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Welcome not! It's great to have you here, but so sorry that you have had so many challenges. Good for you that you are staying on a healthy course and didn't get discouraged along the way when bc developed. I agree with the others about the vit D-3. I haven't tried any pot...I wouldn't smoke it because I don't enjoy smoking anything...maybe eating it mixed in something. What does it do for you in terms of improving your health besides relaxation? Believe it or not, my DM used to take pot pills to help her glacouma. My kids used to think that was so cool:)
Be sure and have your eyes checked. I have macular degeneration and the burning and blurry vision can be a sign of that progressing. They have meds to fix that now, so don't let it go.
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Not, you're right the vit D is a synthetic, that's why I take cod liver oil, as it also supplies vit A and omegas.- I still need to find me some kimchi (I keep forgetting when I'm at the store) how do you ingest it ? I hear it stinks and really tastes bad Lol
I think most of us carry those dang viruses and they certainly cause a whole lot of problems - they can hide for years and years then all of a sudden rear their ugly heads - many cancers are related to viruses. Hope you can get your eyes fixed so you can play with us more
Essa, did it happen only once to vomit when taking the vit D ? maybe it's just a fluke. If it happens more than once then I wouldn't take so much maybe - it's easy to overdose on A and D
Good morning Kaara !
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Hi Kaara, thanks for the wisdom. I agree about eating it instead of smoking it. I really DON'T want to get high, just heal. I'll get the eyes checked, but my main problem seems to be not being diagnosed correctly. That's why I have a hard time believing I have BC and the treatments they have.
I had fibrocystic breast so bad in the one with BC I was happy to have it gone. It was bigger than the painless one too. SO, maybe one day I'll have them made to look alike.
Maude, I like kimchi. It's a little bit spicy, but it's an Asian form of sauerkraut, and easy to make. The Chinese restaurant sells it to go for $3. The kind in the stores has MSG.
Essa, I couldn't take D3 from OTC because it gave me very bad heartburn. The kind the doc gives me doesn't do that. She said there's a big difference in products.
My BIG question lately is do I believe in the philosophy that "we create our own reality"? Do you? I keep getting this from everyone everywhere. I'm creating this. It seems to be true to a point, but why would babies or children choose to suffer? Even when we're old and "enlightened" why would we choose to suffer? Jesus did, and so did Buddha! But, I've had enough already!
Any thoughts?
XO
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hmmmm Not, that's a really deep question....I'm sure there's some psychological factor involved, some studies show a lot of childhood abuse in cancer patients. I often wonder the same thing, am I punishing myself ? I read that guilt is a big psychological factor - I'll try to find a few articles in the mountain of research I have, like finding a needle in a haystack...
I think the basic premise is that any kind of stress, physical, emotional, etc. will depress our immune system and that's when disease has the opportunity to manifest itself. There is definitely a vulnerability to disease, as most of us suffer from other parallel problems, i.e. auto-immune disease, etc.
Looking forward to the other's sisters' responses, this subject is fascinating to say the least
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It's a known fact that stress plays a huge role in developing cancer. When I think back, if it takes ten or more years for bc to develop, I was in a very stressful place at that time....very intense career, going through a divorce, and on top of that, my youngest son got in a lot of trouble which almost did me in.
I thought I handled it all very well, but probably internalized it and this dx last year was the result. I don't recall suffering any abuse as a child...I had a charmed childhood with loving parents and grandparents, although there was one episode where my father died suddenly by suicide. It was very traumatic for me, and I'm sure I never quite understood why he would do such a thing. I really never went into therapy, just kind of sorted it all out over the years on my own. Maybe not the best idea.
I've always been very healthy...never many illnesses until several years ago when I had a series of health issues...bee stings, shingles, UTI's, flu and so on, almost back to back, and then a year later the dx. Who's to say if any of this played a part in the development of bc, but at least I caught it early and I seem to be NED at the moment.
