anyone out there with auto-immune/chronic pain issues before dx?

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  • LouLa
    LouLa Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2011

    Hi everyone. I would just like to say that I was diagnosed with lyme disease two and a half years ago. I found the lump in my breast almost two years to the day later. I had been on heavy antibiotics for two years (including intravenous). I told my LLMD about the lumps in my breast two years ago and he always said their just cysts you need to take more iodine, so I did. it wasn't until the new lump and my moms breast cancer returning that I insisted my doc send me for an ultrasound.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    jessamine- The pain is kind of an ache in each breast.  I'm not sure if it's from the pecs being stretched.  Those of you with auto-immune now are muscles do not like being stretched in any way.  But I've found my overall fibro pain has increased, too, ever since exchange.  I had my consults with both PS's and they both discounted the implant/auto-immune theory all together saying there's no proven link.  The one PS that I really liked seems to think a lot of the issues will resolve with time and possibly some PT.  He said having 5 surgeries in 18 months has not given my body time to adequately heal, particularly if I have auto-immune going on.  He wants me to wait at least 6 months before considering any more surgery.  I'm not upset at the thought of losing the implants because I would do fat grafting in their place.  It would be nice to not have these foreign objects in my body as I do believe it can affect us, despite what they say.

    LouLa- Sorry your doctor didn't take your concerns seriously.  I wish they would believe us when we tell them we know our bodies and we know when something isn't right.  I think a lot of us with auto-immune are more in tune than the average patient.  I hope everything is going good for you.  Where are you in your treatment? 

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited November 2011

    i've had an interesting  day.. i go to the ent every month to get cultured, cause i've had too many bacterial infections.. had a picc line for almost 6 mos. last time... so, i went to dermo last wk, after mohs surgery. told them i thought it was turning... oh, no, its fine...

        dr. today says not only IS it infected, its' gone systemic. cultured me, nose, ears, throat, and leg... he'll send it out, and get at least one anti b that'll kill it. thats' why i go to him. he's the only one who listens!!! THEN, he tells me there's a test, that should've been done asap; when i went to the hypothyroid specialist.. to show if its' the auto immune disease attacking my thyroid.. if it is, it changes the entire tx!!!!  now, i paid 3.. yes 3 drs. to do a consult for me.. noone did a stupid blood test!!!(nor did they send records to him, after he recommended THEM!!!!\  i'm just so torked over the whoe thing... nothing to be done though. if isaid something to them, they do the CYOA thing... so, will just go ahead, and see what we find...

        I HATE it, as soon as you say "auto immune " their etes glaze over, and they don't hear another word.. and WE all pay for their stupidity...

       i just have to be big time grateful i have this dr. in my life!!(and all of you) to listen to my irate rantings!!!

       hope you're all feeling better, and esp hoping PT helps, Kate.....3jays

  • Patriotic
    Patriotic Member Posts: 281
    edited November 2011

    Hypothyroidism for 13 years pre-dx. Who knows if the two are related?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    3jays- I'm sorry for all the crap you have to put up with.  You're right- most of their eyes do glaze over when they hear "auto-immune".  You might as well say mental illness.  Ticks me off that there are more doctors who don't take this seriously than those that do.  Sometimes it feels like the only way to get proper care in this country is to go out and get your own medical degree and then treat yourself.  Might be cheaper anyway!  Hope they get everything straightened out for you and get some answers SOON on how best to treat.  (((hugs)))

  • Sherrie1964
    Sherrie1964 Member Posts: 72
    edited November 2011

    This is an interesting topic.  I was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune skin disease just days after finishing breast cancer treatment.  I started having the skin symptoms just after the BC diagnosis. I was on several different medications for over a year and was not able to start my Tamoxifen for 6 months after treatment ended.  Things are pretty much back to "normal" now but it was a pretty exhausting couple of years; managing all the doctor appointments and medications, not to mention just plain having to educate every doctor I came into contact with on my disease.  I still have times when I feel very isolated as a result of my diagnoses.  Interestingly though, I'm much more eager to discuss my breast cancer with others rather than my autoimmune disease. 

    Sherrie 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Sherrie- Glad you joined us.  I think it is a lot easier to talk about the BC.  People at least understand that.  So many of our auto-immune issues are "invisible" so I think people don't really get how much of our lives are affected by it.  But we understand exactly what you went through if it helps.  Glad things are back to normal for you (as much as possible anyway)!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Kate, call me stupid, but I thought the surgery in Miami was to take OUT your implant and do the fat grafting! Are you telling me you only got fat grafting OVER your implants for that much money??? Yikes!! You must be just torked, too, like 3jays!!!!!! In Canada, we spell it torqued, but that's the French in us I guess.

