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  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Now, a new wrinkle.  Core biopsy March 15. DCIS Stage 0 Grade 1.  Then the delays started.  Had to wait a while until my surgeon got back from Vacation.  She set a lumpectomy date for April 17.  She postponed this to April 24, tomorrow.  Over this past weekend I developed the worst toothache I have ever had.  Saw my dentist and he sent me to a specialist.  Tonight, tried a root canal that will not work because the tooth is split and cannot be repaired so it has to be extracted tomorrow.  Getting an emergency appointment.

    Surgery postponed again until probably next week.  So my question is: are these delays from March 15 to about May 1 going to allow my cancer to invade other tissue.  This waiting is driving my crazy.  This time I am the caused but it is unavoidable.  Is this something new for me to worry about?

     

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Curious about this type of radiation as well.  Hope more people respond.....

  • Cherilynn64
    Cherilynn64 Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2012

    Info,

     If you have DCIS, you have more time to schedule surgery than those of us who had IDC. I had both DCIS and IDC. When you had the biopsy if it showed DCIS only, that is probably what you are still dealing with. Anything is possible and can happen, but probably not within 6 weeks. And I know it seems long....but in reality, it's 6 weeks is all and it's more than likely DCIS.

    I had IDC and even though that's invasive, I had very clean margins and no evidence that it spread past the local area where the tumor. The final pathology ccnfirmed this. So even if you also developed IDC, it's just not likely that it would spread that fast. I had my lump since August 2010 and did not get diagnosed till Jan 6, 2012. A year and a half. Please don't worry...I know it's hard not to, but try to rememer your tumor is contained and they will hopeully get clean margins and all will be fine.

    I'm sorry about your tooth but glad you got that taken care of. Better to get anything like that done before breast cancer surgery, so that was the best way to go.

    The big question is how are thing with your surgeon's office? Have you gotten any more info? They rescheduled you so you did talk to them. How did it go? Do you still feel comfortable with this surgeon?

    Cheri 

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Cherilynn64

    I received my biopsy in the mail today and it confirmed what I believed to be true.  Stage 0, Grade 1 and all the suspect tissue removed by the core biopsy.  So I guess there is no reason to panic.

    Just got back from the dentist.  The molar had to be cut out becasue of the long strong roots that had no intention of being moved.  It was seeded with bone for later implant.  Face all swollen up like a cartoon.

    I was reminded of a motto of One Day at a Time.  When we have a long haul ahead of us, we only need to deal with today.  I can deal with this.  Surgery once again set up for May 1.  Hopefully, I will be through by the middle of May.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2012

    Infobabe: Thanks for starting this thread.  I will be finishing chemo in six weeks and need to start thinking about chemo.  I had my RO appointment just days after my lumpectomy but before I knew I was going to have chemo (and them my chemo plan changed drastically when my Oncotype score came back really high).  My RO stated 30 rounds of radiation like it was standard and typical; I was still in a state of shock and didn't know there might have been options so I didn't ask any questions way back when.  I am worried about my ability to actually do all six weeks of radiation - the time commitment will be difficult, and it will end just a few days before I return to work/school/internship, with no time for recuperation.

    I'm going to call my RO (who is affiliated with UM hospitals, so I'm hoping this gives me an edge) and ask for another consult to see if brachytherapy is an option.  Thanks so much to everyone who shared their experience; from what I've read here and in research studies, I'm not sure why this isn't used more often.  I had no node involvement, my lump is on the right side of my left breast towards the center of my chest, and was deep near the chest wall.  They "hope" to do everything to keep the radiation away from my heart and lungs but can't promise anything.  Wouldn't internal therapy avoid some of those problems?

    Nancy

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Nancy, you are brave and you have the best doctors at the University of Michigan.  I hope you have a good suport system. 

    You say school and internship.  How old are you, if you don't mind mentioning?  You can send me a private message though personal details are OK here.

