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  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited March 2012

    I second the recommendation of physiotherapy. They can stretch out parts that you can't do with your own body position, and they will be willing to do it past the point where the pain might make you wimp out. 

    Mine is also big on active rehab, which is exercise assignments. For arms and chest, yesterday she put me on a stability ball with my toes on the ground and abdomen on the ball, and with arms out like a letter T, lowering the arms to the ground baby fingers first, to the sides, then with the arms straight up in the flying Superman position palms facing each other, also lower baby fingers to the ground. And then some combinations of that, like alternating positions, adding in the opposite leg raise, and so on. I think that will do both front and back of shoulders and core. I am still trying to get a ball for the office so haven't played around with the exercise yet. 

  • paradiju
    paradiju Member Posts: 46
    edited March 2012

    Renee -- you should not have restricted movement a year later! Your onc or health care people should have given you exercises to do. I have been doing mine daily for three months and i am almost back to normal -- all it took was one session with a good PT -- he showed me what i could do at home or the gym -- gentle stretches and then light weights. Yes it hurt at times but it is getting better. Best of luck!

    orangemat -- TX for the acronyms! :)

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited March 2012

    goldlining, I never acknowledged your post about the LE therapist, treatment, et al. I know it's a nuisance to take the time and travel for your appointments, but it's really a worthwhile endeavor to address this issue. You are worth it! The quick way is not always the best way, I guess that's what I"m trying to say. Be kind to your body and give it the care it deserves. That YOU deserve.

    So it seems that 3 1/2 weeks after reconstruction surgery is the magic number, well for me at least. As I was getting dressed to go run this morning, I thought I'd try to put on one of my regular sports bras instead of that nasty zip-front one. Even with sewing the straps up to be shorter I'm finding the zip-front bra just isn't doing the job lately to lift and support things adequately, especially during exercise. So I tried on one my Nike bras, and whaddaya know, it fit! Now I don't know about anyone else, but that was a huge accomplishment for me, a milestone. Made my run go even better and stronger than I'd expected, because I was so happy that I could fit back into the Nike bra again. I'm still wearing the Champion zip-front the rest of the time, but at least I can now see the light at the end of this recovery tunnel. :)

  • iswimibikeirun
    iswimibikeirun Member Posts: 743
    edited April 2012

    Here's my running update:  Exactly 2 weeks after leaving to check into the hosptial, I was out at the park.  I managed to walk 2 miles with a brief water stop after one mile.  I still can't quite stand up straight (I don't know how goldlining managed to go so far), but it's getting better.  I'm only lamenting the fact that my pace is exactly twice as slow as my 10k that I "ran" 9 days before surgery and that my running coach basically runs 4xs as fast.  Still, I figure my 2 miles is more than the average person does in a day.  The worst part was, I worked up a slight sweat.  Could be the 72+ degree heat and the 100% humidity!

    Orangemat, did you have trouble getting the bra off?  I had a tough time before surgery, so I can't imagine what it's be like after.  Of course, with the DIEP, I don't feel bouncy (even though I've been advised not to do bouncy aerobic exercise and that I shouldn't need a wired bra). 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited April 2012

    iswim: two weeks, that's huge! Plus don't beat yourself up for being slow, or working up a sweat, or ANY of that self-defeating chatter. You went out there, and you covered the miles, and that's ALL THAT MATTERS. Don't ever forget that.

    As for taking the sports bra off, funny you should ask... because I definitely have a tactic for taking it off that isn't how I usually would do it. Having had previous shoulder surgery over 10 years ago clued me in to how to maneuver thing. Arms in front of me (palms up), I bend my elbows and reach back over my head (I round forward a little), grabbing the back of the bra with both hands. My elbows stay close to my ears so my armpits aren't very open, if that makes any sense. I pull on the back of the bra and slide it up over my head and forward to take it off. Messes up my hair majorly, but my shoulder, arm and chest thank me!

