Do I have PTSD or Major Depression?

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Hi this is my first post... And I need advice from some BC friends. Do you think I have post dramatic stress disorder or major depression? I have been iin remission approx 2 1/2 years. I was originally diagnosed with breast cancer in 2005 for which I had a mastectomy. in 2009 I had a regional reoccurrence with multiple lymph nodes in my clavicle and mediastinal area. I had approximately 11 months of treatment including chemo and radiation. I returned to work shortly after and have been back to work for approximately a year. I have worked as manger in a corporation for seven years and enjoyed my job and am a highly motivated. Initially when I went back to work I was working and feeling fine. Now in the last two months my department restructured and we are asked to learn new job responsibilities. At first I was excited about the new challenge and look forward to a chance to learn something different. However, since I do not have a very supportive management its been frustrating. Upper management just seems clueless as to what they can do to help. I feel like they're not listening and I'm beating my head against the wall. I've never been so upset and even through cancer I've never been this frustrated. My job causes me a great deal of stress and long hours. It does not allow me to spend time with my family. I have become very depressed unable to go to work. My NP has increased my antidepressants suggest I begin seeing a psychiatrist ( just been once see him again today) and also getting psychotherapy. The psychiatrist says that I have major depression but I explained to him that I had cancer twice I asked him if this could be PTSD and he said no and started me on BuSpar which I've been on for two weeks.... what do you all think. Is this PTSD or I'm I just anxious about work.... Why now? I need your advice?

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  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2012

    I don't have an answer, exactly. But I do have a few questions. This seems from what you wrote that your frustration and depression are LIMITED to your work challenge.  Are the other parts of your life doing well? Maybe it ISN'T about cancer (or fallout post-cancer) but really job related? I dont see the cancer connection. I see what is possibly an untenable work situation - or at the very least, a bad fit for you. Long hours, no time with family, no support from upper management. Sounds like time to job-hunt to me, not necessarily time to drug yourself into accepting an awful work environment. 

    If you were doing fine before this change, which it sounds like from what you wrote, maybe the change is what isn't good for you.

    I hope this isn't offensive or upsetting or missing the point.  I know we're all changed forever having gone through bc (and for you, twice). But you wrote that you have never been this upset even going through the bc stuff, which makes me wonder if it is more directly related to the job.

    At least this train of thought might be worth exploring with the professionals.

    Sending love and support to you - this sounds really hard.

    Amy 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2012

    Meli, I think Amy pinpointed exactly what struck me about your post -- that what you're describing sounds like a very stressful and depressing job situation, which you don't have the energy or emotional fortitude to cope with at the moment.  And that's not surprising given your bc hx.

    OTOH, I don't understand why your psychiatrist is so quick to brush off the very real possibility that you are suffering from PTSD, which seems only logical given that you had 2 bc dx's within 4 years, and all the ensuing txs and no doubt continued worries.

    My first suggestion is to find a new psychiatrist -- one that specializes in bc.  I see you're in CA. If you're near UCLA or Stanford or UCSF, those would be great places to find psychs who deal only with oncology patients and understand bc.  In other words, you won't have to explain what a Stage IIIC dx means, the stress of which might be illuding your current psych.  

    My second suggestion is to start looking for a new job.  I know this is easier said than done, but I don't think you need the stress of a situation over which you have no control.  That can't be good for your health.  A less stressful position -- even if it means a pay cut -- sounds far more logical to me than what you're going through and possibly more drugs, which aren't going to solve the unfair stress at work.

    I'm glad you came to BCO!   (((Hugs))), and I'm sure you'll get things figured out and back on track!     Deanna 

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited April 2012

    Personally I'd be running as fast as I could from any psychiatrist who is not willing to consider PTSD as a possibility. There are so many that have little to no knowledge about it. It is VERY real and can effect anyone who has dealt with something traumatic - not just 'battle' related. It effects/affects every aspect of your life and all your loved ones.



    Just throwing more drugs at it is not the answer - yes some do work/help with some but not all the same. There can also be other underlying issues also. But without working on PTSD - the others can't be 'fixed'.



    I don't remember all the right terminology but very basically there are changes within the brain with PTSD and the sooner it is handled correctly the better the outcome. I know of several quite good sites for PTSD info but it'll be tonight before I can look them up for you.