  • Cherilynn64
    Cherilynn64 Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2012

    Nancy, I have asked the same question you did - why aren't more women getting bracytherapy? When I first got on this board to ask about others' experiences with brachytherapy, I could hardly find any. My breast surgeon is the one who told me I was a candidate and sent me to the RO who said yes I was till the age issue came up - luckly that got resolved, whew. But one of my first posts on these forums was in the help me get through radiation treatment area and I said, what is the reason most of you aren't getting this done? Most said it just wasn't an option near them. My RO office does 1/3 business from out of state patients. People fly all over to come here - some days I was the only Arizona car in the parking lot. 

    The one reason some insurance companies won't pay for it is actually twofold: if you are under 50, they say your cancer is more aggressive and more apt to come back so they want whole breast radaiation. The other part to that is that it hasn't been studied for 20 years which is where more longitudinal studies like to have it before they consider it a failure or success. It's close - within a few years it will be standard. And then there's the newest option in trials now which is the one time radiation dose done right after your tumor is removed. Someone on this forum already had that done, now that is an advancement!

    They do offer clinical trials for brachytherapy if your insurance won't pay, but you have a 50% chance of being assigned external radiation. It is so well worth it if you qaulify, so please do pursue it. My only question for you is why are they doing radiation now since it's been so long since your lumpectomy? I was told I had a window of 5 to 8 days max to get the catheter placed afetr the lumpectomy and radiation had to be done right away.

    Cheri 

  • Cherilynn64
    Cherilynn64 Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2012

    Info, oh heck yes, that does sound like as good of news that you can get! I'd definitely worry about the tooth first!

    Whew.....like you needed any more bad news. Glad the biopsy results show stage 0 and grade 1 and the suspect tissue gone. That is superb!

    Cheri 

  • auntienance
    auntienance Member Posts: 4,216
    edited April 2012

    Cheri, my catheter wasn't placed for 3 Weeks after my lumpectomy because of a scheduling problem with my surgeon. They do like to place it before the incision is healed, but apparently it's not an absolute requirement. It was placed on a Thursday and I began radiation the next Monday.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2012

    Cheri:  I had to do chemo before radiation - and at the time of my surgery I did not know about bracytherapy so didn't know it might have been an option and so I didn't have any catheter placed.  If I find out now that it was an option and no one offered it to me, I'm going to be very upset.  Originally I was only going to have to do 4xTC, but after my Onco score came back it changed to 20 weeks of chemo; I'll finish on May 24. 

    I'm afraid that I'm going to end up forgoing radiation because I just can't make the time commitment.  And with my aggressive tumor I know that's not a good idea - but it's a total Catch-22 for me, and now I'm getting pissed off.

    I saw the clinical trial with randomization, which said it could be done before or after chemo, but not during, so maybe there's still a chance?  I'd take that chance on being randomized, I suppose - that's how I ended up doing dd 6xT.

    Thanks for your input - I'll call the RO later today and see what they say.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2012

    Oops, sorry, I was mistaken - the clinical trial out of Ireland says "sequential chemo" so I guess I don't qualify for it now.  :-(  I wish I had known about this option before.  I am so broken-hearted.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Here is an uplifting story from a survivor that I think anyone just starting out can benefit.

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/67/topic/786234?page=1#post_2979140

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for all of your help here - and for lending a listening ear and a shoulder to kvetch on.  I wish I could have had a chance at internal radiation, but it won't work for me.  But this thread has provided so much important information that I can share with several friends who may benefit - thank you so much!  And good luck to everyone, whichever path your radiation journey takes you.  *hugs*

  • poohstix
    poohstix Member Posts: 4
    edited April 2012

    An older lady probably in her early 70s at my church had a lumpectomy 3 years ago and had the balloon radiation.  This year a new cancerous tumor showed up right next to the area where the old tumor was.  They did a lumpectomy, which I thought on a second tumor wasn't an option and now are asking her about doing a masectomy.  She has been very upset about the whole experience.  I had really wanted to have the balloon radiation but wasn't a candidate due to being younger than 60.  Good luck with your decisions and sorry for all the trials and tribulations but maybe it's been for a reason.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2012

