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  • BeyondMe
    BeyondMe Member Posts: 18
    edited January 2012

    Hi All

    I am glad to find this thread as being newly diagnosed myself this year. DCIS with 7 foci pt IDC and scheduled for surgery in a week's time. I am in Singapore and fully expose to Asian Buddhism since young but only started reading up in recent years the teachings of Thict Nhat Hanh.  The fundamentals of Buddhism is quite the same in Asia, understanding the non self, compassion, mindfulness. Like to share following with you :

    Experiment with water crystals http://pureinsight.org/node/1626 . You can easily find the clip on youtube after reading this. Buddhism is beyond just a religion as in recent years there are scientific findings that demystified some of the teachings of buddhism. I am just excited to share as being exposed to Buddhism from young it was never easy to understand its great teaching.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited January 2012

    I Googled "buddhist meditation brain activity" and this is just a small sample of what popped up.

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=buddhist+meditation+brain+activity&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

    To read more about Buddhist meditation one can check out Access to Insight.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#intro-med

  • Brendatrue
    Brendatrue Member Posts: 1,830
    edited March 2012

    I discovered years ago the writings of J K Zinn and have practiced mindfulness meditation for quite some time. I practiced Tai Chi for a while, and now I am learning beginners' yoga to help with developing further stillness and peace of mind as well as stamina and flexibility. I read with interest some of the recent postings on the "atheist thread," which reminded me of a book that I recently read: How to Be Sick (A Buddhist-Inspired Guide for the Chronically Ill and Their Caregivers), by Toni Bernhard. Bernhard practiced Buddhism for years prior to becoming sick with what many refer to as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I discovered this book in reading more about CFS, my diagnosis since January 2011, following a very difficult chemo experience for mets and a severe case of the flu. Quite the challenge: Three breast cancer adventures and a CFS adventure as well.

    Ah, well. I found the concept of dukkha quite interesting and how the struggle to avoid suffering brings more suffering since dukkha is part of living. And how our mental suffering is often more challenging to understand and learn how to address than our physical suffering. Bernhard's questions about "Who is this 'I' who isn't sick?" and how the concept of "no-fixed-self" helped her to cope with her illness have been helpful. Cultivating compassion for myself--learning more and more about letting go of self-judgment and a lifelong effort for me--is also addressed by Bernhard, as is transforming the isolation that often is a part of living with chronic, severe illness into solitude, a very different experience.

    So...I am still learning how to live this life I have been given and to grow in ways that are still open to me while letting go of the attachments to those ways of being that I have lost. I appreciate the exchange of ideas here and will check back for more.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited March 2012

    welcome Brenda

    Sounds like an interesting book.  I will have to add it to my reading list.

    referencing back to what notself said in January re meditation, I meditatedon-recited the om mani padme hum when I was going through active treatment for my cancer---especially the stereotactic biopsies and the start of radiation.  I think that it really helped me to be calm and the lessening of stress hormones probably helped with my healing in the long run.

  • Brendatrue
    Brendatrue Member Posts: 1,830
    edited March 2012

    Yeah, I certainly agree that creating a mindful, still place is helpful to the body and promotes healing. My meditation words are breathe and peace; I cultivated a habit of holding my breath or breathing in a very shallow manner when stressed early in life and often remind myself to breathe. I also want to focus on creating a space for peace within in spite of the turmoil outside. I once thought I would experience peace of mind/heart/soul when all else was under control in my life, and I learned that the experience of peace is probably most meaningful in the midst of life in chaos, turmoil, conflict, upheaval, or whatever state might be challenging at the time. Thanks for the welcome. I see that this is not a heavily visited thread, but perhaps there will be more insights shared.

  • BeyondMe
    BeyondMe Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2012

    BrendaTrue

    Since I was diagnosed in Jan 2012, my journey for spiritual healing bought me closer to Buddhist teachings. I am learning to appreciate things around me more, so far I love the morning rituals of doing yoga and looking at the beauty of mother nature outside my window. I would love to start on meditation to calm the mind but will take it one step at a time.

    NotSelf - tks for the link hope to start meditation soon...if this is a journey that cannot be avoided, I am living the present moment in the best positive state of mind possible. Tks again!