    I go to a Women's Retreat (http://www.blackhills.va.gov/Womens-Retreat.asp ) twice a year that the main emphasis is on PTSD. It is at the Black Hills VA at Ft. Meade, SD. It is the only one like it in the country and is for Women Veterans and the women collaterals of male/female PTSD veterans. It is free and uses no government funds - the staff all volunteer (most are VA) and the costs (lodging/food/supplies/etc) is covered by DAV. (Sorry for going OT a bit but perhaps there are those who might gain from these Retreats - time to look into it as this one will be the end of this month and is full but the next one will be in Oct.




    I can't begin to tell you rather or not PTSD is in your life or not but if it's come to your thoughts - check it out with some knowledgeable.



  • barbiecorn
    barbiecorn Member Posts: 437
    edited April 2012

    I know sometimes you can delay post-traumatic stress - I have done that many times when some bad things have happened in my life.  I had my BMX 2/1 and handled everything so well and now I have PTSD - I have been on anti-depressants long before BC so this just brought the depression to a new level - I am okay most of the time but today I went into work and this was going to be my first full week of work and I just can't cope...my job is very stressful and I don't think I have the energy for fulltime even though if I am home, I just feel worse....it is a catch 22 - I think PTSD can come about years later and the key is when you add some more stress to it like your job, it can come out full blown.  Good Luck - My dr. (psychiatrist) is on vacation until the 20th....I will then discuss my opinions with him....but PTSD yes, absolutely can come on at any time and usually when you are stressed and tired which is where I am at and I think you are also with your work issues.  (((hugs)))

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited April 2012

    MeliC:

    Cancer changes us, and sometimes these internal changes take time. It sounds like you no longer want to put up with some of the things you used to put up with with regard to your job. It is natural that you are having a reaction to these new challenges; you're no longer the same person. Your priorities have changed.

    Whether you have PTSD or depression or anxiety or none of the above, I'd encourage you to keep listening to your inner voice. It is very wise and will help you move forward and make the right decisions for your future.

    Regarding therapy: Besides what you are doing, try tapping into a cancer support near your home. These places often offer free counseling for cancer patients.The cancer support community, for example, has 8 locations in CA, there may be one near you. Another resource is Cancer Hope Network, where they match you with a volunteer who has gone through what you have gone through and you talk to them on the phone. And of course there is great support right here on BCO!

  • MeliC
    MeliC Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2012

    Thank you all! What great insight! Amy, Deanna, Kicks, Barbie and Renn...

    Time to really do some big soul searching maybe I just thought I was okay and was excited about the new job challenge but disappointed about not able to step up to challenge. I took a leave of absence from work becuz I was crying, sleep deprived and lack of interest. Amy I do enjoy everything else my husband my two young girls 5 & 8....

    I need to work and I am just not sure how to start over in new job in such bad economic times.



    I would love contact name of a great psychiatrist near thousand oaks CA area. Yes, i signed up with community cancer support group in Westlake Village, CA.

    Today the Pysch MD 20 min visit different meds he wants me to try to wean off anti dep and try another anti dep (effexor to lexapro) along with buspar.

    Thanks again and glad I finally joined BCO!



    Melinda

  • mumorange
    mumorange Member Posts: 205
    edited April 2012

    Melinda, I too am having these feelings you describe. Yes, it is triggered by other stresses in my life at the moment but I do think, after 2 dx ( as I have had too) we really do get physically and emotionally depleted. I sailed through my first round of treatments and did kind of ok on the second. Now, a year on, I do feel quite flat and frustrated. I think you are right to have sought help and I will be doing the same during my next appointment. It's a tough call to get dragged through this twice in a short period of time. Stay strong, we have been through too much to fall apart now! x

  • MeliC
    MeliC Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2012

    Thank you Mumorange for reply:) 2x is not as easy as it looks from the outside. Stress can really put us In a tail spin. I am continuing with psychotherapy weekly and a psychiatrist biweekly ...but he is changing my meds...thats hard on my brain up or down...or is my head spinning ?