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This my my herbal teacher talking about soy...
"Part of the problem is that doctors see the word "estrogen" and they automatically assume that it must be dangerous. If that is the case then we need to stop eating. Phytoestrogens are found in nearly all the healthy foods we consume including flax oil, yams, onions, garlic, seaweeds....... You are right, the phytoestrogens lock up estrogen receptors blocking the actions of stronger estrogens, including our own and xenoestrogens. Here is a write up I did previously on phytoestrogens:
Phytoestrogens DO NOT promote cancer. Phytoestrogens are on average 200 to 400 times weaker than the body's own estrogens. They can lock up estrogen receptors though blocking the actions of stronger estrogens. This is why many studies have found anti-cancer properties to soy and other phytoestrogen sources. In fact many phytoestrogens and phytoestrogens are routinely used to fight cancer. Red clover blossoms for example, which contains the same phytoestrogens found in soy plus two others. And resveratrol from grape skins, which is also a phytoestrogen.
And what about broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables, which are also phytoestrogen sources. And seaweeds that have a long history of being used in the treatment of cancer.
Many of the common foods we eat, and that are considered healthy, are actually phytoestrogen sources. These include sage, parsley, yams (extremely high), peas, kudzu, beans, carrots, bananas, oranges, grains, barley, grapes, baker's yeast, beets, pomegranates, cherries, garlic, oats, olives, peppers, sunflower seeds, flax seed, rye, spinach, sesame seeds, pumpkin, rhubarb, tomatoes, rice, plums, potatoes, papaya, dates, eggplant, anise, fennel, cucumber, peanuts, and onions. And there are beverages people think are healthy, at least in moderation. These include green tea, grape juice, and wines. Beer, ouzo, gin, and whiskey are also very high in phytoestrogens. Then there are flavonoids, which also have phytoestrogen-like effects. These are also found in many foods including berries and onions.
Bottom line is that if people really want to avoid phytoestrogens they will pretty much need to stop eating and drinking.
Luckily phytoestrogens provide numerous health benefits including protecting us from cancer and improving bone strength. As a side note, anyone remember the "Grape Cancer Cure"? The only thing I can see in grapes that would allow them to be highly effective against cancer are the phytoestrogens in the grapes.
As for soy and its phytoestrogens, I think this myth of phytoestrogens promoting cancer just keep getting spread around by anti-soy proponents to scare people away from soy." ~ James Sloane, my herbal guru
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"All soy products are cooked and/or fermented, which reduces or destroys any potentially problematic compounds in soy. So unless someone is allergic to soy there really is no reason to fear soy products.
But high levels of phytoestrogens are actually goitrogenic. Same reason why flax seed, which is about 4 times higher in phytoestrogens than soy, suppresses the thyroid.
There are also enzyme inhibitors and hemagglutinins that are destroyed by the heating and fermentation." ~James Sloane, herbal guy
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Wow. It can be a confused and confusing field out there. Ultimately, a dose of common sense and listening to the body and what it wants to eat and having some (and ongoing) knowledge is helpful.
I believe, when the body is fairyly healthy, it tells us when and what we need to eat and when to exercise, etc.
(On the other hand, when it is out of balance, it can really ask for all the wrong stuff.)
We are not taught, in this culture, to listen to our own innate wisdom or our bodies or our intuitions. It's important to do these. A healer, east or west, should work with those wisdoms and signals and intuitions and help those of us who are out of balance, including being frightened, to move back into balance.
I think the body wants to and is designed to be healthy.
So I believe wine, chocolate, butter are not bad foods in a balanced body either. I naturally like to eat pretty fresh stuff, but sometimes I want to eat what I want that's not on that list. So long as my body is mostly in balance, it processes other stuff just fine.
( A Buddha, if he wants, can eat anything and piss 100% fresh spring water. A big joke of his, which he find very funny!)