    FM affects my life a LOT more than my cancer does!!! I am off for another US and hopefully biopsy on my neck nodes on the 14th. They have gotten so swollen, they are visble if you just look at me. I'm all emotioned out though and don't really care. I ran out of fight lately....

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited November 2011

    Kate; im hoping this new blood test will help us figure out whats' going on.. thank goodness this dr. realizes, although i feel cancer "trumps" any of the other; the other affects everything else, including staying ned...

     i've had 3 drs/ now, even the specialsits tell me the hypo is a direct result of chemo.. but, who knows... chicken or the egg? all i know is i'd like to wring the chicken s  neck, so it'd stop laying damned egss!!!hahahah

        Barbe; im praying for you sweetie. when life kicks us in the head, esp relationally; we need to take a time out.. im doing that now... uunfortunately, this week its taken form iin brownies, from Boston Market hahaha

     I can't afford to gain, i sprouted 20 lbs with hyoo in less than a month, and i wasn't svelte, by any stretch of the imagination, before!!!!

            im an emotional eater; have known that for years, and the state of my emotions right now, is p-- poor.. so, another thing i gotta try and control a bit; or i'll be tipping the scales at 200 lbs!............3jays

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    3jays, I'm still shaking my head that NONE of the docs noticed you hadn't had a blood work-up!?!?!? It seems to me that's our first line of testing here in Canada...I used to think it was a waste of time, but now think differently.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    barbe- The surgery in Florida was going to be a 3 stage process.  Surgery #1 (which I had) he was going to swap the implants for smaller ones and then do fat grafting over the top.  Surgery #2 he was going to take the implants out all together and do another round of fat grafting and surgery #3 more fat grafting.  Since my DH's DX, though, I was going to stop at surgery #1 but then started having issues again.  I don't want to go back to PS in Florida, though, because of a LOT of different reasons so that's why I was consulting with new PS's in CA.    Even if I stop now, though, the fat grafting made a huge difference in my results so I'm happy about that.

    3jays- I find if I don't stay active I'm an emotional eater, too.  I find when I watch t.v. or movies I can zone out on the pain I'm feeling.  But t.v. and snacking seem to go hand in hand so am trying to cut back on the time in front of the "boob tube".  lol! 

  • mkkjd60
    mkkjd60 Member Posts: 583
    edited November 2011

    Yes!!! I just saw this post!  My mom is stage iv.  She had first dx 5 years before.  She also got lichen planus during the same time.  It is an autoimmune disease.  I kept saying and I keep saying that her autoimmune had something to do with this bc.

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited November 2011
    kate: i eat popcorn (unsalted ) a LOT when im being careful (as oppossed to dieting) which im not up to, now.. i bought a popcorn popper for like $20 at BBB. i love love it.. grands do, too. and no salt, like the microwave ones are full of..bad with my le.. a  lot of hand/mouth is good. .3jays
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    I have to chew gum all day long due to the meds I take drying out my mouth. I find it helps me from snacking, especially if I'm out and don't have another gum to replace the one I take out of my mouth!

    Kate, did your payment include the other 2 phases? Wouldn't he 'owe' them to you? I'm so sorry you had issues at the Miami location. 

    Welcome mkkjd60, to the forum you never wanted to be on!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    barbe- No, my payment only covered the first surgery and I wouldn't go back to that office for any more.  It's way too hard to get to Miami and, frankly, his office isn't worth it.  His office and billing staff is completely incompetent and even though he is great at what he does he also made some mistakes.  The whole thing was so much more stressful than it needed to be.  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Kate, I remember the billing bullsh!t they put you through and the total miscommunication of his office staff. I was hoping for your sake that he made up for it all! So sad, really.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2011

    Pain syndromes concern me as well. About 10 years ago, I broke my wrist in 4 places and was dx with RSD as a result of pins put through my wrist. For the first several years I had to be careful as anything would cause extreme burning, and my hand turning cold and purple. My hand is better but if I overdue it the right hand will start to burn, become feverish, and start to turn red. I've learn to deal with it so it's not much of a problem

    But with my upcoming mx and reconstruction surgery, where I will be given implants, I am very concerned about pain in the chest area. The pain specialist said I have a very sensitive nervous system making me vulnerable to chronic pain problems. So...today, I saw a different plastic surgeon who injects his patients with botox in the pec muscles. I spoke with one woman, a patient of Dr. Gabrel, who said after the first week tylenol was enough. She was driving and doing everything she usually does the second week after surgery. This is why I'm choosing him...hoping that I won't have that much pain. I wanted to do the fat grafting but no one does whole breast fat grafting from this area. If the TE's or implants don't work, or causes pain problems, I'll remove them and I guess find someone who can do fat grafting.