    ...but I do think I see light at the end of tunnel





    I wish YOU much love and peace of mind! xxoo



    Melinda

  • momoschki
    momoschki Member Posts: 682
    edited April 2012

    As a clinical psychologist, I have to weigh in here and say that what you are describing does not sound to me like PTSD, but rather that you are having depressive symptoms in response to a very stressful situation at work.  However, your history with BC has no doubt left you more reactive to stressors of any kind.  I'd encourage you to work with your psychiatrist to find the right meds (this is often more an art than a science and can require some tweaking) and to use psychotherapy also to explore what about the current work situation is most disturbing and how you can cope with it.

  • MeliC
    MeliC Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2012

    Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is an anxiety disorder that can be brought on by a traumatic event. PTSD can happen after a life-threatening situation, such as breast cancer diagnosis or cancer recurrence. PTSD can affect your ability to cope with life's daily chores and inconveniences and make it difficult to function.



    Symptoms of PTSD can include:



    nightmares or flashbacks about the cancer experience

    continuously focusing on the cancer experience

    avoiding people, places, and events that remind you of the experience

    trouble sleeping

    extreme irritableness

    intense feelings of fear

    being overly excitable

    feeling helpless or hopeless

    shame or guilty feelings

    bouts of crying

    feeling emotionally numb

    sadness or depression

    loss of appetite

    trouble maintaining personal relationships

    self-destructive behavior (alcohol or drug abuse, for example)

    memory problems

    concentration problems

    being startled or frightened easily

    getting no joy from activities you used to enjoy

    hallucinations

    PTSD symptoms usually appear within 3 months of a traumatic event, last longer than a month, and severely affect daily life. In some cases, symptoms don't appear for years after the traumatic event.



    To prevent PTSD symptoms from getting worse, it's important to tell your doctor about your feelings right away. If you’re thinking about harming yourself or someone else, call 911 right away or ask family or friends to help you.



    PTSD treatment can include medications, such as antidepressants, and therapy to help you learn ways to cope with situations that may trigger traumatic stress.



    Managing PTSD

    The following suggestions can help if you’re coping with PTSD brought on by breast cancer:



    Stick to your PTSD treatment plan. Time and patience can really help your coping abilities.

    Get enough sleep. Being well rested can reduce stress levels.

    Exercise regularly. Exercise can reduce stress and increase the release of endorphins, a chemical made by body that promotes good feelings.

    Eat a healthy diet to give your body all the nutrients it needs.

    Avoid caffeine and nicotine -- they can increase stress levels.

    Don’t use alcohol or drugs to cope. Self-medicating can be dangerous and prolong the healing process.

    Learn new habits. Practice a new hobby or go for a stroll around the block when you start to feel anxious.

    Surround yourself with supportive people and try to discuss your feelings with them.

    Consider joining a support group to find others in your situation.

    Some complementary and holistic medicine techniques have been shown to ease anxiety, stress, fear, and depression, including:



    aromatherapy

    guided imagery

    hypnosis

    journaling

    massage

    meditation

    music therapy

    progressive muscle relaxation

    prayer

    support groups

    tai chi

    yoga

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited April 2012

    Hmmmm. I wonder how long it takes for PTSD to develop, as I am early to all this. However, my nerves are shot. I am extremely irritable and extremely depressed. I am pulling out in front of traffic saying go ahead and hit me. My mother will get more money from accidental death and dismemberment than if I die from cancer. My feelings are hurt so easily, especially on these boards and in the chat room. I'm not doing it their way. I'm going alternative, unless they get me any more depressed, in which case I think I'll do everything I can to make the cancer grow grow grow, because I have had it. I don't even want to be alive anymore.

  • MeliC
    MeliC Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2012

    You know I too have thoughts of something being better than all of this. Death ? I talk myself out of feeling like I should die because I have two young girls five and eight. I don't want them to lose their mother they already have seen me go through way too much. I said to myself I fought cancer to feel like this ..so depressed and anxious. I went to a stress reduction support group last week and basically had to leave in tears because I have such a hard time dealing with this and it's been 2 1/2 years...I don't know why I'm so anxious depressed but have good days too.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited April 2012

    Here's looking to better days ahead.

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited April 2012

    dunesleeper, If you are having suicidal thoughts, please get help. I am glad you are talking to us. Most of us have felt hopeless at one time or another. Talking to a therapist could help you, too. The next time you want to get hit in traffice, please talk to someone first. There are suicide hotlines availabe 24/7 and you do not have to be feeling suicidal to call them. I work on a suicide hotline and we are happy to talk to anyone. Sending hugs and caring thoughts to you.