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2012

    iswimibikeirun fantastic! All you have to do is do it again and again and you'll be back! I was in the frozen weeks around Xmas so I did my walking on the treadmill at the Y but I just turned on some football on the TV screen and walked till the game was over, usually an hour or 1:15. My pace was just 15mins/mi and I didn't really worry about distance. I think the treadmill+football helped because if I had been outdoors, I might have gotten bored of being all stooped over like that :-)

    My mood right now is pretty stinky. Having a hard time wanting to go outside. It's cold here (I would LOVE 72F temps!) and I'm in kind of poor-me place in my head and very tired with so much to catch up. Seeing the PS fellow later in the week to talk LE, and hoping that gives me a boost. Very much enjoying reading other people's progress!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012

    It was 90 degrees here yesterday!! I walked outside for 41 minutes with a distance of 2.25 miles. In about a week and a half I'll be ok to run. I will probably walk on the treadmill this afternoon, and my goal is 3 miles. I had a good visit with my oncologist yesterday. He said I did NOT have to take tamoxifen!! Hooray!!

    My long term running goal is the Disney marathon next January. I would like to build up my mileage before my exchange surgery thus late summer/early fall and then pick up with 30 mile weeks from there and increase through December. I plan to follow my previous marathon training schedule, I just may have to be slower! I have no idea how it's all going to work, but I am going to do it!

    GOLDLINING--I hope you have a better day today! Hugs!

  • iswimibikeirun
    iswimibikeirun Member Posts: 743
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for the encouragement!

    goldlining Hope you're having a better day today and that the LE discussion goes well.  I asked for a prescrition for sleeves as a precaution.  We were going to go fly to visit the inlaws (to just relax) at the end of my time off, but air fare doubled again.  Might be better not to fly yet.  I would love to be cold.  The heat makes me sticky and my incisions itch.  Of course, the grass is always greener, right?  I love running in 38F weather!

     Roan I'm sure you'll do great in your training as long as you have reasonable expectations on pace!  I'm not sure I want to run another marathon but I'd love to do some more halfs. 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2012
    Roan that is a great goal. Not too rushed, but a great incentive. I was thinking of doing the Disney Marathon Relay (Chip n Dale) so my husband could do the other half of the full Marathon course instead of the same Half Marathon as I do. I think I would like the second half through the Studios and AK better than their Half course. (Stick him with the Epcot-MK portion!) I'm still not ready for the whole 26, but I'm interested in seeing what it feels like to run amidst the marathoners. Note to self: register for that Wine and Dine Half in November before it sells out. (It runs on the Studios/AK route.)
  • paradiju
    paradiju Member Posts: 46
    edited April 2012

    Roan -- that is a great goal. And I am really happy for you that your onc didn't put you on tamox.

    I am supposed to be on it and i did try for three months -- since Jan. but i finally gave it up. I couldn't deal with the depression, anxiety attacks and flashes not to mention joint pain. I guess like many of us runners, i am more into quality of life than quantity!

    I am aiming for a triathlon this summer but these last few mornings my running has sucked. I went off Tamox a week ago and i don't know if my body is readjusting or what. I normally run at a 9.5 to 10 min mile rate and these last few days i've had to take walk breaks and slow down, i was overheating and i had trouble getting my heart rate down (i ran in the gym on the treadmill and the gym is cool so it's not a weather issue.

    As for taking off sports bras!! No kidding -- how difficult is that, especially when you are sweaty. My shoulder still kills (i'm doing PT) but the radiation really did a number on the muscles, ligaments and even joint. Taking my bra off is the hardest part of the day LOL!

    Oh well i guess there is no where to go but up.

    It is supposed to be a beautifull sunny week and everything in my garden is blooming so i am going to be positive today!! :)

    cheers

    Judy

  • eulabt
    eulabt Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2012

    Any recommendations on training plans for a marathon? I have done the half training on my own with a guide from a running magazine, but am thinking I may need a better plan for a full. We are off to Aruba tomorrow for Spring Break. Last year we were stuck at home because of my breast cancer, so this year is a celebration! We will be gone for 10 days:) Happy Easter to everyone and good luck with everyone's running.

  • paradiju
    paradiju Member Posts: 46
    edited April 2012

    Aruba! Lucky you -- great way to celebrate.

    I used to just run -- but in typical male fashion, when my husband got involved many years after i started to run -- he had to buy all the gear and books. So we started to train using Galloway's book -- but now it's all on line. Try www.jeffgalloway.com/training/marathon or www.runnersworld.com both sites have great plans.

    Happy Easter!

