Early Stage Natural Girls!
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How do you find a doctor that advocates alternative methods.
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Windy5: I found my alternative physician in Suzanne Sommer's book "Breakout". In the back she has a list of doctors broken down by state and town I believe. Mine has turned out to be pretty good and has given me a lot of good advice about diet and supplements. I'm also taking vitamin infusions weekly. Just had a thermography done at the same office, and they also have accupuncture and chiorpractor on site. It's a good system. He ran tests on me that my conventional docs failed to do like the CTC (circulating tumor cell test) to determine if there are cancer cells floating around in your body that can be detected. Mine was negative..zero...so that was comforting. It helped me make my decision on how to proceed with treatment.
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Hi Windy, hi Kaara
Windy, we all worry about reocurrence whether we're on AIs or Tamox or whatever (I'm weaning myself off Tamox after two years and have started DIM - make sure yours does not contain soy). That's why so many of us are trying so hard to prevent it with all means possible and are exploring natural health therapies. Congrats on your B9 mammo. Sounds like you've got your supps covered and I'm sure you're giving Vit D the priority it deserves.
This thread, in particular, is a must read:
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/79/topic/730113?page=1
Tuckertwo has great tips on this one on how to find a naturopathic oncologist:
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/79/topic/784260?page=1#idx_18
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This looks to be a great thread. I have already read a couple of things I want to follow up on. I am only on the first page of the thread, and I'm going to take a break, will try to watch the Daniel Viatlis movie. Then I need a nap. Not feeling great today. So, I'll be reading lots more from you in the coming days.
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I know I have gone through multiple allergies over the years. I didn't have problems as a child - at all. When I was about 17-18 all of a sudden I became allergic to shellfish. Violently. Hives, flushing, swelling, vomiting, the works. So, I didn't eat any fish or shellfish for a number of years. One day I decided to try some tuna, and I was fine. Been eating it ever since with NO problems.
Then I became allergic to sulfites - preservatives on salad bars, wine, etc. Same problems as above. But that went away too.
Throughout all of this, I had eczema on my hands that started when I was about 20. Blisters, itching, swelling, peeling, yuck. It was under my nails and distorted them.
About two years ago I stopped eating gluten. Lo and behold, my hands cleared up. After more testing showed strong sensitivity to eggs and dairy, I went off them for six months to test. So, I was gluten/dairy/egg/soy free. Forces you to eat healthy! My hands now look they were never as bad as they were. All the ugly ridges have grown out and the skin is pink and healthy.
I take a pile of supplements and vitamins. I started tamoxifen in November, but I just "fired" it a few weeks ago and I feel SO much better. I'm now taking DIM w/I3C and Iodoral (iodine). Do I worry about a recurrence? Sure - who doesn't? But QOL has to play a part in how we manage this disease as well. I have a low stage and while that truthfully means nothing, I think I can move forward knowing I am managing my own health in the way I think is best for me.
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Maud, I do tell every doctor about the penicillin and also a sulfa drug allergic reaction. I do appreciate your telling me to do that though - very thoughtful as these allergies are potentially life threatening.
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Just found this thread. Now I'm a little concerned. I opted out of radiation because of my age, 76. Nobody, not the surgeon - not the radiation onc, told me that radiation would "clean up" my breast and therefore any possible cancer cells spilled from the core biopsy would be taken care of.
If I had known that, I probably would have done the radiation.
My mother always believed it was dangerous to cut into a cancerous tumor for just that reason. My original cancer was cut out (completely) by the surgeon in his office. When the results showed cancer I then has a mastectomy (lumpectomies were still very new at the time and not used much yet)
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Welcome to the cllub, where we never eet enough info to decide for our own best interest, where it comes as a surprise later on. But I am doing all I can to clean up my system via alternatives. I hope it is working.
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I found my integrative md in the back of the book I did not know I had, and now cannot find..... by that one whom I cannot remember, but the dr was listed w other drss that were nutritionists, but he and they were all integrative mds. Mine is a clinical and anatomical pathologist, and nuclear medicine.