    I ripped this off of breastcancer.org's website:

    Many Women Treated with Brachytherapy Aren't Good Candidates

    2011-12-19T02:30:00-04:00


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    Radiation therapy commonly is used after lumpectomy to treat early-stage breast cancer and reduce the risk of the cancer coming back (recurrence). Brachytherapy is a newer form of radiation therapy and an alternative to traditional whole-breast external beam radiation therapy. Brachytherapy delivers a higher dose of radiation to a smaller area of the breast over a shorter period of time compared to traditional (external beam) radiation therapy. Doctors sometimes refer to brachytherapy as accelerated partial breast irradiation (APBI). In the United States, brachytherapy use has been increasing steadily since it was first approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2002.

    A large study has found that many women who were treated with brachytherapy were not good candidates for that form of radiation therapy based on the characteristics of the breast cancer with which they were diagnosed. These women may have been better treated with traditional whole breast radiation instead.

    The results were published in the Dec. 16, 2011 online edition of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

    Traditional external beam radiation therapy aims cancer-destroying energy at the whole breast or to the area of the breast where the cancer was. The source of the radiation is outside the breast, which is why it's called "external beam." Many studies have shown the long- and short-term effectiveness of external beam radiation therapy. The drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy include daily trips to the hospital for treatments -- typically 5 days a week for 4 to 6 weeks. Traditional radiation therapy also has a large field and may expose healthy tissue, such as the heart and lungs, to radiation.

    To overcome the drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy, doctors have developed different ways to deliver radiation. Brachytherapy places the radiation source inside the breast. Two types of brachytherapy are used right now and another is experimental. They are:

    • Multi-catheter internal radiation, also called interstitial needle-catheter brachytherapy. This approach uses radioactive "seeds" to deliver radiation directly to the area where the cancer was. The seeds are placed in very small tubes (catheters) that are stitched into place under the skin. The seeds are left in the tubes for a few hours or a few days. You remain in the hospital during treatment. Once the treatment is completed, the seeds, tubes, and stitches are removed and you go home.
    • Balloon internal radiation, known by the brand name MammoSite. This approach places a special tube with a balloon on one end in the breast where the cancer was. The tube comes out of the skin through a small hole. The tube and balloon are placed either during lumpectomy or afterward in a surgeon's office. During each treatment, a machine places a radioactive seed into the center of the balloon for 5 to 10 minutes -- just long enough to deliver the required dose of radiation. After the seed is removed, you may leave the treatment center. A total of 10 treatments are usually given over 5 days. That means two treatments per day, about 6 hours apart. When the final treatment is done, the balloon and tube are removed through the small hole in the skin.
    • 3-D conformal external beam radiation (3DCRT). This experimental approach starts with a planning session (simulation). A special MRI or CAT scan of the breast is done and is used to map out small treatment fields for the area at risk. The type and distribution of radiation is designed to maximize the dose to the area that needs to be treated and avoid or minimize radiation to tissue near the area. The radiation is delivered with a linear accelerator, the same machine used in traditional external radiation, twice a day for 1 week.

    In 2009 a panel of experts from the American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO) developed guidelines to help doctors decide which women are good candidates for brachytherapy. The ASTRO brachytherapy guidelines classify patients into one of three groups:

    • suitable
    • cautionary
    • unsuitable

    ASTRO brachytherapy classification is based on a number of cancer characteristics, including:

    • cancer size: the larger the cancer, the more unsuitable brachytherapy is
    • cancer type: lobular cancers are less suitable for brachytherapy than ductal cancers
    • cancer hormone receptor status: hormone-receptor-negative cancers are less suitable for brachytherapy
    • cancer in the blood vessels, lymph channels, and lymph nodes: cancers that involve blood vessels or lymph tissue are less suitable for brachytherapy
    • number of breast tumors: cancers with multiple clusters or tumors of cancer cells in different locations in the breast (multi-focal) are less suitable for brachytherapy

    Researchers looked at the medical records of nearly 139,000 women treated with radiation therapy after surgery for early-stage breast cancer. The records were in a national health database called SEER (Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results). All the women were treated sometime between 2000 and 2007, before the ASTRO brachytherapy guidelines were released in 2009.

