I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    According to Wikipedia: Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body.

    Pat .. it does indeed appear to be censorship.

    Bren

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited March 2012

    I think my hairs have just been split.  Is attempt to hide in a different location acceptable wording?  Wink 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2012

    And for those who might have found Doonesbury censored (not printed, blocked, suppressed) in their local newspapers, it is available in the online magazine Slate.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2012

    I don't know how many of you are familiar with "For Better or For Worse".  Lynn Johnston, a fellow Canuck, had some difficulties with some U.S. newspapers several years ago when she introduced a gay character.  Coming from a pretty tolerant and accepting society, she was nonplussed by that reaction.  But.....she went ahead and kept the character in the strip and basically said "If some papers want to censor me, too bad....for them and for their readers".

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    Haha, BinVa - you beat me to it!

    "A few newspapers have chosen not to carry the strip this week, so they are publishing an alternate story arc. That is a business decision by those newspapers who don't wish to offend any of their readers, similar to some advertisers asking that their ads not run during controversial programing."

    Sounds like a perfect example of censorship to me!  It happens a lot on one particular forum here at BCO -  when someone dares to ask questions or call out blatant misinformation,it's a classic reaction of some people to censor/delete it.  Easier to censor it than it is to have an open, civil, and inclusive discussion. BAH.

    ETA - Lindasa, I LOVE For Better or For Worse!  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    By the Wickipedia (I thought this group considers that an inferior source) definition, did the outlets choosing to run the controversial storyline censor the alternate one?  They didn't run it, is that censorship?

    Does anyone here who is complaining about the strip being moved off the comic page really believe that the current storyline is appropriate for 6 to 12 year olds, many of whom use the comic page to learn to read? 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    Pat ...  I suspect that younger children do not read Doonesbury.  A 12 year-old is old enough to start being aware of what is going on in the world.  For the most part, these days 12 year-olds are maturing at an alarming rate.  They aren't the same as we were when we were 12. 

    I picked the Wikipedia explanation of censorship as it was the first one that came up.  I'm not partial to Wikipedia, but I did like their explanation.  It mirrored the dictionary's version.

    Bren

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2012

    Well, if there is a concern that younger children would read Doonesbury, is it not incumbent on parents to oversee and monitor their children's reading habits?  If parents are aware enough to have a newspaper in the house, surely they are aware enough of the comic strip.  This is not the first time that Doonesbury has been controversial.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    As a parent of young children myself, I have to say I sure don't send my kids the comic pages to learn to read!  Surprised  Yikes.  

    In any case, I actually *talk* to my kids about  current events....yes, including the current theme of politicians getting into our "girly business!"   My young girls even know they're in charge of their own uteruses (uteri?), and anyone trying to make it their business is way out of line!   Even young children can understand the importance of open discussion without the ridiculous "silence your opponent" techniques used by some.  Ignoring or censoring something doesn't remove the issues, and sweeping things under the rug isn't my style, personally or parentally.

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited March 2012

    thenewme, I so wish we had a like button!!!!!!!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2012

    Whatever happened to "Go Dog Go" and "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish" or "Are You My Mother?" to teach children how to read?  My mother learned to read from the newspaper in the 1920s, but then again, her father was the editor.

    ETA - I guess in the current climate, "Red Fish, Blue Fish" could be construed as pretty subversive ....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Most parents can't preview everything that their children might come in contact with, so they allow the children to have relatively free access to "safe" areas, and more closely supervise those sources that are expected to be more edgy.  Spongebob Square Pants would be a pretty safe thing for kids to watch, but The Simpsons might be monitored a bit more closely.  If Spongebob were to air a controversial episode, I would hope that efforts would be made to alert adults beforehand, not just as the show is already on the air. 

    The comic page traditionally has been one of those "safe" areas, so keeping it that way is reasonable.  . 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    LOLOL, HappyLibby!  We read Go Dog Go and One Fish, Two Fish too!  LOVE them!  We draw the line at "See Spot Run," though! 

    Boy am I thankful that my kids don't have to live under some fantasy utopian rock.  They read a LOT of books about a huge variety of subjects, and yeah <gasp> even some about people who look, act, or believe differently than we do!  And guess what..... they're quite well adjusted, thankyouverymuch.

    ETA - OMG, I'd rather have my kids reading and learning about real-world current events than Sponge Bob Square Pants!   Sealed

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited March 2012

    One of the shows I have been watching lately is a British one called "Cowboy Builders" wherein being a cowboy is a Very Bad Thing. I wonder if that show is on in Texas where cowboy is a Good Thing?

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    Hmmm...on second thought, I guess maybe SpongeBob does have some merit, after all.  In one episode, SpongeBob and Patrick live together as co-parents of an adopted "baby." 