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Hi! Very excited to read this thread. I have been on my journey with DCIS for over two years, but have just recently started reading/posting on this site. I have quickly realized that I belong with the natural girls! I created a blog to share my story and to bring the controversy around overtreatment of (low grade) DCIS to light. I did not expect so much criticism of my views and resources. I would love any positive feedback. I look forward to reading more on this thread and in the alternative forum. Thank you all for sharing your insights!!! I have felt very alone and hesitant to share my views because I did not want to hear more statistics and concerns. I am very careful about protecting myself from the naysayers. If you're interested in hearing my whole story, please see "Donna's Journey" at www.dcis411.com I look forward to more exchanges on this thread!
Donna
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To believe alternative is to be a controversial mark and open for many opinions. Stay strong and open-minded, this I know.
Going to get my shower and finish dinner and watch movies with Hubby. Been a good day so far.
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Essa: I wish I had insisted on surgery instead of the biopsy. But they probably wouldn't have done it.
In 1982, that was the standard procedure. If the diagnosis was cancer then you got a mastectomy. No further treatment.
I was lucky, the cancer never recurred.
But I discovered a new primary in the other breast last year. The onc insisted it was NOT a recurrence.
I guess it is possible that the first cancer could still recur (but it is almost 30 years ago now)
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dp4peace: Welcome to the thread! There is always controversary surronding alternative treatments and occasionally we get attacked by the nasayers on this site, but I just ignore them and move along with my day to day living. You will get a lot of support here from others who feel as you do.
I had a lumpectomy and opted out of radiation because I thought what they were trying to give me was an overkill for my stage and grade of bc. I do take tamoxifen, but only 1/2 the recommended dose, again, because why would I take the same dose as someone with more advanced bc. It's just common sense to me. I know conventional doctors have their "standard of care" that they must follow, but that doesn't mean I have to go along with it. I'm also following an anti cancer diet and supplementation program, and see an ND for IV vitamin infusions.
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Dogsandjogs: but you did have a lumpectomy recently correct ? Then everything is ok, some studies don't recommend rads for women your age, very little benefit. During lumpectomy, the BS is supposed to clean up the needle tract. Ask yours if he did the next time you see him. I will ask mine for sure
Did you see the article I posted today on another thread:
"Standard treatment for early breast cancer usually involves treatment with a combination of surgery and one or more adjuvant therapies, including chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and endocrine therapy. Younger women with early-stage breast cancer are almost always treated with surgery plus endocrine therapy.
However, women over 70 years have increasing rates of comorbidity, reduced life expectancy, and generally have more favorable breast cancer disease biology, while competing causes of death mean that they are less likely to die of their breast cancer, stage for stage, than a younger woman. (I would say that is certainly your case, it took 30 years for yours to come back!!)
If you look at the causes of death of older ladies with breast cancer, probably more than half of them die of something completely unrelated, which is completely different to 30 year olds with breast cancer," says Wyld.
And it gets more complicated, as the tolerance of older women to some of the therapies is reduced, increasing treatment-related morbidity and reducing the risk/benefit ratio.
As Wyld explains: "If you've got a very frail 90 year old with a heart problem, then clearly an operation might not be in her best interests."You can't just lump them all together."
"The important thing when dealing with older ladies is that you have to tailor treatment much more because you have to take into account their life expectancy because of their other conditions, and their frailty levels. Frail patients won't tolerate chemotherapy, and won't tolerate a major surgical procedure."
As a result, the very standardized treatment protocols used for younger women are rarely suitable for an older patient, and the goals of treatment are aligned more with improving quality of life than with curing the disease.
"You can't just lump them all together," says Wyld. "For older ladies you have to do a very thorough assessment of their fitness levels and then decide what they need to treat their cancer that they can tolerate."
http://www.medwire-news.md/interview14.aspx
Now, if my calculations are right, you have another 30 years ahead of you before it may show up again
Essa, you really cracked me up Lol, although I don't think it funny at all when I can't remember anything. I believe the book you referred to before is Bill Henderson's. Gotta get that book, everybody is mentioning it, unless it just shows up on one of my shelves from out of the blue Lol !!
dp4peace, hello and welcome, lots of great threads on this forum AND great gals !!
Kaara, I so agree with you that it does not make sense for us to take the same Tamox posology as stage IV
truebff, that's why we're here, to cover each other's back, hugs
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I tried dim-plus and my thyriod tsh level went up so I stopped taking it. I had not had a fluctuation in my thyriod for a long time and they had to increase the dosage after I sarted taking dim-plus. I am trying the miatake mushrooms now hopfully that will not have side effects.