But, within my human reach, there are also choices, I can make about who I spend time with, or like selecting and eating the same food I want, only more whole, more toxin-free, antibiotic or hormone free over frankenmeat, etc.
Now, the body-mind-heart-spirit connection is very interesting. Children fail to thrive and can even die if they are not loved or can display all the classic signs of retardation or low IQ and functionality. Even being worried where you can't sleep or become sleep deprived can break down the body's defenses.
I believe that my cancer came from or was contributed to by a stress in my life that I couldn't control even though I could locate it without a doubt. Whew! It was so obvious that others who know me feel strongly in agreement. But my body also showed it to me early like it was trying to help me which I am very grateful for. We have to learn to listen to ourselves
I sure don't like hearing people saying that someone brought it on themselves though. That's just plain mean-spirited and blaming. Sometimes we can do something more about our stresses and sometimes we can't change things and we can't stop their effects on us. And, boy-oh-boy, then a person needs more LOVE and kindness, not blaming.
Even for those who don't believe in it, stress effects the body making it harder to do it's job. But we are not bad because we are frightened or worried. We need care for those things. And we need doctors and loved ones who will look straight into the heart of the matter with us and help us as we make those connections that will heal us as whole people.
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http://www.naturalnews.com/035289_radiation_cancer_stem_cells.html
New study: Radiation treatments create cancer cells 30 times more potent than regular cancer cells
(NaturalNews) In a groundbreaking new study just published in the peer reviewed journal Stem Cells, researchers at UCLA's Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center Department of Oncology found that, despite killing half of all tumor cells per treatment, radiation treatments on breast cancer transforms other cancer cells into cancer stem cells which are vastly more treatment-resistant than normal cancer cells. The new study is yet another blow to the failed and favored mainstream treatment paradigm of trying to cut out, poison out or burn out cancer symptoms (tumors) instead of actually curing cancer.
Senior study author Dr. Frank Pajonk, associate professor of radiation oncology at the Jonsson Center, reported that induced breast cancer stem cells (iBCSC) "were generated by radiation-induced activation of the same cellular pathways used to reprogram normal cells into induced pluripotent stem cells (iPS) in regenerative medicine." Pjonk, who is also a scientist with the Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative Medicine at UCLA, added "It was remarkable that these breast cancers used the same reprogramming pathways to fight back against the radiation treatment."
In the new study, Pajonk and his team irradiated normal non-stem cell cancer cells and placed them into mice. Through a unique imaging system, the researchers observed the cells differentiate into iBCSC in response to radiation treatments. Pjonk reported that the newly generated cells were remarkably similar to non-irradiated breast cancer stem cells. The team of researchers also found that the radiation-induced stem cells had a more than 30-fold increased ability to form tumors compared with non-irradiated breast cancer cells.Despite mounting evidence, mainstream medicine clings to surgery, chemo and radiation and ignores natural solutions
Despite all the billions of dollars spent on cancer, the 40 year "war on cancer" has been a losing one by any honest evaluation. One hundred years ago, anywhere from 1 in 50 to perhaps 1 in 100 people could be expected to develop cancer. Now it is estimated that 1 in every 2 men and 1 in every 3 women will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetimes. Despite more people around the world developing cancer and dying from cancer every year, mainstream medicine continues to cling to failed treatments which more often than not fail to eliminate the cancer and help cancer spread and return more aggressively than ever. Notably, two of the three major mainstream cancer treatments - radiation and chemo - are themselves highly carcinogenic.
One might think that the new study provided ample reasons to rethink using radiation. However, the study authors looked at the results as an opportunity to continue and enhance the use of radiation by finding ways to control the cell differentiation. What the scientists failed to note is that natural alternatives have already been found which prevent the development of cancer stem cells.