    About 2.6% of the women got brachytherapy. The brachytherapy suitability of each of these women was classified using the 2009 ASTRO guidelines.

    For the women who got brachytherapy, the researchers found:

    • 66% were classified as either "cautionary" or "unsuitable" for brachytherapy
    • only 34% were classified as "suitable"

    Even though the women in the study were treated with brachytherapy before the ASTRO guidelines were developed, the results suggest that many women unsuitable for brachytherapy are getting brachytherapy. This possibility is more of a concern because brachytherapy use has continued to increase since 2007 when the last of the patients in this study were treated.

    Findings from another large study suggest that brachytherapy may not be as effective as whole-breast radiation therapy at reducing recurrence risk. Women in that study who got brachytherapy after lumpectomy for early-stage breast cancer were nearly twice as likely to later have a mastectomy because of cancer recurrence compared to women who got traditional whole-breast radiation therapy. That study also found that treatment complications -- such as rib fracture, breakdown of fat in the breast (fat necrosis), breast pain, and inflammation in the lungs -- were more likely among women treated with brachytherapy. Some of these higher complication rates may be because brachytherapy requires a device to be implanted under the skin.

    Besides being a quicker way to deliver radiation therapy, many doctors like brachytherapy because the radiation delivery is focused, potentially avoiding exposing healthy tissue to radiation. Even though brachytherapy is becoming more popular, experts continue to warn that right now there's not enough evidence to confidently conclude that brachytherapy is as effective and safe as traditional whole-breast radiation therapy.

    The studies discussed here suggest that this caution makes sense. Still, some experts feel that the results reflect early use of brachytherapy and that doctors are now better at using brachytherapy more effectively and safely. Several very large, well-designed studies are currently being done to evaluate the short-term and long-term effectiveness and safety of brachytherapy compared to traditional whole-breast radiation therapy. It will be several years before the results are available.

    If you've been diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer, are having lumpectomy, and will be receiving radiation therapy after surgery, you and your doctor may consider brachytherapy as an alternative to traditional external beam radiation therapy. Perhaps the daily trips to the treatment center would be a burden because of distance. Talk to your doctors about their experience with brachytherapy compared to traditional radiation therapy. You also may want to ask about their familiarity with the technical aspects of delivering brachytherapy since placement of the catheters or balloon is a skill that can take some time to master. It also makes sense to ask about your suitability for brachytherapy based on the 2009 ASTRO guidelines.

    The Breastcancer.org Radiation Therapy section has more information on both traditional external beam radiation therapy and brachytherapy

    Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic!  Hmmm...Really?....Okay!    2/10 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15,   Stage 1, Grade 1,  1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes,  ER+ 90% PR+ 70% HER2- (+1) [Edit][Delete]
    voraciousre...
    Joined: Jun 2010
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    43 minutes agovoraciousreader wrote:

    and this comes from breastcancer.org as well:

    Brachytherapy May Not Be as Effective as Whole-Breast Radiation in Reducing Recurrence Risk

    2011-12-06T06:30:00-04:00


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    Radiation therapy commonly is used after lumpectomy to treat early-stage breast cancer and reduce the risk of the cancer coming back (recurrence). Brachytherapy is a newer form of radiation therapy and an alternative to traditional whole-breast external beam radiation therapy. Brachytherapy delivers a higher dose of radiation to a smaller area of the breast over a shorter period of time compared to traditional (external beam) radiation therapy. Doctors sometimes refer to brachytherapy as accelerated partial breast irradiation (APBI).

    Brachytherapy use has been increasing steadily since it was first approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2002. Still, many experts have been concerned about the increase because there aren't many long-term studies that show that brachytherapy works as well as traditional radiation therapy.

