Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life

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  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2012

    As far as I am concerned, I have seen enough proof that an anti-cancer diet reduces the risk of recurrence.  Of course, it doesn't eliminate the risk completely - nothing does that.  But it is helpful enough to be totally worthwhile, in my opinion. Plus, you have all the benefits that go along with a healthy diet and exercise program - lower body fat, more energy, decreased risk of heart disease, etc.

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited April 2012

    I'm reading the book now ... it's great.  He survived 19 years with an aggressive form of brain cancer!  That says something!  He talks about a lot of stuff and frequently includes results of studies on breast cancer patients.  I find it very interesting when he talks about changing ones "terrain;" also, about feelings of hopelessness and feeling alone and how that affects the K fighter cells (immune system).

    Well worth reading!  He lived it and lucky for us, shared his experience! 

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited April 2012

    I forgot to mention, his last book was good as well, called "Not the Last Goodbye." 

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2012

    Oh, wow, totally wow.  I wasn't aware he'd written another book after Anticancer.  I'm going to request it from the library right away.  I had read his 'Instinct to Heal' as well.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited April 2012

    Got the AntiCancer book before my BMX in December, but wasn't really into reading it while recovering.

    I thought I was eating pretty healthy before, but I knew I could do better.

    I didn't have rads or chemo, but last month I did start the Optifast program at Kaiser. I have four shakes, one soup, and one nutritional bar a day.

    They call it a "vacation from food" while participants learn to make healthy meal choices.

    I call it my breast cancer treatment, as I will be losing 50 pounds of estrogen-producing body fat. I am off all my meds except for thyroid. (Will start Arimidex in the Fall)

    I also call it my "food detox", because try as I might, white sugar and white flour just seem to sneak into my diet, and I didn't have the energy to fight back. I am vigilant about processed foods and preservatives, though.

    I'll be reintroducing foods into my diet starting in July. I will definitely re-read the book before then. The VitaMix blender will be getting a real workout, too.

    In the meantime, I am steadily losing weight, gaining energy and strength to work out, and for some reason, everyone is telling me how wonderful my skin looks !?!?!?!?!

    Also - and I find this QUITE interesting - my fibromyalgia pain has decreased to the point where I don't really notice it any more. Coincidence? I don't think so! Cool

  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited May 2012

    I love this book, too - my BS recommended it to me during my surgical phase of treatment.  My whole family read it.

    I agree that cancer is a cr*pshoot and there's nothing we can do that will guarantee we won't have a recurrence.  Partly this is because our individual actions are not enough - we're all exposed to numerous carcinogens on a daily basis, via air, water, food, cars, products, etc., without our consent and often without our knowledge.  So, pushing for stronger governmental regulation/elimination of toxic chemicals is important.

    I, too, was one of those people that was dx'd with BC at age 30 despite the fact that I had no family history, exercised regularly, was vegetarian for the previous 9 years, had a healthy BMI, never smoke or drank, used natural bodycare products and cleaning products, and bought the majority of my groceries at the local health food store.  Part of me thought, "SCREW IT, a healthy diet and lifestyle obviously doesn't prevent cancer, so I might as well keep on with the ice cream sundaes!!"  But then it occurred to me that I could reduce my recurrence risk by altering my diet and lifestyle in specific ways that were NEW to me.

    For example - instead of just thinking, "But I ate a lot of vegetables already and still got cancer!!", I now specifically eat lots of the anti-cancer vegetables, like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and brussels sprouts, instead of just random vegetables.  Instead of just thinking, "But I took vitamin C and had a high antioxidant level!", I got a new list of which anti-cancer supplements and vitamins to take, and raised my vitamin D levels from a 13 to a 77.  Etc!  Because if all of the healthy things I was eating and doing before weren't enough to prevent cancer, then instead of just doing more of the same, I should eat and do NEW healthy things.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    If we had a ((((LIKE))))) button, I'd put them all around Raili's post.  So well said, thank you.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited May 2012

    Seriously.  Awesome post, Raili!

  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited May 2012

    Aww, thanks, sunflower and sweetbean!!

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited June 2012

    I just listened to Anti-Cancer on audiobook. What I'd like to know is, how much would following the book's recommendations reduce recurrence risk? Does it cut it in half, by a quarter...more? less? And does following the recommendations in part produce any result, or is it an "all-or-nothing" deal?