As just one example, Natural News reported in May 2010 that a University of Michigan study had found a compound in broccoli and broccoli sprouts which had the ability to target cancer stem cells. See:
http://www.naturalnews.com/028822_broccoli_breast_cancer.html
The researchers failed to note how cancer cells fought against unnatural treatments. They also failed to take into account the mounting evidence that the best way to beat cancer as well as avoid it is to build and enhance our natural first line of defense - our immune system.
The safest and most effective way to enhance the natural immune system and fight cancer in general is by working with nature. It is also by far the least expensive way, and therein likely lies the rub. You can't patent and profit from nature like you can with mainstream drugs and treatments.
Note: Neither NaturalNews nor this author condone the inhumane use of animals in medical studies.
Other sources included:
www.cancer.ucla.edu/Index.aspx?page=644
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120213185115.htm
www.naturalnews.com/cancer_cells.html
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It is enough to do me in. I wept tonight when my PT/OP told me, that after radiation, I would ALWAYS have ruined shortened muscles and rib pain. ALways...
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I agree Truebff. Stress is a major contributor to cancer and most diseases because it makes our immunity go way down, as does the alopathic treatment for BC.
We need to build our immune systems up! And, loving ourselves and being around loving people is SO important. But, I'm getting the cold shoulder from the BC support groups in town, my surgeon and all the rest of the BC gang because I'm not going the toxic drug route.
I agree we need to listen to our bodies. They heal us better than any drug or surgery if we let them!
XO
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Has anyone used Dr. Lorraine Day's protocol? She was brave to let the tumor grow SO big!
http://www.drday.com/tumor.htm
Radio talk by Dr. Day
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A lot of interesting info here! I can't pinpoint any major stressor in my life around the time of diagnosis, just the everyday stuff. And if you account for the fact that most tumors are present for X years before they are detectable, I still can't go back and find anything major.
Dianeessa - I've never had a problem with my D3 and I take 5000 daily. I really tolerate all of my supplements very well. I had stomach problems for so long before I went gluten-free. I did not realize that for a period of time I was NEVER hungry. Went gluten-free all at once, and about three days later I woke up one morning HUNGRY! Thought I had a stomach ache again - LOL.
I have blood work next week and then an appt with the MO the following week, where we will have to have the no Tamoxifen discussion. That should be fun...
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I was set to do rads, but in the end, when I couldn't get the targeted 5 day version, I opted out. I just couldn't let them do WBR on me for the early stage cancer I had...it didn't feel right. Everything I'm reading now is reinforcing that decision. I am taking tamoxifen, but only 1/2 the recommended dose.
From all my research, it has some protective benefits to prevent recurrence and spread, and as long as the SE's are not too bad, I will continue. It is supposed to protect the heart and bones, and as my BS explained it, it blocks the estrogen receptors in breast and prevents the bad cells from attaching themselves and growing. If trying to decide between the two evils, it's probably the better choice, at least for me it was.
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I had some major stress that I could do nothing about for several years before I was diagnosed with Cancer so I do believe the stress was a major factor for me. I did do radiation and I really regret ever doing it. I was rushed into surgery and rads before I knew what was going on. I handle things much differently now and asked lots of questions and research before agreeing to move forward with any treatment. I just had a BMX and I am taking tamoxifen but I have decided I will not do 5 years of AI's which they want me to do after my 5 years of Tamox. I am doing Zometa for 3 years instead of chemo.
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I am very impressed by some of the recent posts. You gals are doing your homework! Wish we had "like" buttons. A lot of the info is on the natural girls threads already, but it is good to restate it here because so much gets lost in a long thread. This is why I started my own site, so I could archive information.
We once had a very long thread about radiation. It was eventually deleted because it became a heated topic. I was furious when the thread was destroyed, because there were so many great links. I really applaud those of you who are doing your homework before you make a decision on your treatments. I was putty in the hands of my doctors at the time, doing whatever I was told, even though my head was screaming at me that it was "overkill". I did manage to convince them that I did not need an oncotype test when they said that would determine if they would recommend chemo. I had clear nodes and wide margins. The idea of doing chemo based on some test seemed insane. They were not happy when I backed out. Then when I said no to arimidex, I had another long fight. But I am glad I stuck to my guns on that one. I just did not see all those side effects as something I wanted to endure for such a small (supposed) benefit.