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited April 2012

    Google Adjustment Disorder......then discuss it with Your shrink....it can be very serious...

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited April 2012

    Thanks ladies. I am better today and will see my PCP tomorrow. It will definitely be a topic of discussion!!!

  • barbiecorn
    barbiecorn Member Posts: 437
    edited April 2012

    I too am extremely depressed about the BC but the funny part is if I am with good company, people I love and want to be around, I actually feel okay....I don't get it...if you are depressed, I would think it would be all the time but it is not....I am going to my doctor tomorrow to change my medication (anti-depressants) as I don't think they are helping any longer...been on them too long...when I am okay, I eat better, am happier and then when I go down, I cannot eat and feel hopeless...I don't get it???  Today I could bearly work that's how down I am and just want to cry - also I am not getting enough sleep which is just making matters worse...and I have to be up for Sunday is my daughter's bridal shower and I am hosting it at a restaurant...talk about stress????????????????  I can't wait for it to be over with and that makes me feel so quilty...this should be such a happy time for me and I just can't help it, but it is just more stress for me...what bad timing...my daughter (only child) is getting married in June and I have never felt this bad and of course, I can't show this to her, it would just ruin her wedding...I am under so much stress from all of this!!!!!

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited April 2012

    Barbie, one key is to be around people you like and who make you feel good about yourself. And run like the wind from those who want to criticize and tear you down.

    Have you found a dress for yourself for the wedding? I remember helping mom look for a dress for my brother's wedding. It sure was elegant.

    Hopefully a med change will help. I find that I need to slow my brain down and try to take one thing at a time. For today, anyway, it is working.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Member Posts: 16,882
    edited April 2012

    Oh I jad a great post, I screwed it up as usual. Sorry

  • barbiecorn
    barbiecorn Member Posts: 437
    edited April 2012

    Thanks Charlene...yes I do have the dress and yes, you are right...I need to slow down my brain...it is on overdrive right now....one thing at a time...good advice....

  • tabby
    tabby Member Posts: 135
    edited April 2012

    DWhether it's PTSD or whatever you want to call it, we need emotional health as much as physical.  Thankfully when I was at my worst I knew I could go to a free therapist where I was being treated.  (Part of my anxiety was about the money I was costing my family to get medical help.)  He specializes in working with bc patients.  I told him I could not understand how I could be so strong throughout so many surgeries, infections, loss of te's, a 2nd scare, etc. then fall apart afterwards shortly after my son had a car accident (he was fine; can't say that for the truck).  It was like the last straw and I just fell apart.  Just red another thread with a quote saying "Depression isn't about weakness.  It's about being strong too long".  SO TRUE.  My therapist told me he sees just as many survivors after it's all over as during and that what I was experiencing was similar to PTSD in that every time I experience something negative, it joins all that cancer stuff and is just overwhelming.  It really helped me to see him and my family doctor for help.  PLEASE SISTERS:  Get help.  We are not weak to need help.  It can be trying to go on meds because it's not always successful the first time--it's trial and error and that's depressing in and of itself.  But this too will pass.  You are loved and prayed for. 

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited April 2012

    I don't know what I'm suffering from either.  My bimx was December 2008, removal of infected TEs in January 2009, fell and needed a shoulder replacement in June 2009, had a stroke in October 2011 and just recently had a hip replacement.  While hospitalized and later in the rehab center I was only given half the dose of my antidepressant.  But I'm back on the full dose and today I feel tired but can't sleep, feel like jumping out of my skin.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    Geez Kathleen! You sure have been through a lot. I hope you feel better by the time you read this.

  • Galsal
    Galsal Member Posts: 1,886
    edited May 2012

    Thank you all for sharing on this thread.  I wasn't understanding why after getting past the initial removal of the diseased tissue and all that I felt like I was falling apart.  Add on a new chronic problem from LE and it seemed to overhwhelm me.  Psych at the VA had me come off A/D to go for purely talk therapy.  No bueno when you can't sleep for caca!  Through my health insurance, went to a Pscyh.  She had NO problem what so ever recognizing I needed med help with therapy to calm down, get some sleep, etc. VA freaked about anxiety med, she's fine with it so long a I don't over do it.