  • Brendatrue
    Brendatrue Member Posts: 1,830
    edited March 2012

    BeyondMe: Meditating while sitting still has not come easy for me. Of course, I know it is not supposed to be easy, what with the mind's tendency to wander. I am challenged by pain and fatigue, so I have to be careful about my position; sitting in a chair and even lying on my back with legs elevated have become my more manageable meditation positions. And I am fine with meditating for just 15 minutes; I don't have to prove myself by sitting in a position for a l-o-n-g time. I also enjoy walking meditation. I wish you the best as you continue your journey!

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited March 2012

    There are four meditation positions spoken of by the Buddha.

    They are Sitting...Standing...Walking...Lying Down

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2012

    om mani peme hum

    odd.......that you took refuge right before you were diagnosed

    odd I found this today?

    I practice alone but I'm in touch, have been for 45 years with a gelugtpa monastary in nj

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited March 2012

    abigail48.

    Here is a link to a forum you might find interesting.

    http://www.dharmawheel.net/

    For those who are interested in Theravada Buddhism, here is a link to a forum.

    http://www.dhammawheel.com/index.php

    Both forums are run by a gentleman who is providing all of the techinical and hardware support as a form of dana (generosity).

  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2012

    I am really glad there is a spirituality forum here, especially a thread for Buddhists. I've been praciticng for about eight years now. 

    During my biopsy I focused on my breath, and became much calmer during the procedure.

    I think I need to do some regular metta meditations and some tonglen. 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited April 2012

    welcome nibbana

    I am sorry you are having to join us but glad that we are here for you.  we are here but often rather quiet.  I also focused on breath during my biopsy and recited the om mani padme.  I found it was very helpful.  When I did my radiation treatment --which goes by much faster than the biopsy--I focused on breath as well.  I think it helped me with being calmer.

    What is tonglen?  I am unfamiliar with the term.

    Oh and I forgot to say to all, Family Zen retreat is fast approaching in May and this year I am serving as the Tenzo.  I feel honored and a bit intimidated.  I still remember serving as assistant tenzo right after I finished my radiation treatment.  I might not have gotten much sitting done on the retreat but I did get into the mindfulness.

  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2012

    Tonglen is an ancient Tibetan practice. It's also called sending and receiving. It is breathing in all the sickness, and suffering of the world, and breathing out pure, white healing energy. 

    I am going to imagine myself breathing in all of the fear and anxiety I have, and breath out compassion and healing energy. 

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2012

    nibbana,

    I find it interesting that you have selected the Pali, nibbana rather than the Sanskrit, nirvana, which is more often used by the northern schools.  Have you explored the texts of many schools of Buddhism?

  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2012

    Hi notself. 

    Naw, I'm not really into schools and such. Those texts confuse me, lol.

    I just want to purify my mind and cultivate wisdom and compassion. 

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2012

    What are your favorite reads?

  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2012

    Thich Naht Hahn is one of my favorites. I liked Mindfulness in plain English also.

    Jon Kabbat-Zinn's "Whever you go, there you are" is a masterpiece.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited April 2012

    good sickness meditation.........I know several mantras, one 100 syllable, & I met a buddhist train emplayee on amtrack once who recited 1000 syllable mantra every time he made the run, & there was never a fire on his runs.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited April 2012

    I've been saying the 49 days of prayers from the evanz-wentz tibetan book of the dead for levon helm

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited May 2012

    Hi all,

    In less than two weeks, I go off to serve as Tenzo for our Zen retreat weekend.  I am wondering if any of you have a favorite vegetarian and EASY soup recipe you might suggest.  I am still wavering on inclusion of soups but just in case, some ideas would be greatly welcome.

    It is good that I will be Tenzo--this means I will be expected to get off my cushion and into the kitchen which, since I have not sat on my cushion for months, is quite lucky for me!

    best to all.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    don't know if you do beladonnas, but I've been making vegitarian chowder, leeks, mushrooms, tomato, artichoke is good if you have time to boil & cut out the meaty parts, the broth can be used for the base of the soup.  add potato, I excise the eyes so less anyway solanin, then mash the dpotatoes into the soup when they're soft, add fresh lemon juice & curry, I make my own with a spice grinder, add half & half, & re-heat, don''t boil after that is added.  not vegan but that last can be left out.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited May 2012

    I tried to go vegetarian but just didn't feel well on that diet after a couple of months.  I tracked all of my nutrients and was getting plenty of protein but still felt bad.  I eat meat, pork or chicken, about 4 times a week. 