But the rads issue is one I have had to come to terms with. I know it has compromised my health, and I am so mad I did not do the research on the long term effects. But I keep working on ways to detox from it. I have managed to get rid of the rib pain after I went to a chinese doc who treated me with deep tissue massage and ultrasound. I also used a machine called an acuscope that my DC has and the pain is now gone. I still have some breathing issues, and as I have said many times, my thermographs still show the damage, over 4 years later. I am so much healthier in every way, but if I ever had a recurrance (which I don't really even worry about), I would blame it on the radiation. I really resent how I was not presented with more of the facts, but I am resolved that "live and learn" is about all I can do.
I just really applaud those of you who are taking more control of your life sooner than I did. It was thanks to some of the original posters around here that I learned to educate myself. Knowlege is power ladies. Keep doing your homework!
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I just got my path report back and it's not good. High grade 8/9 invasive tumor, high grade insitu tumor and sentinal node macro metastasis 7mm tumor. Estrogen positive and HER2 high positive 3+.
I promised my BS I'd go to the onc and at least listen to his speale on poisions. I've got to admit I'm scared, and feel like "shooting the mouse with a shotgun" but I know it will only backfire.
My coping skill is denial. I tell myself they made a mistake. I have no cancer critters in me!
XO
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I'm so sorry Gina, we know exactly how you feel, that terrible feeling when the axe falls down. That's what I kept saying at first, it's a mistake, this cannot be. Give yourself time to let it sink in, eventually it will be part of your life, a new reality. One day at a time is the best way to tackle this.
Hugs little sister, we're here with you XO
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Not - I am so sad to hear this result for you.
What I learned this week.
That I want this book in my library and this treatment in my life. Please consider getting this book.
The Fourth Treatment for Medical Refugees - Thermotherapy in the New Century.
Nobuhiro Yoshimizu M.D. Ph.D.
Far infrared ray is the key to preventing mestatic cancers and strengthening immunity. copyright 2009 Physician studied at Mayo too.
If this therapy is used with chemotherapy, only 10 - 20% of the chemo is needed. (There is also IPT therapy and PolyMVA with chemo, both of which use 10% instead of 100%.)
Or can be used w entire protocol and no chemo.
The summary is the low body temp of almost all cancer people can be raised, the cancer cells can die naturally, the stress levels of cancer people needs managed too (I knnnooooowww, really, when you get a dx like that???) bcz the stress even causes the body temp to lower. Full of scientific evidence, references. Japanese physician who also studied at Mayo.
I, for one, ..........after being refused by THREE cancer treatment centers and refused by two oncs that I wanted support from, with all their knowledge and the means to order the right tests..... refused bcz I was honest and told them I was not doing chemo or rads, definitely consider myself a medical refugee. Cool book.
(((((NOT)))))
This book was written with cancer refugees in mind, those who have used everything in conventional medicine and ht the wall. Thosse who do not choose Western medicine at all..... or only surgery or only chemo. Cancer people who do not seem to have choices are told this is a better choice anyway, in my humblest and most enthusiastic opinion.
This biomat sounds so much easier and more affordable and it folds up.
Edited for temperance and to identify "this" and "that".
Edited to add what I found on a company page, just copy paste it to do a search for on ethat FDA covers:
""" Workman's Comp, Health Savings accounts and Flex Spending cover the expense for the Bio-Mat.
A letter from a health care professional is required.
The Richway Professional Bio-Mat is Registered with the FDA as a Medical Device #2954299 """"Edited to add, thanks Joy for the sauna link, I will check thaat out too, and the thread onincreassing body temp. These mats are higher than what I want to pay this month, perhaps I can find a clinic where I can use one unlimited use for a month or so at a reasonable cost.