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Windy-I tried arimidex for 4 days and literally threw the pills as far across the bathroom because it just pissed me off so much that I felt so pressured to take a drug. I have never regretted nor looked back, nor do I worry about a recurrence. In fact, I know it sounds crazy but I wish I had had breast cancer years ago. It has taught me to take better care of myself, and take my health more seriously and it has led me back to doing things I love for myself, and not just always giving to others, with no guilt. I am healthier and happier than I ever have been, thanks to bc. And I have met so many amazing people who share my passion for health.
When one door closes, take the window!
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RE;Windy-I tried arimidex for 4 days and literally threw the pills as far across the bathroom because it just pissed me off so much that I felt so pressured to take a drug. I have never regretted nor looked back, nor do I worry about a recurrence.
How self serving and so full of drama. Vivre you are trying to sell Usana supplements on BCO.
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dpforpeace: Black-cat's post above is what I refer to as an attack on this thread. It serves no real purpose and lacks any useful information. It's just pure scarcasm and an attempt to show scorn. I just ignore and move on. If we acted this way on the conventional threads we would be thrown off, so I don't understand why the moderators allow it here, but we deal with it. What you don't want to do is let it scare you off. It means nothing in the grand scheme of sharing information.
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I second you Kaara, I sure hope NOBODY is scared off by blackcat's freebies and drug pushing comments
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Repeatedly, BlackCat, you have been asked by a multitude of others on numerour threads in all forums to play nice and leave the snarkiness at the door, so again, would love for you to drop in with something positive.You opinion and point on Vivre has been made a number of times, so you don't need to follow her around and harass. The mods and bco will deal with any infraction, I am certain, and you can give up your control and relax so we all can.
Maud - I woke up trying to figure out where I placed 'that book' now, but it is not the BH one, I have that where I can see it, it's the other one I found on shelf when Ojibwa Tea Lady was on phone with me in January, it too unopened, not highlighted, and did not know where it came from either. Viola, there we found my integrative MD, like a miracle.
DogsandJogs - it's reasonable to believe the new primary is not a reoccurence. Did you have a biopsy on that? Or just opted for the lumpectomy this time?
Windy5 - the thyroid seems to be the most difficult to adjust and complement with all the other therapies FOR ME.... I found so many alternatives I wanted to use and with the need for my thyroid support I had to leave them out.... Cancell or Protocell and Paw Paw were the two main ones but I decided to take Paw Paw anyway, even though almost all I am taking seems to be considered to counter its effects. But with the kinesiology tests and bioenergetic machine tests, the Paw Paw was a positive resonance for me, so taking the chance. Of coursse, so is the bioidentical progesterone cream and I am still holding onto two tubes unopened, that is how uncertain I am even though that could help my thyroid too.
MadPeacock - good post, my MIL is allergic to eggs, gets migraines and never gave them up, one a day anyway, so I stopped feeling bad for her, but I do the same with sugar, cannot go completely off it even though I swell like a bullfrog after eating some and get really 'drunk' for a time, and now w the bc challenge, I should not eat it at all..... augh I need to have more compassion.
Vivre - I fortunately did not get pressured to take the Tamox but they were trying to give me the wrong one anyway and were soooo lax on suggesting I do something for the ER+ which I had no clue about when I had the surgery, I am so far out of menopause and the AI would have been better for me, if I chose one. I am taking the ActivaImmune DIM developed by a U of CA Berkeley, patented proprietary blend, going well so far. Just want thyroid to heal so I can go off the meds for it and use the adrenal and thyroid support. We love you.
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Kaara, take it easy on the golf course today
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ESSA !!!
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Thank you Maud!!!
my vision, beautiful, so very beautiful but must have frosting LOL
TO ALL - I just started a new topic, noncontroversial but helpful, I hope for that too.
Please share and pass it forward so we can get a good long list to help others.
Breast Cancer Symptoms - a comprehensive list by those w bc
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/83/topic/784673?page=1#idx_2
Thanks!
Essa Diane but you can call me whatever....
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Maud: Thanks for posting that article. Yes, I had a lumpectomy last year. No, it was not a recurrence from the one 30 years ago. It was in the other breast and the onc said it was a new cancer.
