Exercise - How much and what type

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pupmom
pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
edited June 2014 in Stage I Breast Cancer

is needed to help prevent a recurrence? Does anybody know?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited January 2012

    Hi Yorkiemom,

    Stay tuned to the main Breastcancer.org site for our brand new upcoming Exercise section. In the meantime, you may find some useful info in the Breastcancer.org Blogs on Exercise.

    Hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012
    Thanks mods! Smile
  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited January 2012

    Yorkie - my onc said she wants me doing at least 30 minutes a day. 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    Thanks Nats, that's good to know. I'm trying to get back to my hour a day. It varies, inevitably, due to other responsibilities. But every day I meet my goal is a good day! I'm really aiming for 7 hours per week,come hell or high water!

    Edit: Excercise also helps depression, which I am suffering from, post dx. 

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2012

    I am participating in a program/study being conducted by a university and research institute. The recommendations are minimum 4 - 5 hours per week aerobic/weight bearing, moderate intensity exercise plus strength/weights 2 - 3 times a week, and flexibility/stretching 3 - 5 times a week.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    Racy, that sounds like a great study! I do aerobics only on an exercise bicycle. I should probably start some weight lifting and stretching. I am so defensive about my axilllary node wound. I guess I could just exercise the other arm though.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited January 2012

    Years ago I heard Richard Simmons say that you should get 4 hours of aerobics and 3 hours of toning a week. That is what I have stuck to. Come over and join us on the "Lets Post Our Daily Exercise" thread. Great ladies in all stages of and post-treatment too (ncluding Nats and myself). We have just been talking about LE this week so you can get some tips about that over there too. Check it out!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    I'd love to join your cyber exercise group!  Posted there once then got distracted by the holidays and so many dr. appts. I can't count.

    Interesting about toning. Is that just to look firm, or is there a medical benefit? 

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2012

    yorkie, toning equals strength.



    I have only started at the gym last week and just realised that cycling is aerobic but not weight bearing (for bones). Weight bearing exercise is walking/jogging/running or aerobic classes such as step, also lifting weights.

    So I am combining treadmill with cycle in my program. I am also doing pilates, yoga and using gym equipment for strengthening.



    Regarding lymphedema risk, here is a quote from my program book, referring to studies on the topic: 'No evidence was found that upper limb exercise, whether carried out following surgery or during/following other cancer treatments, resulted in more patients developing arm lymphedema'. The program says to start slowly and 2 kilogram weights (5 ish pounds?) weights are used.



    Yes, the program I am doing is great. It's about managing menopausal symptoms and avoiding chronic diseases such as heart, diabetes, osteoporosis after BC through improved diet and exercise.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    Great info Racy! I've exercised sporadically throughout my life, but bc is turning me into an exercise fanatic!  I guess this disease has had one benefit for me.

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited January 2012

    Just a word to the wise about those studies about upper body exercise and LE - there have been some reported issues with the methodology used in some of those studies, so they key is to start VERY slowly with very light weights, and moderate reps, and to progress very slowly and carefully as well.  The National Lymphedema Network has a position paper on exercise.  It says in part:

    "Considerations for Designing an Exercise Program:
    A number of studies have shown that aerobic and resistance exercises are safe and beneficial for people with lymphedema or at risk of lymphedema if they follow the guidelines for progressing slowly, use recommended compression, and report any adverse effects to a professional who can help them adapt their exercise regimen.9,16‐21 Most studies on lymphedema and exercise have been done on breast cancer survivors, but the principles may guide exercise in other forms of lymphedema. Individuals with or at risk of lymphedema must report other health conditions that need to be considered in developing a personal exercise regimen (diabetes, heart disease, neuropathy, arthritis, etc). Modifications of aerobic and resistance exercise that are commonly recommended for individuals with lymphedema are: 1) Allowing adequate rest intervals between sets; 2) Avoiding weights that wrap tightly around an extremity or clothing that cause constriction; 3) Wearing compression sleeves or bandages during exercise; 4) Maintaining hydration; 5) Avoiding extreme heat or overheating; 6) Exercising in a circuit that alters the type of exercise and body part within the exercise session."

