easy your breasts are to see on mammo. In your age range they should be able to easily see anything that might come up in the future and if it does, well, then you can do a bigger surgery,
My case, totally different, I did a bilateral for prevention, but if I were in your shoes I think I would strongly consider breast conserving therapy. What is your doctor recommending?
Oh as for your original question, for me, BMX was very easy literally painless (as in I never took any of the pain meds they gave me) and I am at 100% of normal activity. For me it worked great but surgery is always a gamble, even small surgery. Good luck to you ((hugs)) -
Sorry, I had to cut short my reply above as I was called away from the computer. My point was meant to be that if your doctor determines that he or she needs to check your lymph nodes for cancer, at least one or two nodes (sentinel nodes) will probably be removed whether you have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy.
Given your situation, I think beacon's point is a good one. Breast conserving surgery with a lumpectomy is easier on the body even than a mastectomy and leaves you with your breast basically intact. Radiation usually isn't very onerous. I had a lumpectomy and radiation in 2003. My breast looked amazingly good afterwards and the radiation wasn't bad at all. Other than a bad "sunburn," I had no side effects. Unfortunately, three years later I was diagnosed with a new primary cancer in my other breast that required a mastectomy, so I decided to have both breasts removed. After two cancers, I wanted to do everything possible to prevent a third!
My mother was diagnosed with DCIS when in her seventies. She had a lumpectomy and radiation and went happily on with her life.
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For me, I think my BS screwed up. I had 2 surgeries prior to the MX and no lymph nodes were taken. A sentinel node was never taken. When I went to surgery it was supposed to be a simple mastectomy. He said my lymph nodes were swollen so he took a "few". I was told 5-6. When I went back for post op the path report said 22 nodes. The BS was surprised. Not happy about it because now I have to take precautions about lymphadema, but what's done is done. Had I been on this board on this board sooner and know what I have learned, I would have asked more questions.
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I had a bilateral no recon. My surgery was complicated and included a skin graft. It was "very vascular" according to my BS requiring transfusion and took over 7 hours (was supposed to have ooph too but they decided I was under too long already so didn't have it).
Because of the graft I had a wound vac and spent 5 days in the hospital. However I had no pain (except the donor site for the graft which hurt like the dickens).
My drains came out during second week and I returned to work full time two weeks after surgery. I even went to Maryland ( 2 hr drive - my DH drove) for the MBCN conference less than two weeks later.
I think my experience was somewhat of an exception (on the good side) and I had no nodes removed (which helped I think) but I think without recon the surgery and recovery aren't too bad.
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Infobabe,
You do have a lot to consider and as you've read, there is a wide range of experiences among those who have had mastectomies . As Erica noted, Anastrozole is the generic name for Arimidex, one of the aromatase inhibitors. I am post menopausal and this is my first AI, not Femara. I have had very few and easily managed se's. As for the Oncotype dx test, you must fit a specific profile to take it. It will determine how efficacious chemo would be for you but it presumes you will take Tamoxifen after chemo.You can find specifics on the Genomics Health website. Good luck with your decisions.
Caryn -
I want to say a very profound thank you to all you women who have responded to my call for information to make my decision.
I came into this leaning toward a mastectomy to get it over with but I find it is more complicated than that. Now I expect to do the 2nd lumectomy with 5 weeks of rads.
I can go back to a mastectomy later if I have to. It a very final decision and there is no going back.
A thousand thank yous and I really mean that. I don't know what I would have done without this web site because no one tells you anything.
Carole
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Infobabe - your surgeon may take nodes with a lumpectomy. My biopsy showed invasive from the start so I knew he would. You may want to ask, just so you are prepared. I have a BMX scheduled in June and I'm appreciating everyone's response. If you do choose a lumpectomy - the breast incision caused me very minimal pain.
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After my experience, if you have a second lumpectomy ask for the BS to take some lymph nodes. Mine didn't take any and then took them all during the mastectomy.
