AB blood type and breast cancer

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Digger, you had to come to the rescue, na na na

    VR and the other poster are being argumentative because they are WRONG and are simply challenging whatever because they're bored, that's all 

    You were not on ignore, but come to think of it, that's a mighty good idea Laughing

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited May 2012

    Maud, this is a discussion board. Therefore, it seems possible that at times you, or anyone else for that matter, might have differing opinions of what's "right" and what's not. That's all I was pointing out.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited May 2012

    i think any one who has blood.......is prone to breast cancer

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    I have read the abstract that Maud thinks applies to blood types and breast cancer several times and unless I don't know how to read or accidentally drank spiked Kool Aid... The study she references refers ONLY to ovarian cancer.





    The HARVARD study, published this week is based on the formidable Nurses Health Study, a retrospective study that is going on 40 years strong. My 87 year old beloved mother, a retired nurse, has been participating in the study since its inception. IMHO very important information has been gathered from the study.



    I guess for some of us, the data gathered from the Nurses Health Study is not good enough...



    One can choose what data supports their point of view. They can rely on data that was published decades ago or choose to consider newer information. Likewise, one can choose to accept older data from one journal because they believe THAT journal is more distinguished than the data collected in a newer but in their opinion less reputable journal. BUT, as Daniel Patrick Moynahan once said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.".



    I know very well how to read and NOWHERE in the study referred to by Maud are they discussing data referring to breast cancer. The article's title specifically mentions OVARIAN cancer. Someone has the WRONG facts here....So their opinion is quite debatable!



  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
    Looks like you absolutely want to be right and willing to go this far...I must say I'm disappointed.  You come across as someone well read, but you have just destroyed that impression as far as I'm concerned.  Your interpretation of facts looks more like wishful thinking.  The words are there, black on white, but you're oblivious to them. Happy reading Wink
  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    Maud... Since you are not ignoring me, I am going to try to make this very simple for you. The cancer referred to in the article you cite refers to ovarian cancer and ONLY ovarian cancer. I was diagnosed with MUCINOUS breast cancer. When I want to learn more about mucinous breast cancer, I IGNORE studies pertaining to other types of mucinous cancers relating to other body parts UNLESS the researchers can make a connection to the breast. Mucinous cancer can be found in the pancreas, but has NO RELEVANCE to the treatment of mucinous breast cancer. Similarly, while mucinous breast cancer is classified under ductal breast cancer, because it is rare, the data concerning ductal cancer is not easily transferable to mucinous breast cancer.

  • topless
    topless Member Posts: 74
    edited May 2012

    Jeeez - I read the same misleading crap about "Blood Type Diet" on the Multiple Sclerosis forums that I visit because I have MS and HAD breast cancer.  I say HAD because I had a bilateral mastectomy and with my type of BC I and my doctors concider that puppy cured!   I wish I could say the same about any treatment for MS - there is no cure.  Go to WebMD or Quack Watch.com and read about iffy treatments and/or claims about diseases.  They've already done the research for you. 

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited May 2012

    And another interesting discussion goes down the tubes.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    Topless... I wish you well. The DH's mother lived to 82 years old after being diagnosed with MS in her 50s. I am very aware of all the controversial treatments...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    VR, your intentions on this thread are very clear: to discredit Dr. D'Adamo and any and all related research which doesn't agree with your views on the subject, any excuse you can come up suits your purpose.  It is VERY obvious. 

    topless, don't have to do that, quackwatch is very well represented on this board.

    In fact, the moderators should pay special attention to this issue as they are increasingly making their presence felt

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    I am not trying to discredit anyone. Before today I knew nothing about this topic. The only thing thing I do know is how to research and critically read and understand. And the only thing I can say with absolute certainty is that the studies you provided are extremely outdated and the one that is current is NOT relevant to breast cancer. Based on what I read today, including the study from Harvard makes me feel that I shouldn't loose sleep tonight because my blood type is AB+.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    EXACTLY ! that's what I've been suspecting all along 

    Oh, don't forget to put wax in your ears, Lol 

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    You take pleasure in being sarcastic. Hmmmm...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    No, I pride myself on having a sense of humour especially around those who take themselves too seriously

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    Breast cancer is a serious matter. There are many threads that are humorous here at bco.org. If you want humor, then join us on those threads.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Breast cancer is a serious matter, yes, tell me all about it VR - you know it all and you know best and you're the brightest and you're perfect and always right, of course, did I forget anything ? 

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    And you are still sarcastic.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    And you really want to have the last word do you, I feel sorry.....

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    There is nothing humorous about breast cancer. Absolutely nothing. The only thing more frightening than being diagnosed with breast cancer is trying to understand breast cancer treatment. If you wish to come here, like I do and feel welcomed and embraced by some extraordinary sisters, then leave your snarky comments and sense of humor elsewhere.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    You know, backtracking a bit, I believe you are totally ignoring this study I posted earlier.  I also note that the authors are referring to studies dating back to 1921.  Apparently they are relevant to the experts, aren't they ?  But not good enough for you ?