    Vegetarianism is a cultural thing in Buddhism.  In the original teachings the Buddha refused to make it a requirement and to this day in South Asia, monks eat what ever is placed in their bowls.  The Buddha's refusal to condemn meat eating resulted in his cousin leaving the sangha and later trying to assassinate the Buddha.  Even at the beginning it was a contentious subject. 

    The Buddha did forbid monks from eating meat that was specifically killed for the monks meal. If a family was already planning to eat meat, then it was OK for the monk to eat it. (When I use the word monk I also include nuns).

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    tibetans ay:  without meat there is no food.

    It take3s many years to stop craving it, you need to be very motavate  tibatans hir moslems to do the butchering.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited May 2012

    The vegetarian nature of the retreat meals is more an issue of cost control than anyone being particularly wedded to being a vegetarian.

    That the Buddha did not require one to become a vegetarian has always been of interest to me, especially when you contrast the celebratory meals of Tibetan Buddhist to those of Chinese Zen (chan) Buddhists.  When we were attending both sanghas, it made for some interesting conversations.  The introductory lessons on Buddhism at the Chan place ALWAYS equaled no killing with vegetarianism.  I never felt comfortable asking the Abbot how that was reconciled but boy did I want to!

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    on another site when I was first on it a conversation about vegetarianism resulted in banning of one & one left forever.  I did once, but now I don't see why it should be so antithetical.  I guess the idea that ita; wrong to eat other animals, not to say disgusting, we being only 100 percent of the other 99.  I do ear fish sometimes, some dairy & eggs

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited May 2012

    I admire the vegetarian lifestyle in that it is one of compassion for all sentient beings as expressed in the refusal to eat flesh.  I develop compassion when I carry spiders out of the house; release wasps and other insects trapped on our screened porch.  I hand collect caterpillars and other insects in the garden and walk to the edge of the property to release them on bushes. 

    All tremble at violence; all fear death. Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor
    cause another to kill. --- Dhp 129

    There is this very compelling sutta where the Buddha gives a lesson on nutriments.  The title is the Puttamansa Sutta: A Son's Flesh.  The point of the sutta is that intention and comprehension of one's actions is paramount.   http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.063.than.html



     

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited May 2012

    In our house we leave the spiders alone in hopes that they get any stray mosquitos and the like. 

    I think our meat consumption is both intentional and compassionate.  What I buy all comes from our local farmer's market--raised locally, slaughtered humanly, etc.  I pay considerably more for this type of meat and eggs but found I simply could not reconcile practicing compassion with factory farmed animals.

    The harder situation comes when we eat out.   I am confident that the little Senegalese restaurant down the street is not selling me pastured chicken.  And yet, that man needs my support to raise his family.  I extend my compassion to the restaurant owner.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited May 2012

    yeah I carry bugs out, I kept the cricket last summer, he/she was a great sourse of amusement & comfort until he/she left on a reproductive errand that fall.  hope another chooses me this year, now I know enough to knoe what sex it would be

  • Maya2
    Maya2 Member Posts: 468
    edited May 2012

    3monstmama: I haven't been here in a long time and happened on today, reading your post about your mother. We have mothers in common--women who shouldn't have had children. She was so hateful to me when I was diagnosed--and my sister too--I haven't spoken to them in about 10 years. I've wondered how I would handle the news--if I even got the news--that one of them had died or was very sick.

    It is all so complex and difficult. I've divorced myself from the family. And only have one cousin that I still have a relationship with. The rest of the family apparently blames me, or surely they wouldn't ignore me. But there you are. I didn't make the decision haphazardly. This was a long time coming and the BC was the catalyst.

    I have lit a candle for you and understand you must have ambivilent feelings. My mother is 80 and so I know there will come a day when somehow I find out that she is gone. I honestly don't know how I'll feel, but I think I will remain sad that I never had the mother I needed and that I am so broken because of it. We can only do the best we can, and sometimes it's difficult to know what that is.

    Sending a hug.

  • Maya2
    Maya2 Member Posts: 468
    edited May 2012

    I too, capture most insects in a glass and escort them out of my flat. Mosquitoes would be the exception (I'm very allergic and the bites are enormous), but everyone else gets carried out in one piece.

    I'm almost a vegetarian. No red meat for more than 20 years. Small amounts of chicken and fish, 2 servings per week. Everything else is veggie.

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