    Heck, Bert and Ernie are always holding hands!  Bambi's mother gets killed!   Wildflowers get trampled in  The Sound of Music!!  Is there NOTHING sacred?  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Some kids love Dr Suess, and some don't.  Kids who are reluctant readers often learn better when they have material that holds their interest.  Are you implying that those children don't have the right to learn how to read because you don't approve of the material that interests them?  Talk about censorship.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    I'd hope that any responsible parent would monitor what their children read.  It's called *parenting.*  It's appropriate for a PARENT.  Not appropriate for a politician or newscaster or message board participant to censor what we read.  HUGE difference.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2012

    When I was growing up, I read everything available -- Mom's magazines, the daily newspapers (yes, including the comics - remember Mary Worth?), and nothing was off-limits.  I generally took out 4 books per week from the library, and after I finished with Nancy Drew and the like, I soon graduated to adult fiction (including bodice-ripping historical romances!!).

    But things have changed considerably, and a parent would have to spend every waking at-home moment monitoring what their children are reading, watching, listening to or on--lining. Perhaps media should be treated in a similar way to diet: that is to say, let kids be exposed to a wide variety of foods (or comics, or books, or TV shows etc.) and they will settle on those things that interest them.  Sure, there's a lot of garbage out there, but guess what?  When those kids become adults, maybe early exposure to garbage will make them more discriminating as adults.

    I honestly can't imagine a 6-year-old being interested in, or understanding, Doonesbury.  It takes several years for youngsters to recognize satire.  And there are still plenty of adults who still don't recognize Stephen Colbert's satire!!!!  As for TV shows -- well, isn't there a chip for that? 

    Please note that this is just a simple personal opinion, which could be altered by others' contributions to the discussionTongue out.

     

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited March 2012

    Why are we off on a censorship tear?  I missed the memo.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    Hey Scoot .. we were talking about Doonesbury .. and things got sidelined a bit.  Interesting discussion though.

    Pat .. I agree that kids will be more interested in reading things that interest them.  My 7 year-old grandson loves dinosaurs and reads everything he can about them, including educational coloring books. There is no way he would understand a Doonesbury comic strip.  Satire is a difficult concept to grasp for young children.  I don't remember at what age they begin to understand.

    Bren

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2012

    Doonesbury, Scoot. Some think it is OK to censor it, some people don't.



    Lindasa, my mom was in the "read/watch anything you want, ask me questions if you don't understand" camp. Since she was the daughter of a newspaper editor, information flow was lifesblood to her. We always had both newspapers in town, plus Time Magazine, the Saturday Review, the Atlantic Monthly, and whatever other magazine subscriptions she could afford. We made a weekly trip to the library where I could get all the books my skinny little arms could carry. But they had to last the week. Since they seldom lasted that long, I read her books. Plus the ones on the bookshelves in our house. No censorship. Don't understand? Ask.





    L

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2012

    LOL, HappyLibby - your story reminds me of the movie Matilda! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    thenewme, HappyLibby,  = LIKE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE ;-)

    Garry Trudeau - LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, ADORE, respect, HONOR, laugh with, and just fabulous how he NAILS the stupidity every time...also the State Senator in Ohio - what a hoot.  There are now "Viagra" bills in many statehouses around the country...and it isn't even April Fool's Day yet...

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited March 2012

    I was the only 9-year-old I knew who knew who Hannah Arendt was and what "The Banality of Evil" and "Eichmann in Jerusalem" were about. I was probably one of the few babies who actually teethed on "The Complete Works of Sigmund Freud." My playpen was next to the bookshelves.



    And I still have my copies of "Go Dog Go" and "Are You My Mother?" among others ...



    More information is "more better."



    L

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited March 2012

    Another early and voracious reader. I just like information and I guess curiosity is part of my makeup. There were enough adults around who didn't mind answering questions.....I asked a lot....and i came of age when "question authority" was becoming a mantra.



    Thank heavens for the Doonesberry's, Jon Stewart's and Oliphants of the world. We so need to laugh at the stupidity level in our politicians.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    Tee, hee..thanks for mentioning the thread - HAT TIP TO CYCLE-PATH for this, in case you haven't seen it, it's a riot, really marvelous..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZK75pXLlbY

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited March 2012

    That's hilarious. Me likey.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2012

    Sunflowers ... that youtube is so funny.  It's kind of a catchy little tune. 

    Chickadee .. Welcome to this thread .. it's great to have you here.

    Hope everyone is having a great afternoon.  The weather is fabulous.

    Hugs to all,

    Bren

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited March 2012

    New theme song for uppity women everywhere! 

    I always had to have something to read too.  We had an old set of encyclopedias and if I didn't have anything else around I used to read them.   And Mom's True Story magazines when she was gone and we found them.   

    Decided to do a trial run on a piece of a retro metal canister set I'm going to paint to check out the color.  Darn can of spray paint started spraying just fine ... but would not stop.  Spray painting the grass and my hands and fingernails was not part of the plan.  This is why I don't do more crafty projects.

        

  • scuttlers
    scuttlers Member Posts: 1,658
    edited March 2012

    Love the video! (oh and want to add, I'm a scuttler)

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