    Because of her and the Ambien, last night was one of the first nights in a while I slept straight through from 10p to 5a!!!  

    Don't know about you all, but I tend to get the most depressive and anxiety thoughts once I'm home after work.  Perhaps some thing to do with the letdown effect?  

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited May 2012

    I didn't even know several events in my early life could be classified as traumatic until I talked with my therapist.  She said that multiple traumas are more likely to make someone have PTSD, or PTSD-like syndromes.

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2012

    Dunesleeper ... I am on the mend.  Going to physical therapy today.  Its encouraging knowing that the aches and pains I have are part of a normal recovery from hip replacement surgery.  My biggest fear is dislocating the hip before it heals completely (about 6-8 weeks).  The chief way to dislocate a new hip is to bend over.  You would be surprised how many times a day we all do just that!

    Leaf ... I need to locate a therapist.  I had a really traumatic childhood that I am still trying to sort out.  My reactions to certain events are a direct result of that trauma.  For example, if you touch off my abandonment button, stand back.  I am not responsible for my actions!  That is my big hot button and I will react in a very childish and angry outburst.  I'm not proud of it but it is almost out of my control.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited May 2012

    kmccraw423, oh my gosh, you are sooo not alone with that abandonment button thing! Eeeks. It is not a pretty sight. Then I just feel like an ass for, well, forever!!! LOL

    Take care of that hip. There is nothing like not being able to do something to make you realize how often you do it.  Let it get good and strong.

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2012

    Dunesleeper ... thanks.  Hot buttons make us do terrible things!

  • curlygirl614
    curlygirl614 Member Posts: 16
    edited June 2012

    This post is about a month old but I hope people might still be reading. MeliC I completely relate to your situation. I was diagnosed with bc for the first time last year at age 25 - it was an early stage, I had a bilateral mastectomy and chemotherapy and am seemingly "cured". I finished all of my surgeries and chemo in December of 2011 and felt like 2012 was a new year. I'd be a new woman - done with all the cancer stuff. I took a vacation to Hawaii to clear my head, went back to work, and have been scheduling all the follow-ups I'm supposed to.

    But work was never the same for me. I used to love my job and get along with my coworkers - but since we moved into a new building and hired a couple new people, the dynamics have changed and every day I just hate it more and more. It is so stressful. I want to quit but I need health insurance, so I try to look for other jobs but I have very little motivation.

    For the past couple of weeks (and I should mention that it was recently my birthday and the one-year anniversary from when my hair started coming out) I've been feeling severely depressed. Crying at the smallest thing, feeling physical symptoms of anxiety like shortness of breath, lump in my throat, and nausea, and just feeling overall not like myself. I guess it feels like everything from last year caught up with me. Just last night I was telling my boyfriend that I lost a whole freaking year of my life to breast cancer. At just 25 I wasn't supposed to be dealing with this, and now I feel so pressured to plan my future bc I don't know how much longer I'll be around. I also feel depressed that I can never go back to being a person who HASN'T had cancer, if that makes sense. Every little pain and abnormality in my mood/body conjures immediate thoughts of recurrence, and I know that those feelings will never go away because the reality is that I had breast cancer and it can and DOES recur. 

    Sorry if this post is all jumbled - I just really need to write these feelings out and know that I'm not alone. I do have an appointment next week with a therapist and an appointment with my PCP, and I have told my oncologist about the physical symptoms I'm having.  

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited June 2012

    Hi curlygirl. I am quitting my job because of feeling just like you describe. I've been here 25 years, though, and so am eligible for early retirement. It won't be enough to live on, but I know I have to get away from here. I started seeing a therapist, too, and it has helped quite a lot. I am going to get some extra training and then, if I cannot get disability, I will find a part time job to supplement my pension. Staying here and staying stressed pretty much guarantees the cancer will come back. I am going to remake my life.

    See if talking things out with the therapist helps. If you are still miserable in your job, definitely find another. I have been miserable in this job for a really long time but I kept holding onto it because of pay and benefits. It probably ended up making me sick. It certainly made me an unhappy person. Don't stay in a job that makes you miserable.

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