    Judy

  • eulabt
    eulabt Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2012

    Thank you Judy! I will check those out when I get back:)

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2012

    Jeff Galloway is the official runDisney training plan. I like it but I do cut corners. And this is why you'll always be faster than me! :-)

  • paradiju
    paradiju Member Posts: 46
    edited April 2012

    Hi -- it's still me but i'm so vain -- i had to find a better picture -- taken in Turkey after a lovely run 6 months pre BC -- oh happy days! Can hardly wait to have my "real" hair back -- currently it is an 1 1/2" grey mess!

    cheers 

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited April 2012

    Goldlining- the sad news is that Disney will not be doing the Chip an Dale this year. It may have been a one time thing. My sister and niece did the race in January. I had signed up for the Goofy before I got my diagnosis and I figured I needed all the help I could get in finishing. I roped my obese and sedentary sister into doing the first half of the relay. Granted I had to pull the cancer card but she did it (with less than 10 weeks training!) She had a blast and the medals were really quite cute!

    For training I like the Hal Higdon plan. He has several options to choose from and they are free on-line

    For sports bra- several weeks after surgery I loved the ones with the zippers in the front! I think Moving Comfort makes them

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2012

    Thanks for all of the encouragement, ladies! I ran the Disney Half in 2011. We went with friends and all of our children, and the 4 of us parents did the half, and then my husband did the Goofy Challenge (full marathon the next day)! We are going back this upcoming January with the same family-- plus our five kids and their four, plus another family and their four children. My husband is doing the Goofy again along with the wife of the new family, and my best friend and I are doing the full. She and I have run our other two marathons together and we do all of our long runs together. I figured we will be slower, but I just want to do it. After we finished our 2nd marathon last year, my friend and I said "no more!", until our kids were older. The training takes so much time. However, as you know bc changes everything, and I want to prove to myself that bc didn't defeat me, and I asked her to run a post bc with me....as soon as possible! She happily agreed.

    EULABT-- have a great trip!! When you get back, PM, me and I will send you my marathon training program. I actually have a marathon "coach" who made this plan for my friend and me.

    Have a great day everyone!

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited April 2012

    Roan- you should do the Goofy! I am planning on signing up this year to do it again! I have finished it twice- one time I DNF but I still had fun. January's Goofy meant the most to me- I was three months post op from my BMX with reconstruction. I don't know what I was thinking!.

    I would encouarge you to sign up as soon as registrations open up. This is a 10 year anniversy for the full. The Marine Corps Marathon sold in in 2 hours!

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2012

    So sad about the Chip and Dale! Well, maybe SOME day I will try Mickey. (I don't know if it's just me, but ALL the other runDisney Half medals appeal to me more than Donald!) 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited April 2012

    I must be the only person in the world who didn't enjoy their RunDisney experience. Maybe I just don't have the Mickey mentality? But I'm happy to hear others are planning their races and are moving forward in their progress.

    I had my first workout with my coach yesterday at the track, one-on-one time, which I absolutely loved. My half is in less that two weeks and I'm feeling about 75-80% back to my full strength, so I'm very happy about that. firstcall, how's training for Boston going? Looks like I'll be making a road trip up there myself to watch the marathon, driving up right after my half on Sunday. Ambitious plans, I know, and really not like me, but if anything, having this diagnosis this past year has taught me not to avoid doing something I want just because it's out of my comfort zone.

    Happy and healthy running to all! 

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited April 2012

    I was able to sign up for Disney Marathon Weekend this morning- I am in for Goofy #4!

    If you want ti sign up early- go thru disneyrewards.com

    No I don't have a disney credit card

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited April 2012

    I'm getting ready for Boston!  Its not likely that I'll be able to finish it, but I might as well go run what I can of it.  I have blood work Friday to see if I can be cleared to travel.  Had T/C one week ago, and my last treatment is on April 19th. 

    So I've been thinking about everyones suggestions for my T Shirt.....

    I'm thinking something like this....

    On the Front:    While training for Boston my Breast Tried to Kill me....

    On the Back:  One Chemo to go

    Suggestions? 

  • iswimibikeirun
    iswimibikeirun Member Posts: 743
    edited April 2012

    Good luck, firstcall!  I'm sure you'll finish . . . just pace yourself.  Remember, there is an 8 hour time limit (longer than most others).  Hope the blood work goes well!