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Essa, I had a core biopsy and then the lumpectomy. No rads and no AI. I tried, but the SEs were horrendous and I have a heart rhythm problem and very bad osteoporosis (I'm 76, but my bones are like an 85 year old woman. I'm at 65 percent only and that's taking into consideration my age. . That is really scary -I've already broken a wrist and a hip (before the cancer diagnosis) I posted on another thread that I went in for another bone density test because I was worried about the state of my hip (it has 3 pins in it) but the tech said they can't measure the bone loss in that hip due to the pins! I don't want to risk further bone damage. Quit Fosamax too, due to pain in my jaw. Worried about "fossa-jaw" although the dentist said it is rare. Take calcium with D and jog every day--
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Yum Essa, that looks absolutely scrumptious
dogsandjogs, you remained cancer free for 30 years, that's AWESOME !! Did you have chemo and rads back then or just mastectomy on that breast ?
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Maud: In 1982 I had just a mastectomy as lumpectomies were new and the surgeon advised me against them. No other treatment followed the mastectomy except for an annual blood test to check for possible increases in embryonic cancer cells (which everyone has, according to the doc) After 5 years or so I quit doing the blood tests.
PS They took 17 lymph nodes so I still have numbness down to my waist and down to my elbow. They said eventually the nerves would regenerate and my feeling would come back, but it never happened. Luckily I never had lymphedema. It wasn't even mentioned. I was very active, running marathons ---I think all the running helped me heal fast. I also had immediate reconstruction.
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dogsandjogs, thanks ! No doubt about it - if I were you D&J, I would feel very confident about having skipped rads
Now, that is the best testimonial FOR THE SKEPTICS. Mast - no chemo, no rads, no Tamox or AI and lived to tell the tale 30 years later !!!
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Blackcat, whenever I see your name, I expect to see negativity. You rarely disappoint. It gives me occasion to ask myself, why am I still coming here, seven YEARS later? Oh yeah. I remember. To see my FRIENDS. I'm here to keep up with friends and make new ones. I have no clue why you're here. You make it difficult for me avoid negativity whenever I do see you posting here. The ignore button isn't enough. I still see your name whenever you post, and I know that you're bringing negativity in here with you. Just leave us alone why don't you?
Hi Donna, welcome to the thread. I must confess, I know so little about DCIS. I spent a bit of time years ago in the dcis section in an attempt to be more aware of what's what. There was a thread called something like 'how dare you minimize my diagnosis'. There were people getting upset that some, like Dr Susan Love (I think I'm recalling correctly), say that DCIS isn't cancer but a precancer. Boy howdy, if that had been my dx and I heard Dr Love's assessment, that would be the one I'd run into the hills with.
Apparently, a lot of people get upset by such a notion. That's as far as my dcis learning went. It was definitely returning to my mind over recent months though. My brother was dx'd with prostate cancer last October. Watchful waiting, which I think they call active surveillance, is the first line of treatment for early stages. It certainly gave me pause. I had to wonder, is this truly not an option for women too?
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I am very confused about phytoestrogens. I am holding off on my Essiax tea until I can find out how a phytoestrogen works and if it is a concern for ER+ people. I was looking at my green smoothie mix to see if watercress was in it. (That's supposed to be anti cancer but it wasn't in it.) I noticed lecithin from non gmo soy was in it. That bummed me a bit. I avoid soy as much as I can. Then I just read that milk thistle is a phytoestrogen, and milk thistle is in it too. I thought that was a good think to help detox the liver.
Does anyone have any information or can you point me to reliable information about phytoestrogens? I mean, Essiac Tea is a proven cancer fighter, and I told them I was ordering it for breast cancer. I would think they would have notified me that it was not good for bc if that was the case. And I will continue to ask the natural doctors that I meet. I meet with an herbalist on Saturday. I will share any info I learn.
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Dunesleeper, I responded to your post on the other thread (sorry, can't remember which one now...). I too just discovered that Milk Thistle is estrogenic - I was taking it for liver detox in a combo with ALA. My bottle did not mention which part of milk thistle it was extracted from so I trashed it. I got instead an extract from MT seeds and feel a bit more comfortable about it. Apparently, seeds are not phytoestrogenic, but I will have to research more about it. I agree with you liver detox is crucial in our case
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