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Bilateral mastectomies - easy peasy compared to other surgeries/hospitalizations I've had.
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I have already had the one lumpectomy and there was no pain. The first one showed all DCIS Stage 0, grade 1, and it showed all DCIS wiith nothing else. I am going for the 2nd lumpectomy and not mastectomy.
My problem is that the DCIS is high on my breast, almost on my chest so there is little breast tissue to work with or scoop out. It is why the MammoSite didn't work. Don't think I will be asking them to take nodes. Am I wrong, but they take 22 of yours with no positive ones?
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To me it sounds like you will not have to have a sentinel node biopsy on your revision lumpectomy. This is because if they obtain clear margins on this surgery and find no invasive cancer during pathology, they will have had no reason to take nodes. If, once they do the pathology, they determine that there is invasive cancer they will go back and do a sentinel node biopsy to stage it.
in the interest of efficiency some doctors might want to do a sentinel node bx along with your lumpectomy, but if it were me (and it's been me) I would not let them do this. Doing it as I outlined above is better for you as in the event they find no invasive cancer they will not have done an unecessary sentinel node biopsy on you.
Mastectomy often calls for a sentinel node biopsy as once the mastectomy is complete, they have difficulty identifying the sentinel node and therefore have to take many more. In short words, the breast must be intact to perform a sentinel node biopsy.
In your case, with a grade one smallish area of DCIS you might get away without a sentinel node bx even with mastectomy but that is very much up to your surgeon. For the record I took the gamble and did bilateral MX, no sentinel node and that worked out for me, but I have seen it go the other way too. Have you had an MRI to determine if the rest of your breast (s) look normal?
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No MRI for me yet. What is the reason for doing this? The digital mamography clearly shows nodes. Is it more 3 dementional?
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infobabe - i am just two weeks out from BMX. for me, the surgery and recovery so far has been much easier than i anticipated. pain was well managed in hospital. i was off pain meds and just on tylenol after 4 days. I'm stiff and sore and definitely have road in front of me re: reconstruction, but my pathology came back clean and for me, i can deal with the pain better then i can deal with recurrance. it's a very personal decision-- with no right answer. for me, the BMX was the right answer and i don't have any regrets. best of luck to you!
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If you truly have DCIS, there is no need to take nodes as the cancer has not spread outside the duct. That is the difference between IDC and DCIS. You should ask your doctor about this.
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Hi
I had BMX for dcis grade 3. I opted for the bilateral after my lumpectomy did not get clear margins and because my MRI lite up on both sides and even after 2 biopsies on the opposite side that were negative my surgeon was concerned there was cancer on both sides. My dcis did not show on mammo it appeared as a lump so I was also concerned that if I did get it in the opposite breast it would not get caught timely.
I stayed in hospital 2 nights I could of gone home next day but I asked to stay an additional day. I got great care in my hospital and was comfortable there. I had setinal node done on side that was positive for cancer. My final pathology luckily did not show cancer on opposite side but showed a lot of pre cancerous cells so glad I made the decision I did. I took pain pills or muscle relaxants off and on for 2 weeks. I did not have any previous surgeries to compare it to but felt the pain was much less than I expected. In fact the 2 nd week I was out Xmas shopping several times. I did notice I was more tired tho. By opting for the BMX I was able to not have radiation or have to take any hormonals.
My advice is to see more than 1 doctor and get a few opinions based on your personal risk factors. Wishing you all the best! Take care
Cindy -
Cindy, What was the path on your removed breasts? Did they in fact find more undiscovered cancer?
I am so back and forth on this entire mastectomy thing. It is not uncommon for Stage 0 to get it. Too many choices. No clear path to follow and we cannot predict the outcome until all the actions are taken.