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Gina: So very sorry to hear about your dx. It does sound very aggressive which means that your tx options will need to be aggressive as well. Please go with an open mind and hear what your MO has to say. Get a second opinion or even a third if needed in order to feel comfortable about tx.
Sending you prayers and positive energy to get through this challenge.
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Essa, I want to get that mattress too, can't afford the sauna, so that looks like a compromise, not too expansive either. I want to get that book ! You and I are turning into book worms, Lol !!
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Thanks Everyone. I love you all so much. It's really a comfort to hear from people who understand. I feel the hug Essa and hug you back. I'll find the book. It sounds like a plan. I would feel so much better with a plan and a doc to support me. Did you eventually find one?
I'm hypoT and temp has always been low. They're saying getting it up will prevent cancer? I prolly need thyroid meds. I stopped taking them.
Here's an article saying parabens are in 99% of BC patients.
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How do you put quotes and more on your DX on the bottom of your profiles?
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Not, you fill out the 'signature' box in Edit profile
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NOT-You are just beginning your journey. We all know how scared you are. We have been there. Listen to your docs, do the research and then follow your instincts. Read Dr. Northrups books about women's wisdom. The Wisdom of Menopause became my handbook and really helped me get my head around the whole thing. It was so empowering.
DianaEssa-glad to see you include more info about a far infrared sauna. Low body temp is indeed a precursor to cancer, and I have met very few women with bc who were not hypthyroid, often undiagnosed, but all the symptoms were there like me. One of the best investments I made was a far infrared sauna. I go in it almost every night and I love how relaxed it makes me and I love the feeling of zapping all those free radicals I attracted during the day. I found a sauna that is pretty reasonble, and worth every penny. It is portable and you sit it in it. It does not look fancy but it sure does the trick. I have since become friends with the guy who sells them. I do not sell them, because I want people to know how much I believe in them, but he will give a discount to bc survivors who use my name. Let me know if you are serious about one. check out info on the sauna at momentum98.com
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Not - so sorry to hear your diagnosis. There is a lot to absorb and think about at this point. Just a thought - my onc retested my HER2 with the FISH test and it came back NEGATIVE after being strongly positive on biopsy. Changed my course of treatment completely.
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Madpeacock - the FISH test, hhmmmm. Good to know.
Maud - think it was on this thread that you assked about the 60 cells.
I thought it was the path report but it was the oncogene analysis that showed 60 cancer cells. I am assuming the onco is a sample of tissue. Will check on tests forum.
What a Rife Machine can do....
For the path report, here is the actual wording. Remember I was using the RIFE electrodes right on the mass prior to the excisional biopsy. Apotosis would be ideal cell death but mine was neucrosis, which needed removed anyway, esp w the node involvement.
" Microscopic examination reveals sections of fibroadibose breast tissue w a poorly differentiated infiltrating ductal carcinoma. The tumor is composed of nests and islands and very rare suggestion of tubule formation w high nuclear grade and numeroous mitotic figures, measured peripherally. Some areas of scarring and neucrosis are seen. The lesion is extrememy close <.1mm to the green inked laateral margin and this is indicated as positive. "
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Essa, I did not have the oncotype testing and am not familiar, must be extremely precise to count 60 cancer cells. Little sister, it bugs me that the new DIM you found also contains soy
but you know better than me I want to go back and read MBJ's posts, I believe she was the one who was seriously into raising her bod temperature, really well versed on the subject.
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Not-
Sorry to hear of your diagnosis. I don't have a lot of advice, except to get a few opinions on treatment options and to read everything about condition and treatment, both natural and conventional. Though a lot of us feel rushed to make a decision on treatment, take the time to discuss with multiple practitioners before making your decisions so you can rest assured later that you made the right choice with the best information.
Peace to you,
M
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