    I personally can't imagine training for another marathon . . . I don't like driving that far, much less running that far! Well, actually, I'm so slow the training runs take so long.  But, what counts is that we're out there! 

  • ymac16
    ymac16 Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2012

    Reading all of your posts is an inspiration for me! Sadly, after I went all out post chemo #2 both work wise and then going for a run, it really wore me down and chemo #3 knocked me out for a good 2 weeks. The onco nurse told me I overdid it and to back off through the rest of my treatments. So, I'm going to give up running for now. I want to make it thru the rest of chemo with no more major downers. Plus, I just don't know where to fit it in anyway - I work more than full time and I have 2 kids that require a lot of attention! I used to get up at 5am to run, but now with the chemo, I'm just too tired to get up,that early. My last tx is on May 17 so I plan to start up again in early June. I just signed up to do the Marine Corp 10k on Oct. 28 and I'm thinking about signing up for the Baltimore half on Oct. 13 - need to have a goal to motivate me back into running!



    As for training programs, 2 years ago I tried to do it on my own and ended up with severe shin splints by building up my mileage too quickly. I had months of PT and couldn't run for 5 months. Last year, I signed up to train for a half with LLS Team In Training and then a full with Team to End AIDS. Both use the Galloway method. The down side was I had to raise a lot of money, but the up side was it forced me to pace myself and to get my butt out of bed to train! I will train on my own for the races this year, but I've kept my training schedules from last year's programs which I will use to help me this time. I will gladly share them if anyone wants them.



    Good luck with Boston firstcall

  • paradiju
    paradiju Member Posts: 46
    edited April 2012

    I have done New York, Chicago, Washington and Toronto but never Disney  -- my fear always has been that it gets too hot. Does it? Being Canadian I'm not used to hot weather running.

    I would love to do Boston but i have never qualified and now i am not sure if my knees can take it anymore --

    Way to go firstcall -- wishing you all the best

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited April 2012

    Firstcall- many thoughts and positive energy for you.

    "If you think Heartbreak Hill is tough- try breast cancer!"

    Paradiju- the first goof I tried had record breaking cold weather. It was snowing at the start and water froze at the water stations. It was colder in Orlando then in NH!

    Generally it is not too warm in January. Don't forget that the start is at an ungodly early time- 5:30 I think which means the sun it not up so you do have to dress in multiple layers. The tossed off clothes go to the homeless. Handwarmers are lovely too!

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited April 2012

    "If you think Heartbreak Hill is tough- try breast cancer!" Ooh, I like that!

    It's not the heat at Disney that did me in, but the early start time. Basically the night before, considering you need to be on the bus by 3am, which meant a wakeup call for me at 1am. My stomach had no idea how to function at that hourr. But at 7am, about 7 miles into the race, it knew what to do.... Frown 

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited April 2012

    groovygirls.....I like that!  I think we're getting close

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited April 2012

    The BEST runDisney weather and time-wise is Disneyland Half in Anaheim on Labour Day weekend. The 6am start is "9am" for people from the east coast that are not yet adjusted to Pacific time so digestively it is more convenient, and the temps are about 15C to start but not too stinkin' hot later. And if you stay in the Disney hotels, you can walk to the starting line in 5 minutes so you don't have to be on a bus at 4am for a 6am start like at WDW. It sells out very quickly although a second Half in January there has taken some pressure off. They don't have a full marathon course at DL though. The start temperature in January in California is cooler than Florida (normal Florida). I ran the Princess at WDW in Feb in very cold temperatures the same year it was freezing on Marathon weekend. That was just a freakish year.  

    I like that "If you think Heartbreak Hill..." slogan!

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited April 2012

    Ah, now you're talking, goldlining! But I doubt I would travel for a half marathon. Still, that's good to know....

    Don't know if this will be of any interest to anyone (other than me), but I just found these recipes for long run fuel alternatives for those who keep kosher for Passover. Dates instead of gels sounds quite palatable, and I just bought the ingredients to make the granola. I have an 11 mile run on Sunday, not really that long, but still, I will need something substantial before and during. After, I can always make myself eggs. :) 

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