    One of the books I read talked about making treatment choices in terms of how much absolute reduction in risk there would be. If one's chance of recurrence is (say) 30%, I think many of us would consider it worthwhile to follow a treatment plan that would reduce that risk by half or a quarter, but the same person might decide against it if recurrence risk is already low even without the treatment. Fifteen percentage points of reduction is worth a significant effort...one or two points, maybe not so much. I think I will look at the book's recommendations the same way. I won't know until after my onc appointment next week how high my recurrence risk is, but if it's already quite low with the standard treatment, is it worth turning my whole life upside down (which I'd have to do, to follow all of the recommendations) for a point or two more? I don't know.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    I turned my whole life upside down with this lifestyle and have no regrets.  I'm ten pounds thinner, have more energy, and the studies regarding diet and exercise are very promising.  However, trying to suss out how many percentage points this strategy will get you is a difficult task.  You will always find people that were Stage III, had nothing but surgery, didn't change a thing, kept on eating red meat,  and died of old age.  You will also find people that did everything "right," vegan, juicing, changing everything right down to their detergent, and still die of BC.  Personally, I think it is worth it.   But it's no guarantee - just like chemo is no guarantee.  

    Regular exercise has been found to reduce recurrance risk by 50%.  And obesity and metastasis have been linked -there was an article in the paper about it yesterday. 

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited June 2012

    Personally I think it's great for so many reasons to live a healthy lifestyle, food, excercise and  all---but be realistic it won't prevent BC or much else. My dad did everything wrong--he died at 96--On the other hand my mom did everything right she died at 88--my sister does everything like my mom--She got BC 4 months after me with mets now and I did everything wrong and I got BC--so again crapshoot I guess.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited June 2012

    My naturopath had a study that said exercise/diet....but ESPECIALLY exercise.....was just as effective as Tamox.  

    Just the benefits of exercise and clean diet is enough for me to do it.  I want to live long sure, but i want to feel good living long..... 

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited June 2012

    @Shayne...Anti-Cancer advocates using the nutritional and other practices in the book in addition to standard treatments, not instead of them. Does the study compare exercise + diet to tamoxifen, or exercise + diet + tamoxifen to tamoxifen alone? What I want to know is whether exercise + diet provide any benefit over and above tamoxifen by itself, and if so, how much?

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Yes, I believe that they do, but I don't know if actual studies have been done comparing all the factors that you want to see.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Curveball, what is your diet and lifestyle like now?  Are you overweight?  Do you exercise?  Just trying to gauge how much work this would be for you.   There are no silver bullets with cancer.  I highly recommend the anti-cancer lifestyle, but it's not for everyone, and it doesn't work for everyone, either.

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited June 2012

    @ sweetbean, it would require drastic change in many areas.

    I am almost completely sedentary. My job is working at a desk/computer; at the moment I am out on sick leave, but will be going back to work part-time/telecommuting starting Wednesday. Most of my other activities are things like reading or crafts or dinking around on the computer, none of which require much in the way of physical activity. I do enjoy gardening and don't mind walking to get from one place to another. I'm strongly thinking of retiring rather than returning to work full time (I was planning to retire in less than a year anyway). If I do, I'll have more time to do both. However, the climate in this part of the country is only conducive to outdoor activity about seven months out of the year--from November thru March you can pretty much count on chilly, rainy weather. 

    I'm not overweight, but to put Anti-Cancer into practice, I would have to stop eating most of the foods I now eat and substitute something else. I don't know if I could maintain my current weight eating a vegetable-based diet.

    I don't practice any type of meditation at all, and I have serious doubts about whether the type of Eastern/Eastern-like meditation described in the book is compatible with Christian faith.

    I have forgotten what was the fourth category in addition to diet, exercise and stress reduction, but whatever it was, I would have to make significant changes there too, in order to follow the book's recommendations. 

    As I wrote in another thread, I have my doubts about whether the risk reduction from doing all of this would outweigh my already-existing risk factors (e.g. dense breasts, late menopause). If the effect of such drastic changes in so many areas of life is less than the risk factors I cannot change, is it worth the effort?

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited June 2012

    Hmmm...ok, interesting.  First, I would say that beginning some sort of regular exercise program would be beneficial for you on a number of levels.  That would be where I would start.  Walking briskly for 30 minutes 4 days a week has been found to be very beneficial for BC patients, as has yoga. 

    As for diet, maybe just make a few changes - like going with organic meat and dairy and replacing white rice with brown rice.  Try to find healthier, low sugar options for dessert that are NOT processed - i.e., stuff sweetened with Splenda doesn't count.  (I started a thread called Anti-Cancer Diet: Recipes on the Alternative Forum - lots of good recipes up there already.)  And maybe choose two evenings a week to go meatless and explore some other meal plans.  Try to reduce unhealthy fats, such as cheese and butter - replace them with olive oil.