    Now results from a large study suggest that brachytherapy may not be as effective as whole-breast radiation therapy at preventing breast cancer recurrence. Women in the study who got brachytherapy after lumpectomy for early-stage breast cancer were nearly twice as likely to later have a mastectomy because of cancer recurrence compared to women who got traditional whole-breast radiation therapy.

    The results were presented at the 2011 San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium.

    Traditional external beam radiation therapy aims cancer-destroying energy at the whole breast or to the area of the breast where the cancer was. The source of the radiation is outside the breast, which is why it's called "external beam." Many studies have shown the long- and short-term effectiveness of external beam radiation therapy. The drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy include daily trips to the hospital for treatments -- typically 5 days a week for 4 to 6 weeks. Traditional radiation therapy also has a large field and may expose healthy tissue, such as the heart and lungs, to radiation.

    To overcome the drawbacks of traditional radiation therapy, doctors have developed different ways to deliver radiation. Brachytherapy places the radiation source inside the breast. Two types of brachytherapy are used right now and another is experimental. They are:

    • Multi-catheter internal radiation, also called interstitial needle-catheter brachytherapy. This approach uses radioactive "seeds" to deliver radiation directly to the area where the cancer was. The seeds are placed in very small tubes (catheters) that are stitched into place under the skin. The seeds are left in the tubes for a few hours or a few days. You remain in the hospital during treatment. Once the treatment is completed, the seeds, tubes, and stitches are removed and you go home.
    • Balloon internal radiation, known by the brand name MammoSite. This approach places a special tube with a balloon on one end in the breast where the cancer was. The tube comes out of the skin through a small hole. The tube and balloon are placed either during lumpectomy or afterward in a surgeon's office. During each treatment, a machine places a radioactive seed into the center of the balloon for 5 to 10 minutes -- just long enough to deliver the required dose of radiation. After the seed is removed, you may leave the treatment center. A total of 10 treatments are usually given over 5 days. That means two treatments per day, about 6 hours apart. When the final treatment is done, the balloon and tube are removed through the small hole in the skin.
    • 3-D conformal external beam radiation (3DCRT). This experimental approach starts with a planning session (simulation). A special MRI or CAT scan of the breast is done and is used to map out small treatment fields for the area at risk. The type and distribution of radiation is designed to maximize the dose to the area that needs to be treated and avoid or minimize radiation to tissue near the area. The radiation is delivered with a linear accelerator, the same machine used in traditional external radiation, twice a day for 1 week.

    To see if brachytherapy was as good as traditional whole-breast radiation, researchers reviewed the treatment histories and outcomes of more than 130,000 women diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer who had lumpectomy to remove the cancer. All the women had radiation therapy after surgery -- either traditional whole-breast radiation therapy or brachytherapy (multi-catheter internal radiation therapy or MammoSite).

    The researchers looked to see how many women had mastectomy during the 5 years after lumpectomy and radiation:

    • 4% of women treated with brachytherapy after lumpectomy later had mastectomy.
    • 2.2% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy later had mastectomy.

    Overall, complications from brachytherapy were much higher than with traditional whole-breast radiation therapy:

    • 9.6% of women treated with brachytherapy needed hospitalization during or after treatment compared to 5.7% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy.
    • 8.1% of women treated with brachytherapy developed an infection related to treatment compared to 4.5% of women treated with whole-breast radiation therapy.

    Other treatment complications -- such as rib fracture, breakdown of fat in the breast (fat necrosis), breast pain, and inflammation in the lungs -- were more likely among women treated with brachytherapy.

    Some of the higher complication rates may be because brachytherapy requires a device to be implanted under the skin.

    Besides being a quicker way to deliver radiation therapy, many doctors like brachytherapy because the radiation delivery is focused, potentially avoiding exposing healthy tissue to radiation. Even though brachytherapy is becoming more popular, experts continue to warn that right now there's not enough evidence to confidently conclude that brachytherapy is as effective and safe as traditional whole-breast radiation therapy.

    The results of this study suggest that this caution makes sense. Still, some experts feel that the results reflect early use of brachytherapy and that doctors are now better at using brachytherapy more effectively and safely. Several very large, well-designed studies are currently being done to evaluate the short-term and long-term effectiveness and safety of brachytherapy compared to traditional whole-breast radiation therapy. It will be several years before the results are available.