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Infobabe have you consulted with a RO yet? I had a lump and rads and had a pretty hard time with rads. With your type 2 diabetes I would be concerned about wound healing as whole breast radiation is very hard on the skin, but then again you would have wound healing with the MX. I ended up having another issue with my other breast so ended up with a BMX with reconstruction. I do not think the BMX was any harder on me than the rads were. I think most of my longer pain from BMX was actually from the reconstruction side of it.
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My Type II is well under control and I do heal up very fast. In fact, my surgery was delayed a week by a tooth (first in my life) that suddddenly went bad and had to be extracted. It needed bone seeds and stitches but I was ready to go for the surgery 6 days later.
I am now wondering more if they do not get a clean margin, then what?
The advice I am giving others now is, be like your dog and don't expect anything because you will be disappointed if you do.
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I had a BMX in September, so it has been almost 8 months at this point. It is major surgery, so itmakes you tired. The pain was not too bad, but there was a lot of annoying discomfort, the drains, the creepy crawly feeling in the incision area, the tightness and so on. None of it was too horrible, but it dragged out recovery over a very long period, for me anyway.
As for the drains, here in Greece they do not send you home with drains. Instead I was in the hospital for 5 days, the drains were removed and then I went home. -
Monine, i have read that not all doctors in North america put in drains. But I also read that they create huge fluid build ups that have to be relieved in the hospital.
Also, here, lots of luck staying in the hospital for a week. That would be great like the good old days.
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Sherry, I have seen and been in touch with my RO. I was slated for a MammoSite but it failed becuse the balloon was too close to the skin and I would have been fried.
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Info, I did have drains, four of them, but only for the five days in the hospital. I did have a bit of swelling on one side, but it resolved on its own. My surgeon saw me quite frequently in the weeks after the surgery to check on the healing. Although it is not fun to be in the hospital, I was grateful for the care.
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It's nice to be taken care of and not just on your own.
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Post mastectomy pain is not uncommon....it can affect up to 50% of women. Fortunately, most of us will get better slowly but some never will. You have to know this before going in. Had I known this, I would have opted for a SNB and mastectomy without aux. node dissection....and I would have gotten a breast surgeon NOT a general surgeon. A SNB will prevent most of the PMPS, reducing it to perhaps 11% which is significant. Excercise helps. For myself, I am just one year and a bit out of surgery and still have significant pain under my arm, shoulders, back and chest but I try to keep positive and there are times when I can excape the pain by laying down and resting my arm. I have full motion but am limited as to what I can do (like mowing the lawn) as it gets painful. BUT, alot of women don't have problems at all. You just have to know the possibilities.
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I'm always surprised that you guys have to suffer with a general surgeon doing mastectomies in the US. I had a radical mastectomy with level 1 and 2 axillary node clearance 3 months ago; one drain removed after 9 hours. Home after 20 hours. Paracetamol for 2 days only; no pain at all after 3 days. Full shoulder mobility within 2 weeks; full chest stretch at about 6 weeks. some minor cording for about 3 weeks. Weighted prosthesis after 5 weeks, running etc then too. No signs of lympodema (yet!) Getting more chemo now but will get radiation in about 7 weeks time - need to keep stretching while that goes on apparently.
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Hi Sian65,
Although some women in the U.S. do have a general oncologic surgeon do their breast surgery, no one has to wind up with that. In almost all cases, a woman can request a breast surgeon or go to a larger hospital if there isn't one available in her smaller community hospital. Regarding the rest of your experience, that sounds pretty typical for most women I know of. I was treated in Boston, had a breast surgeon do my surgery, stayed overnight in the hospital, was off narcotic painkillers (except half a vicodin at night) and onto Tylenol (the same thing as Paracetamol) by the time I got home.
I'm glad you had a pretty easy time of it. It's what we all deserve!
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Hi Erica,
your post makes me feel better for you guys... in Europe we hear so many negative reports about the US medical system that I have had a nagging little worry about how you cope financially etc. Same as I worry about the women in developing countries who have no access to any treatment..... sigh
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