    I am a Christian and I meditate every day.  For me, it is just another form of silent prayer and a way to commune with God.  That's the thing about meditation - it doesn't have to be one way or the other.  You can spend time meditating on a favorite Bible passage that inspires you - I like Jeremiah 29.   I also like to meditate outside so I can connect with the created world.  Very spiritual and moving.

    No one way of living is a silver bullet against cancer - if it were, we'd all be doing it.  But certainly the Anti-Cancer diet/lifestyle will benefit you in numerous ways and reduce your risk of all sorts of other illnesses, such as diabetes and heart disease. 

    I think it is worth the effort, but that's just me.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited June 2012

    We can't for the most part know if the effort will be worth it in terms of cancer because we are all different and our cancers are different. But if the changes make you feel better/ increase your quality of life (as in my case) then that's a reason to stick with it, i.e., the intervention probably is working.

  • fad60
    fad60 Member Posts: 26
    edited August 2012

    I am just finishing up my chemo treatments and will be starting on Tamoxifen shortly along with radiation.  Just wondering if anyone knows if there is a brand of the drug that is both gluten and dairy free?  I have celiac disease and am also lactose intolerant.  

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2012

    I agree about the crap shoot. However, with cancer and its treatment I have become extremely aware of QOL issues, and it seems to me that a healthy diet and exercise, even if it does not ward off the cancer permanently, can significantly improve my QOL with or without cancer.



    Because I had an ooph and am on femara, I have, among other fun stuff, joint pain and an increased risk of high cholesterol and osteoporosis. Diet/exercise can help with all of that. This being just one example. If it helps delay a cancer recurrence as well, even better.



    Which brings me to another point. People often argue against XYZ strategy by saying that it is not a cure, not a sure thing. There is no sure thing with cancer at this point, and it is highly likely that cancer will eventually kill me. However, it makes a huge difference to me if it takes cancer 20 years to kill me rather than 2, so I will do whatever may help hold it at bay for as long as possible.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Coming soon, a movie about the good doctor "A matter of Life"

    http://chrisbeatcancer.com/a-matter-of-life-sneak-peak-trailer/

    "There is no sure thing with cancer at this point, and it is highly likely that cancer will eventually kill me. However, it makes a huge difference to me if it takes cancer 20 years to kill me rather than 2, so I will do whatever may help hold it at bay for as long as possible"

    Very well said Momine Wink 

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited August 2012

    Great news about the movie.  I didn't know about his other book so I will have to look it up.

     My favourite part of his regimine.....Dark Chocolate.  I am having my rationed amount of 85% right now. 

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2012

    Thank you Ruby.

    Liked the part in the trailer where he states in response to the question whether this is all about an anti-cancer diet and he said, it is more about anti-cancer body. I'm into eating kale at the moment (bought a great new book) and I've also planted some kale seeds in a small flower garden. I was out weeding this afternoon around the sprouts and it felt so relaxing digging in the dirt with my fingers. Then after washing up I came up here and looked at the trailer, and being still aware and in the present I'm heading out for a walk.

    If anyone hasn't already read this book, do it. It's a new way of life.

    Kathryn

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited August 2012

    I just don't eat the stuff at parties if it doesn't fit in my diet.  I always offer to bring something, which hosts are usually cool with.  I stick to the fruit plate, the veggie plate, and nuts.  If I do break my diet, I have about three chips - I keep it really, really small.  

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited August 2012

    Soltantio - I usually try to eat more vegetarian at parties.  I always offer to bring a large salad for every dinner party I go to.  I try to add some type of beans or nuts to the salad so there is a little protein in it for me. I also try to use spinach so it is more healthy than just lettuce.  This works for me.  I usually tell people I eat more vegetarian/no dairy.  My close friends that know about my BC usually accomodate even if I tell them I am fine with veggies...they usually get hormone free chicken anyway but since we moved last year out of state, most of my new friends don't all know so I just go vegetarian/no dairy.  If we go to a party with snack foods - I bring apple slices with carmel dip (for them...I don't eat the dip), hummus and veggies, popcorn popped in EVOO, organic tortilla chips with some type of bean dip or salsa or a bruschetta made on whole grain toasted bread.  Sometimes I eat some protein before I go in case it's only veggies I can eat there. 