    If you've been diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer, are having lumpectomy, and will be receiving radiation therapy after surgery, you and your doctor may consider brachytherapy as an alternative to traditional external beam radiation therapy. Perhaps the daily trips to the treatment center would be a burden because of distance. Talk to your doctors about their experience with brachytherapy compared to traditional radiation therapy. You also may want to ask about their familiarity with the technical aspects of delivering brachytherapy since placement of the catheters or balloon is a skill that can take some time to master.

    The Breastcancer.org Radiation Therapy section has more information on both traditional external beam radiation therapy and brachytherapy.

    Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic!  Hmmm...Really?....Okay!    2/10 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15,   Stage 1, Grade 1,  1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes,  ER+ 90% PR+ 70% HER2- (+1) [Edit][Delete]
    voraciousre...
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    38 minutes ago, edited 37 minutes ago        by voraciousreadervoraciousreader wrote:

    The folks that favor brachytherapy had a very strong rebuttal:

    http://www.onclive.com/publications/Oncology-live/2012/january-2012/2-Landmark-Trials-Suggest-Changes-in-Practice-Brachytherapy-Controversy-Attracts-Attention

    Analysis Finds Higher Risks of Mastectomy With Brachytherapy

    In what was likely the most controversial presentation at the symposium, investigators reported a retrospective analysis of the impact of local brachytherapy versus standard postoperative radiation as adjunctive treatment following primary conservative surgical management of breast cancer.4 The researchers utilized the administrative Medicare claims database (patients aged >66 y) and specifically examined women diagnosed with invasive breast cancer from the years 2000 to 2007. The populations examined were women who received conservative surgery followed by "standard" postoperative whole-breast radiation versus partial-breast brachytherapy (in the absence of whole-breast radiation) during this time interval.

    Of interest, the investigators noted that the use of brachytherapy for breast cancer in this Medicare population increased from less than 1% of the population in 2000 to 13% in 2007 (P < .001). As a group, the patients managed with the brachytherapy approach were somewhat older than individuals undergoing whole-breast radiation.

    However, the major finding in this report was that women who received local brachytherapy experienced a doubling (4% vs 2.2%) in their subsequent risk of undergoing a mastectomy compared with the population of individuals managed with whole-breast radiation after surgery. The investigators also noted an increased incidence of infectious and noninfectious complications (rib fracture, fat necrosis, breast pain) associated with the brachytherapy management strategy compared with whole-breast radiation.

    The controversy regarding this presentation developed quickly following the meeting with these preliminary results being widely disseminated in the popular press. Several groups involved in the development of accelerated partial-breast radiation strategies provided a strong public rebuttal to this report,5 noting that: (1) cancer recurrence rates were not reported in this analysis; (2) the rate of subsequent mastectomy did not equate with the risk of recurrence, since a mastectomy could have been undertaken for a number of other reasons, including infection or personal choice; (3) the stated risk of complications in this analysis was considerably higher than that reported in published studies specifically addressing this issue for accelerated partial-breast radiation; and (4) newer improved strategies for local radiation in the management of breast cancer have been developed since the years covered in the Medicare database.

    Of course, it is important to note that presentations at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium, as is the case at all such meetings, must be considered preliminary reports until the data have been subjected to appropriate detailed analysis and published in the peer-reviewed medical literature. That being said, it is clear that this meeting remains one of the most important international forums for the presentation and discussion of critically important study results related to the management of breast cancer.

  • Everlastpink
    Everlastpink Member Posts: 139
    edited April 2012

    I am late coming to this discussion, but just wanted to share my experience with mammosite radiation, which was largely positive.  I am interested in the age requirement some of you mention, I was 45 when mine was done.  My tumor was also on the left breast, deep in close to the chest wall on the side under my arm.  My surgeon placed a "dummy" balloon in during surgery and I awoke with the surgical vest  after surgery.  Most of my pain was from the SNB, not the lumpectomy.  I did have a fair amount of oozing, but sugical pads, or sanitary napkins, worked fine.  The oozing stopped about 24-48 hours. 

