Would a KETONE Diet Kill Cancer?

281 centenarians missing or dead, Japanese longevity record in doubt

Japan, Checking on Its Oldest, Finds Many Gone  New York Times

Further research shows that the longevity claims in Okinawa may be exaggerated and can't be verified due to the different method of recording births.  It's thought that they still hold the record as the differences aren't likely to be that large. The PDF is long and difficult to follow but I include the link for the record.

Exceptional longevity in Okinawa: A plea for in-depth validation
Michel Poulain   2011

Purple, the moderators can't stop people from having different points of view as long as they aren't giving individual medical advice.  They can delete posts that are spam or abusive.  Generally forums are self correcting as people will quickly jump in to point out factual errors.

Your post is the perfect example of how bad ideas that are out there on the net can be challenged. If they weren't aired here, then they would be allowed to go unchallenged.

Not that I'm passing any judgement on the Ketone diet which may well have the limited but important ability to put people into remission, the same as chemo does.  I have yet to look for studies on this subject but it's on my list of priorities.

KatRNagain92,  How did your doctor know you converted Tamoxifen into a "food source" for cancer.  I have not heard anything about that.  Is there a test for that?

The CYP2D6 is actually for low, moderate, or extensive metabolism of Tamox.  Not for speed of metabolism, but quantity.  The optimum is to be an extensive metaboliser, meaning the largest amount of Tamox. that you ingest gets converted to endoxifen, which then blocks the estrogen receptor sites.  (About 10% are low metabolisers; Tamox. is effective for the rest.)

Sorry to stray off nodules topic.

Looks like there is some research going on this subject. Not a big study, but a start:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22840388

Hope that works, was not able to copy and paste. 

In the studies etc I have seen, you only go on the diet for 2-3 weeks at a time, 2-3 times a year. Then you add the veggies back.

I believe there is some great potential in this. I found out about the low carbohydrate diet by reading a book of Johannes Coy, a german researcher.
Before christmas I started the diet and maintained it until my last chemotherapy (after which I eat whatever I like just to get by), but there is no doubt in my mind - something happened - and I will continue the diet now. The first days were a real struggle but on day 4-5 I found myself waking before the rest of the family - energized like almost never before. It may sound maybe too good to be true, but I could feel my body loved it.

I soon found recipes to bake "bread" and there are many ways to get a great snack or dessert - dark chocolate, one of my best friends

In the book he also mentions the importance of;
Vitamin E - the subtype gammatocotrienol - I ordered the tocomin suprabio which has the "right" composition.
Vitamin D and sunlight.
Exercise, sleep and anti-stress.

Also, I have come across Artemisinin as an interesting anti-cancer agent. I take these supplements along with the diet and try to keep the diet alkaline as well. Avoid obvious toxins, switch to organic food. I always thought organic meat was way too pricy. My cancer has now changed my mind - and wow - taste the difference! Beef is something I've never tried for REAL before I was diagnosed.

Hi all. I was just reading about diet and something about ketone diet came along. I will try to translate some passages from a book by Johannes Coy et al.:
When reducing carbohydrates, and fats and proteins are increased in the diet the body will start producing ketones. Ketones feed the sugar dependent areas of the brain and the neurons. They also affect the psyche by creating a more "light" mood and lower anxiety. This is especially important when it comes to cancer patients. Anxiety inhibit the natural killer cells which combat cancer cells. By lowering carb intake and exercising ketone levels will rise.
A study done at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in n.y. have shown ketones work directly against cancer cells by inhibiting growth and reducing their energy supply.
A diet high in protein (1,5-2 grams per kilo body weight per day) allows formation of proteins used by the immune system to recognize cancer cells and kill them. Also lowering carb intake will prevent cancerous cells to switch to fermentation.

Again, must say I love this book. It's very motivational because you get a feeling of "empowerment", like there is a lot you can do yourself.
I'm back on the diet, have been so for almost 2 weeks. Have not quite had the euphoric feeling as last time (yet) but perhaps it has something to do with all the stress my body is going through at the moment. Finished 8 chemo rounds and just had surgery last Friday...

There is a newer write-up in Medscape about this subject. A physician sent the link to me but you will have to Google "medscape calorie restriction cancer" to be able to access both an article on The Role of Carbohydrate Restriction in Treatment and Prevention of Cancer (and in that definition discussion of ketogenic diets) and an article titled "Calorie Restriction to Treat Cancer" that has this fascinating quote in it:

"The commonplace advice to avoid dietary fat is not a good recommendation to give cancer patients. "They should eat a lot of fat and avoid sugar," Dr. Freedland noted."

(You can try this link but it always asks me to Log In, whereas if I just Google, I can get the article(s) http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/778613 )

They are some great articles, especially the longer Carb Restriction article - take the time to really read it.

Dr. Tom Seyfried is the author of the most definitive book on this subject. "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease." http://www.bc.edu/schools/cas/biology/facadmin/seyfried.html

There is also a Facebook group of cancer patients doing the ketogenic diet.

 Of all the metabolic strategies mentioned in the link (thanks, allurbad!) a ketogenic diet is the only one I haven't tried. Still doing physical exercise and carb restriction, though not very good with the latter. I also did intermittent fasting for a year (7-hour daily eating window), on which I lost a little weight. I think you'd have to be careful as to the type of fat consumed. On a daily basis, I do eat nuts and have some olive oil. Maybe this is ketogenic? Obviously I have to learn a lot more. Lol. Keep us posted, Momine!

Heidihill, your daily intake of calories should probably be about, what, 70%fat I think to be truly keto? with minimal amounts coming from protein because our bodies can make glucose out of proteins too… I'm not doing it either but I'm very good about restricting processed carbs. That I have to be gluten-free already helps me with that and then the glutenfree breads and pastas are so expensive and just put weight on me so I almost never eat those. But what I do is more of a paleo diet where my carbs come from sweet potato, peas, nuts, etc. If one eats a lot of nuts and olive oil, one is supposed to make sure they are getting enough omega-3s from fish to balance out all the omega-6. That's tricky for me. Coconut oil and palm oil as new direction mentioned are good saturated fats.

new_direction, how do you feel about grass-fed saturated fats? I keep running across research and reviews saying that saturated fats are not the harmful food that we (in the USA anyway) have been told for a few decades. But conventionally fed beef and pork will have so much gunk in their fats (hormones in partick) that those are still a bad idea to eat.

also, does anyone here who is not diabetic monitor their blood glucose?

Should we start a new thread? I'm just concerned that the original post is frenetic enough that it will scare people off reading about what is actually a true research area.