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited August 2012

    @soltantio, I had already done the "easy" changes, like switching from white rice to brown, before I was diagnosed. The changes remaining, for me anyway, do not fall into the "painless" category. Eliminate white sugar and replace it with what? Force myself to spend an hour a day (or even half an hour), every day, for the rest of my life, doing something I don't want to do (exercise)? Replace foods I like a lot, and could potentially grow for myself (white potatoes), with foods I don't like as much and can't grow in this climate (sweet potatoes)? On and on and on. That is what I meant that following the AntiCancer recommendations would require turning my life upside down, and I still don't know whether the results would be at all proportionate with the effort required, in terms of absolute benefit.

    @sweetbean, I was already following an eating program for weight control before I got diagnosed, and have the same difficulty with parties. I give myself one "day off" a month, when I let myself eat anything I feel like, because I knew before I started that if I had to choose between stuffing and pie on Thanksgiving or Christmas, I would never stick to the program. With the day off, I was able to lose the weight and have kept it off for something like ten years. Since I'm an introvert and don't much enjoy most parties anyway, the main thing I do about parties is that I usually don't go. If I have to go, I either make that my "day off" and don't worry about what I'm eating, or eat the few things I can at the party and have my main meal beforehand or afterwards at home. That strategy probably wouldn't work for a sit-down dinner party. In that case, you might be able to explain your eating choices as being for medical reasons (no further details required). I think everyone knows someone who is a diabetic or is lactose intolerant or has a food allergy, and avoids certain foods for that reason. I don't know if you are familiar with "Miss Manners" but this is similar to a question I remember from her book. I think the person who asked was a vegetarian, but the answer would be the same. Her advice was just to keep saying "no, thank you" if you are pressed to eat food, which for any reason you don't want to eat. After a "no thank you" or two, if someone keeps pushing you to eat, they are the rude one, not you.

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited August 2012

    @soltantio, if you are going to a dinner party and doubt there will be anything there you can eat, eat enough to tide you over before you go, or as you say, only stay a little while.

    If I find a physical activity I enjoy for its own sake, I'll do it. I park four blocks away from my doctor's office because all the closer parking is limited to two hours. I don't mind walking if I need to get from one place to another, it's walking or running around in a circle from one place back to the same place that I don't want to do. One activity I do like is gardening. I haven't had the time or energy lately, and the garden in my townhouse was too shady to grow vegetables, but yes, I have grown potatoes and many other veggies in the past, and I grew flowers in my shady townhouse courtyard. If you have never had homegrown new potatoes you are missing a treat.I am planning to retire within the next year so I will have more time to do those kind of things, and I am looking for a place that is better for growing veggies, and more bike-friendly than where I lived up until recently or my mom's house where I am staying now, so I can cycle on some of my trips instead of driving. But I am not going to run out and then run back to where I started, run run run to nowhere, like a hamster in a wheel! You suggested things that are easy to you, but what makes you think they are painless to everyone--or anyone--else? You drink smoothies, made out of things I've never tasted in my life, barely even know what they are, and have no knowledge at all of how to prepare them! Changing my diet to that extent is not what I would call painless, and might result in my putting back on all the weight I lost and have kept off for ten years, which would definitely increase my risk for cancer.

    Besides, as you say, there's you plus dozens or maybe even hundreds of other women here who "did everything right", including the stuff I don't want to do, and got breast cancer anyway. I have pretty much come to the same conclusion as you have: "doing some of it is better than doing none of it". So if I do anything, it will be what is painless for me, not someone else's idea of what's easy, and leave the rest of it alone.

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited August 2012

    Soltantio,

    I had some practice with eating restrictions because I was severely allergic to dairy when I was younger.   Swelling in my mouth and throat, that kind of thing.  I would just say no.  I definitely got tired of explaining it repeatedly, but that's what I did.  I also tried never to get myself in the situation of being hungry and at the mercy of what was being served at a party or event.  I would eat beforehand, take something small and surreptitious but calorie dense for myself, that kind of thing.  

    Now, if pressed to eat something that I no longer eat, I just make a little fun of myself and say something like "I eat really weird now" so that it's clear that I'm putting the blame for the situation on myself.  Seems to work OK.  If someone wants more info about why I'm eating a bunch of mushrooms, I tell them.  If I'm invited to dinner at a friend's, we talk about what I DO eat more than the don't's.  If something seems fine to me to eat, I'll eat a lot of it.  

    I lost 20% of my body weight during chemo and for a while after really had a battle to hold onto my remaining body fat, which wasn't much.  I ate constantly.  Got in the habit of taking a bagful of fresh snacks everywhere.  It's time consuming, but I do it.

    Hope this is useful for you.  

    My big challenge has been making time to meditate.  

      

  • Natkat
    Natkat Member Posts: 75
    edited August 2012

    Replacements for sugar

    Raw honey real maple syrup agave lots of fruit.

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