    A few days after the surgery, my surgeon removed the dummy and inserted the actual mammosite balloon.  I do not reacall that being painful, more like ripping off a bandaid.  I quick bit of discomfort, then fine after that. 

    It's been a few years, but I recall having some type of scan to make sure the balloon was in the right place.  Then, as others have mentioned, I had a sonogram every day for the 5 days prior to the actual radiation treatment.  The treatments themselves were not at all painful, but I did have fatigue.  I had a very slight "sunburn" but I used an aloe cream my rad onco recommended and it was fine.  At the end, the mammosite balloon is removed and it was again like having a bandaid ripped off.

    I did develop a seroma which is still not completely gone today, but it is not painful at all. In fact, I sort of liked having it right after surgery, because it filled out my breast so it hardly looked like I had a lumpectomy!

    I have a young son with autism, so for me, aside from the fact that all my docs recommended the mammosite, the shortened treatment time was a bonus. 

    The experience was fine for me.  I have lately been wondering about the studies saying it is not as effective.  However, at the time, I made the best decision I could and it seemed the most beneficial option.  I also trusted my doctors and the were all in unison that this is what I should do.

    I also live in Miami, and my rads onco is affiliated with the University of Miami and has done this procedure many times.  I felt I was in good hands.

    Good luck to you with everything. I am sorry you have had to wait.  Waiting is not my strong point either.  I was diagnosed in December, so I had to wait until January for my surgery and that was hard, mostly because I wanted to get it over with!

    Wishing you a quick recovery.

    Katherine

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Katherine

    What you describe is exactly what is lined up for me.  I am optomistic because I had a hysterectomy 33 years ago so I don't have raging hormones to muck it up.  If there is any recurrence, I have made up my mind I will have a mastectomy.  I almost went for it this time but it seemed like a lot for Stage 0, Grade 1, hormone positive.

    My best wishes to you for a cancer free future. 

    All these treatment are so much worse for a young woman.  On one thread mention was made about elderly patients looking at younger ones with pity.  It is not pity.  It is empathy and our hearts go out to you.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    It seems that study was on Stage 1 and up.  I am Stage 0, grade 1.  Lumectomy could almost be enough but I think they are planning on hormone treatment after radiation.  Also, I am 76.  I wonder how old your church friend is.  Some women calls themselves elderly when they are 55, just kids.

    From what I have read, mastectomy is not that hard.  Not many comlaints on this web site.  One woman said she took one Tylenol after and that's all.  A person does have drainage tubes in 2 to 3 weeks but pain is manageable.  Losing a breast is life changing for a young woman, when you are older, not so much.  I think someone needs to encourage your firend.  Must be a support group in town.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    The study posted seems a bit skewed in my opinion.  ONly medicare patients, only women over 66, and only women with INVASIVE cancer.  Hmmmm......that is a very select few.

     I am also stage 0, dcis, and my lesion is only 12mm.....no lymphs or other tissue involved.  So feel my odds are better.  When you look at the risk of external radiation - and the side effects, Brachy looks better for me.  Also, they have been using this method in Europe for a lot longer.  US is always a little behind if you ask me.  

    Just my opinion - its good to read all the studies, but like I said - it was a very select group that they studied which makes it not a very good overall study....... 

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Shayne, that's what I thought.  Plus, it is my left breast possibly involving lungs and heart if the longer term radiation is used.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Just curious.....have they made advances in EXTERNAL radiation?  Are there options in that regard?  Cant find any info on that.  I have not ruled this out as an option - still trying to get all the facts and stats.  As I am a mother, I dont want to take chances.....but I also want to chose whats right for me.  THe doc I have is the spouse of the doc who pioneered one of the new brachy treatments, the SAVI.....So I am in the best hands possible.  My appt is next friday - but I still want to educate myself before hand so i can ask the right questions.  

