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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012
  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    I am still of the opinion that everything in moderation is not harmful be it soy products, sun, red meat, certain fats, natural supplements, or whatever.  Even some of the alcohol studies point out that the odd glass of wine here- and there (and by that I mean infrequent, maybe, a few times a year) won`t give you a raging recurrence.  Neither will a cookie every so often. It`s when we abuse- or overuse things that we get into trouble.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    please please don't complain about tone of voice or rudeness, or we'll lose this thread too.  I do know that when I juiced a lot of fennel, very estrogenic as I learned later, that's when the cyst turned very bad, & when I ate a bunch of red beans, & way too uncooked I had a great deal of pain.

    what then are xenoestrogens?  them "birth controll" pills or the mares can I please say piss?  I love anglosaxon words & dislike latin ones for body/parts/functions at least, don't mind them for herb nominaclature (?SP?) 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    I agree with abigail...keep the tone civil or this thread is going to be shut down as well.  We may now never know WOM's entire story.  

    Have a nice day everyone. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    that wasn't my point at all.  we're all stressed & tone of voice on a discussion board, in written language shouldn't be noticed for rudeness or whatever.  just for information.  please

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    It is very difficult to express strong opinions on a board like this without offending someone because the vocal inflections and facial expressions that can soften difficult, and potentially offensive information are missing.  In face to face conversation, a quick smile can diffuse a tense situation and allow people to disagree without becoming disagreeable.

    We are all dealing with breast cancer, but in reality, the individual specifics of each one's pathology may make choices that are helpful for one be damaging for another.

    We all need to share respect and tolerance, it can't be one sided. 

    If you believe that there is an offensive tone in someone's post, it might help to gently point out that their post might be misinterpreted in a PM.  The poster has a chance to edit their post, and there is not a public encouragement to "choose sides" when in reality, we are all on the same side against our common enemy, cancer. 

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    very true, patmom, & for heavens sake don't "report" anyone for anything.  apparently that's how we lost the locked forum (& I hope it will be unlocked soon) It wasn't the moderator being mean, It was that she had to lock it because of "reports"

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    gary talking about testosterone says oat straw, & ginseng, & faor cancer o2, hyperbaric chamber, I've heard that that is clostophobic.....????

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Well, now I'm truly confused.  When I posted on the Colonics thread, I didn't say anything even remotely controversial.  All I did was agree with zuvart and express surprise at blackcat's post.    

    It doesn't much matter, however - I think "organic soy in moderation" as Sunflowers said it, seems to be the way many integrative docs are going.  At least, that was the consensus of the ones that I talked to.  It's totally possible that other doctors are saying other things.    I actually don't even like tofu.  But I do like edamame and tempeh - delicious!  And I agree with SelenaWolf - I don't think any one thing in moderation is going to tip the scales.  It's more of an overall, comprehensive approach that seems to be effective.  

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    I miss beans & vegetables & brown rice, macrobiotic staple (I'm far from macrobiotic, but I have dpracticed it), & now no beans since when a year I guess.  theres a tiny bit of soy oil in my bee propolis lip balm, so I only seldom use it

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited May 2012

    abigail48~

    You do not eat vegetables anymore?

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    mostly vegetables.  mushrooms, zuch, leeks, potatoes, tomatoes, yams, & I juice cucks, & celery

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    & of course lots of brocolli, I often juice the stems as well, gary says the curative ingredient is sulphur, & so how about hot springs?

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    the curative ingredient is sulforaphane (not sure I spelled it right), not sulfur.  Two totally different things.  Nice try, though - hot springs are lovely - wouldn't it be great if they were anti-cancer?

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    sounds like a phytochemical & must be related, brocolli certainly smells like sulfer, esp raw

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    according to wikki, an organosulfur compound,.......particularly curative are brocolli & coliflower sprouts, & how much more if juiced (I say).  can't wait to get our market back!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Abi, you're right, of course

    What are the benefits of the sulfur compounds found in cruciferous vegetables? 

    http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=45

    I'm crossing my fingers and praying that you get your market back ASAP !! 

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Wait, so is there curative value in a hot spring?  This is hard to believe, and yet...

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    I think xenoestrogens are things like BPA lining cans and making up the plastic probably in bottled water. Also, dryer sheets. I am looking into wool dryer balls to get away from dryer sheets. It seems we have been truly assaulted by these xenoestrogens. Oh yeah, they are in non-organic chicken and I would assume other non-organic meats. Xenoestrogens are my latest freak out. lol. So I'm eating a lot of fish and thus consuming lots of mercury. It's a very toxic world.

    And I finally allowed myself a glass of wine tonight. I didn't find out until I was pouring it, but the small bottles in 4 packs put out by Sutter Home are now made of plastic. Lovely. So got some BPA with my reveratol tonight. I'm going to write to Sutter Home and complain. Wine belongs in glass bottles!

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Yes, xenoestrogens are hormone disrupters like BPA and methylparaben.  Very bad stuff.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Yes, xenoestrogens are hormone disrupters like BPA and methylparaben.  Very bad stuff.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    & I use bottled spring water almost entirely.  the water here is leaded since the pipes burst my first winter here in 1974, & at the studio the pipes are plastic &don;t burst but.......for years I went up the mt & brought back water from the spring there (in used plastic) I could do that again & transfer it to glass, but......bear, probably lion.....old me......& the water at the studio is also often sandy............

    gonna google that phytochemicals again for that sulfer compound

    hot springs, well this has been known since roman times, but I think the nearest one to here is arkansaw.  & my home town had them.  well that life would surely have been different

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    It's sulforaphane.  It's found in highest concentration in broccoli sprouts -  I try to eat them twice a day.  

    Can you get a filter for your tap water?  That's better than bottled water, both for you and the planet.  Bottled water often has BPA in it - BPA is used in plastic.   

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    I've thought about it for many years but I'd never change filters & I've heard the water gets worse if you don't

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Yes, it does.  You would need to change your filter every six months.  But honestly, bottled water is not good for you - it is often just tap water that is poured into a bottle (with BPA) and then shipped to you.   Even if it is spring water, the bottles pretty much always have BPA, so you are still getting a healthy dose of BPA.   It's bad for you and for the planet.  Anyway, just think about it - I know you are committed to your health (and a filter is probably cheaper than all that bottled water.)

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    I use mostly poland spring water & Indeed a filter would be cheaper but I know me I wouldn't change the filter........................

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    OK, but Poland Spring definitely uses BPA in their plastic, which is a bummer.  The stuff should be banned.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    the bottom triangles say a "1" which is supposed to be okay.  & the filters would filter out the good minerals, gary takes supplememts for that but I don't do pills either, slippery slope, next oxycotin.  though whoes to say poland or evian doesn;t filter out the minerals..........

    I;ve researched phytochemicals again but need to transcribe the notes before posting here.  meanwhile a flash- walk to the studio

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    dunesleeper:  For the little wine that we drink, we should be able to buy it in a glass bottle with a real cork!  The only problem is, once I open the bottle I can't drink all the wine in one sitting, so I have to wait until I have friends over or it ends up beng used for cooking.

     Funny story...my DIL likes a cheap sweet wine and she always brings it to family gatherings.   My DD only drinks expensive wine with corks, so she went to open the wine DIL brought with a wine opener, not realizing that it had a screw top!  What a reality check for her...lol.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    & what about the brassicas (sp?) supplements? do they heat the stuff to 140 degrees before putting it in capsules or making it into caps??

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