    Here's a link to the full position paper:  http://www.lymphnet.org/pdfDocs/nlnexercise.pdf

    Bottom line is slow means SLOW.  It means building up gradually, and stopping any use of the arm immediately (whether weights, yoga, or things like painting or shoveling snow) the instant you feel heaviness, tingling, or other "funny" feelings in the affected arm.  Don't finish out the set, don't hold that downward dog for another second, don't finish painting just that one section of wall.  

    You may want to check out the LE thread on BCO for more info - there are some amazingly informed women who post regularly there.  

    And as Ruth said, come on over to the Let's Post Our Daily Exercise thread - it's a fun supportive thread that really keeps you on track.  

  • MT1
    MT1 Member Posts: 371
    edited January 2012

    I bought a Wii Fit and have been doing a 1/2 hour minimum exercise everyday as an intro into exercising. I love it because I am gaining confidence in my self and my body and I can do it in the privacy of my home. I am a very different person now, bilat without recon, 18 pounds of weight loss. I don't want to work out in a gym yet, so this is a great start for me. I do stuff like run in place for 10 minutes, bycycle, hoola hoop (which I would love to do in REAL life) and boxing, the machine tracks my weight, body mass and time spent. It also tracks calories, which I do need to do considering, but it does help put perspective on snacking. My husband is doing it too and he is loosing weight, which he needs. 

    He comes home and starts playing, we switch back and forth. In between, when he is playing, I will do the stretched that my OT has suggested to regain my range of motion. And we hang out.

    I also really like the balance games on the Wii Fit, I have fallen several times since diagnosis last year and want to regain my strength and muscle tone so that I remain centered in my body as much as possible. 

    It works for me and it makes it into a game.  

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2012

    Good advice NatsFan.

  • Mallory107
    Mallory107 Member Posts: 223
    edited January 2012
    I remember reading in October before my dagnosis an article that mentioned that vigorous excercise is the best to prevent reoccurence.  I haven't found anything since then about that though.  I do plan to start spinning once I recover from my UMX.  I have actively avoided that all my life but I think now its time. Frown
  • gutsy
    gutsy Member Posts: 391
    edited January 2012

    I am having a hard time keeping up with exercise because of time demands. I try to walk a lot at a fast pace, but it is really hard to make it to a gym. I work full-time, have three kids with activities on a daily basis. It is one thing to state that I need balance in my life, but it is another thing to get it with the reality of every day life. I hope that walking fast is helpful when it comes to preventing recurrence

  • ExercisePhysiologist
    ExercisePhysiologist Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2012

    Some important things that need consideration when looking at how much and what type of exercise with Breast Cancer:

    1. Strength training is essential, especially upper body work. This needs to be prescribed correctly - start very light with general range of motion work and gradually increase this. Doing too much is a risk, as is doing nothing.

    2. Range of motion (flexibility) exercises are very important, especially after surgery and treatment where limitations are likely.  

    3. The exercises you are performing should not be painful - you may find you get muscular fatigue but you should not push through muscular pain as this will not help your recovery.

    4. Lymphedema risk: This increases as the number of nodes removed increases and the types of treatment increases. Exercise has been shown to help decrease this risk and movement is the key. Check out the "Abreast in a boat" study to see information on some of the work that has been done.

     For more information and advice on exercise, find a Cancer Exercise Specialist in your area. These are University qualified movement specialists (e.g. Kinesiologist, Physiotherapist, Exercise Physiologist) who have done ADDITIONAL training regarding exercising safely with cancer. These professionals will understand the procedures you have had performed, the medication and how it effects your body, the restrictions your body has due to all of this and how to best prescribe exercise to you.

     If you are in Vancouver, Canada, I can help. If you need help finding one, message me.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited January 2012
  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited March 2012

    Prior to breast cancer, I was running 20-25 miles a week, and cycling 15-20 miles a week on top of that.  The forced inactivity wrought by chemotherapy (no energy level) nearly drove me up-the-wall with boredom!  I'm two months out of chemo and two weeks out of radiation, and I've already hiked over 8 miles this week and intend to do more... the weather is just spectacular!

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