  • madpeacock
    madpeacock Member Posts: 369
    edited April 2012

    Just adding my info for further consideration: I had just turned 49 when I had Contura (same as Mammosite but has multiple channels for radiation seeds). I have IDC. My catheter was put in about five weeks after my lumpectomy, not for any physical reason other than we were still working out whether I was to have chemo or not. But that's a long story for another day. As others mentioned above: oozing - yes; seroma - yes, still have it, but slowly going away; pain - going in or coming out - no; pain during treatment - no; over with quickly - yes!

    There was no question about whether my age was appropriate for internal radiation and there were women of all ages at the center when I was having my treatment - though I was on the younger side. They were at first reluctant to do my Oncotype as I was too OLD???

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    I have read somewhere that the radiation beam in being better targeted to avoid damage to lungs and heart.  I guess that is a question for your doctors.  There must be more info on this web site.

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    madpeacock

     Is this a recurrence?

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited April 2012

    Infobabe - I had Mammosite almost two years ago, after a lumpectomy.  I was 60 at the time and I found the procedure very easy to tolerate.  I had no big issues with drainage, infection or pain.  For the record, I also had a recurrence in the area of the original biopsy incision, but that wasn't a Mammosite failure. 

    You have Stage 0 Grade 1 DCIS - a slow growing tumor.  The latest research indicates that you might even be OK going without radiation or hormone treatment because of your age and tumor size.  Going through brachytherapy should be more than adequate for your cancer.  But if you were my mom (and mine is 82), I'd take you for a second opinion on whether or not any additional treatment, including arimidex or femara, is truly necessary. 

  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    LuvRVing

    I agree with you.  But I have to go along with what my doctor says after the lumpectomy.  They seem to have made the decision to do the Mammosite.  If I disagree with them and then things go wrong, I will blame myself but Iwill also be in trouble.  It is really tough to know what to do.  I can't substitue my limited knowlege for their expertise.  I would be happy if they change their minds.  I doubt they will.

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012

    Infobabe - thats why we choose the best doctors we can find - we have to put our trust in them completely.  Im having a hard time knowing what to do as well . . . but have faith the answers will be really clear when i do have all the information from my docs - and they look at all my films and reports.   Trust - and pray or ask your higher power for the strength to make a decision, the best one, not made out of desperate fear, but out of knowledge, instincts......and a good docs advice. 

  • Cherilynn64
    Cherilynn64 Member Posts: 342
    edited April 2012

    Auntieance - yikes, 3 weeks was a long time to wait! Just glad you got it done! Smile

    Nancy - I'm so, so sorry you didn't have the info about internal radiation and to be offered that choice. Not everyone qualifies, but it would have been nice for you to at least have had the option to discuss it.

    Voracious - there are valid points in those articles, but the earliest of those studies is aleady 12 years old. The advancement made in just the SAVI I had has jumped light years. Also, women who do not necessarily need mastectomies but choose to have them over lumpectomy were part of the study. So that's not objective data when it's a personal choice. Also if all the patients were on Miedcare then they were all over 65, so they didn't take in to account the women between 45-65.

    Katherine - I'm 47 and my insuance originally denied me due to being too young. Anyone under age 50 is considered young for any kind of cancer, and anyone under 60 is for breast cancer. The 20 yr study on internal radiation is a few years out still, so the 40s and 50s patients are in a little bit of limbo yet. The American Academy of Breast Surgeons approves the internal catheter for anyone over 45, so that coupled with Dr Kuske being my radiation onc who invented the SAVI (thank God for living in Scottsdale where his practice is, I lucked out!), my insurance ended up covering it after his office conveyed both those pieces of information.

    Being mine was in the left breast, I was very concerned about radiation exposure to the heart. I'm very thankful I met all the qualifications for the internal radiation.

    Cheri 

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2012
  • Infobabe
    Infobabe Member Posts: 1,083
    edited April 2012

    Cherilynn64

    You just started Tomoxifen.  How do you find it?  What is yoru dosage?  I think this might be in my future.

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