    Breast cancer incidence in Greek women in relation to ABO blood groups and Rh factor 

    'Alexander in 1921 reported that patients with blood group B and AB were more vulnerable to develop malignancy which can be more aggressive than neoplasms occurring in patients with other blood groups [6]. Aird and Bentall found an association between blood group A and gastric cancer [7]. This was subsequently confirmed by other investigators, which showed a further association between blood group A and pernicious anemia [8-10]. Pandey et al showed an increased frequency of carcinoma of the gallbladder in blood groups A and AB [11]. Specifically regarding breast cancer, Vogel reported that ABO blood groups can potentially influence the prognosis, being an independent prognostic factor [9]. Other groups of investigators have also recognized ABO blood groups as a predisposing or prognostic factor in breast cancer [2,9,12-14]. Previous studies have shown that women with A blood group are generally prone to develop neoplasms with poor prognosis and aggressive biological behavior and that these women represent a significant percentage among breast cancer patients, higher than the actual percentage of A blood group among the general feminine population [10,12,13]. In contrast, women with O blood group may have some "protection" against the development of breast cancer; even when these women have breast cancer, prognosis is usually more favorable [12]. Women with AB blood group have similarities with the A blood group. In contrast, women with B blood group have similarities with women of O blood group, especially when no family history exists. An interesting observation of some investigators is that breast cancer patients with blood group B are at a higher risk of being re-affected by breast malignancy compared with women of other blood groups [15]. This may be partially due to the fact that women with blood group B have better prognosis"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2741482/

    Now, what exactly is your argument again ? 

    ETA: watch your tone it's becoming offensive 

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    My tone is becoming offensive? Hmmmmm...



    The most current studies do not show a correlation.

  • invisible2
    invisible2 Member Posts: 105
    edited May 2012

    Type A negative here

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    The study you did not even bother to look at is dated 2009 and it totally dismantles your argument.

    You are now on IGNORE and don't even bother responding any further.  I can do without your condescending comments and your attempts to discredit me from your high chair

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    The data published in 2011 and 2012 do not show a correlation. An earlier Greek study shows a possible association for A-. The original post asks about AB+.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012

    Breast cancer incidence in Greek women in relation to ABO blood groups and Rh factor

    'Alexander in 1921 reported that patients with blood group B and AB were more vulnerable to develop malignancy which can be more aggressive than neoplasms occurring in patients with other blood groups [6]. Aird and Bentall found an association between blood group A and gastric cancer [7]. This was subsequently confirmed by other investigators, which showed a further association between blood group A and pernicious anemia [8-10]. Pandey et al showed an increased frequency of carcinoma of the gallbladder in blood groups A and AB [11]. Specifically regarding breast cancer, Vogel reported that ABO blood groups can potentially influence the prognosis, being an independent prognostic factor [9]. Other groups of investigators have also recognized ABO blood groups as a predisposing or prognostic factor in breast cancer [2,9,12-14]. Previous studies have shown that women with A blood group are generally prone to develop neoplasms with poor prognosis and aggressive biological behavior and that these women represent a significant percentage among breast cancer patients, higher than the actual percentage of A blood group among the general feminine population [10,12,13]. In contrast, women with O blood group may have some "protection" against the development of breast cancer; even when these women have breast cancer, prognosis is usually more favorable [12]. Women with AB blood group have similarities with the A blood group. In contrast, women with B blood group have similarities with women of O blood group, especially when no family history exists. An interesting observation of some investigators is that breast cancer patients with blood group B are at a higher risk of being re-affected by breast malignancy compared with women of other blood groups [15]. This may be partially due to the fact that women with blood group B have better prognosis"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2741482/

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    Do you think because you use bold font it makes the lack of evidence stronger?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
  • reesie
    reesie Member Posts: 2,078
    edited May 2012

    I know I'll be sorry for this because I usually don't get involved in these squabbles but I still can't get over the post the other day that basically said since I'm not doing IPT that I'm going to die soon and that the chemo I've had so far (which saved my life IMHO) is going to kill me.



    But I think I just found another reason I shouldn't have breast cancer.



    Geez,someone should have told my body.

  • SMG1954
    SMG1954 Member Posts: 14
    edited May 2012

    My dear sisters in suffering



    I am so sorry my initial question led to so many heated arguments. My personality is such that I tend to be more accepting of natural treatments, remedies. What this boils down to is that since food is involved, and only food, you basically have nothing to lose. Personally, I would try to give it a shot, eat more of the foods that are supposed to be highly beneficial and much less or completely avoid the food items on the bad foods list. At least for a while, see if I feel better in a couple of weeks or months. What is the harm? It seems mind boggling to me that people would do chemo, rads, take all kinds of toxic treatments without even blinking but stop short of trying something easy and harmless. But this is just me.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited May 2012

    SMG1954...Without a doubt, maintaining a healthly lifestyle, which includes eating "properly," along with our genetics (which we can't change) is probably beneficial to many of us in the long run.  The only problem with that is that many of us have always maintained a healthy lifestyle and have no history of breast cancer in our family and STILL got breast cancer. 

    I'm also not saying that I dismiss alternative treatment because, ultimately, I did a little of both conventional AND alternative treatment.  There's no right or wrong treatment for anyone.  But what there is out here on the internet is way, way, way too much information to base a treatment decision.  And sisters MUST be astute and be able to interpret what information is relevant.  And, they must be able to understand IF they think the information is relevant, they must decide if the information is relevant to them!

    I just want other sisters who might stumble upon this thread to know the key to unlocking the door to finding what treatment is best for THEM begins with learning how to understand the vast amount of information that is out there.  For the majority of sisters that is a herculean task.  Not impossible, but very formidable.  I hope when others come along and read this thread, it will be enlightening.  Perhaps they will begin to understand and appreciate how messy the task is of finding relevant data.

    I wish you well with your treatment.

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