    My prevous pain docs said avoid surgery at all cost. Can't avoid it when you have cancer.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    eve, you don't HAVE TO have reconstruction you know!! I hope someone hasn't pushed you into it and you're not doing it for you, but for someone else...hugs to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Onecent46
    Onecent46 Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2012

    I have had body aches during and after my treatments but now that the treatments are over, I find that I have more pain in my body.  I mentioned it to my doctor who told me to take some over the counter joint pain reliever.  The pain isn't only in my joints and the pain reliever did not help.  It is hard to sleep sometimes because it hurts so bad.  I even asked my regular family dr about it and he said to take the tylenol 3 that I still had left from surgery.  It does not help much either.  I went to the health food store and the woman working in there told me that some patients get fybro after treatment but that doctors won't tell you that. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Onecent- I didn't have chemo or rads but my fibro pain has gotten worse this past year.  Just wondering if you've had recon of any kind?  My fibro pain seemed to get worse after I had my implants placed.  There doesn't seem to be a unanimous opinion on whether or not the foreign objects (implants) can trigger an auto-immune response or not.  Some docs say yes and some say no.  

  • Galsal
    Galsal Member Posts: 1,886
    edited January 2012

    this should get interesting once things get under way.  have had Arthritis since I was 22/23.  have Fibromyalgia, Hypothyroid, Rosacea.  have had Lyme Disease and Babesiosis (one of the possible co-infections).

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    This thread hasn't been active in awhile but this was recently in the news and wanted to share it.  According to two different studies low dose Naltrexone (4.5 mg/day) has been shown to significantly reduce daily pain in fibromyalgia.  I'll be curious if doctors are willing to prescribe it now "off label" to patients who request it.  According to the article it is cheap and easily tolerated.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/759253 

    http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2012

    Kate, when I looked it up in Wikipedia, it is used as a narcotic and alchol dependancy!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    I know, interesting huh?  They are also testing it for use in cancer treatment, HIV/AIDS, MS, Parkinson's and cancer.  They said it works because it blocks certain receptors in the brain.  

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited March 2012

    hi glas.. kate, thanks for the linkys..

      My ms pain spec has been looking nto it for me. i take a narcotic everyday, but can't tolerate it well, like most... we've been seeing if my ins would allow it "off label" for my ms.......3jays

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    3jays- I was just coming over here to copy the link so I could post it for you on the GSAD thread!  That's great that your ms spec is considering it.  I also saw it as a possible off label for hypothyroidism.  Sounds like it might truly be a wonder drug if it works as well as they claim.  Let me know if your insurance company goes for it.  I was considering asking my GP about it.  If my insurance company won't approve it, but my GP goes for it, I might try it anyway.  The link above had a list of pharmacies where you can buy it and one had it for $15 + shipping.

  • Galsal
    Galsal Member Posts: 1,886
    edited March 2012

    Sounds GREAT.  Interesting that Fibro is considered in the Autoimmune group when it's so controversial.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2012

    Galsal, FM isn't so controversial these days as it was 20 years ago! Docs were using it as an 'umbrella diagnosis' for anyone they couldn't define. Kind of like 'chronic fatique syndrome'. REAL FM patients know who we are. There are times when a bed sheet on my legs is too painful!!! I have a pretty advanced case and can actually feel a flare coming on a couple of days before it hits. FM is as close to MS as you can get! I'm sure they'll find a link in treatment one way.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    barbe- I think you're right about the MS/FM.  I remember one time I printed out the symptoms for both and then highlighted the ones I had.  It was amazing the overlap.  I wonder how many FM patients, if they had brain MRI's, would have plaques show up like I have?  (Yet, have never been dx with MS.  The closest I came was a nuerologist who thought maybe I had MS at one time but was now in remission.)  

    Doesn't auto-immune just basically mean it's a disease where the body turns on itself and can affect multiple areas of the body? 

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited March 2012
    I think this was already mentioned already, way back on page 1 by SoCalLisa (thanks for that great info) but it's worth reporting again. Click HERE for info on paraneoplastic cerebellar degeneration syndrome - which can be a sign of breast cancer before it's even diagnosed. Sometimes I wonder if the severe vertigo I experienced two summers in a row before I was dx'd with breast cancer was really caused by this syndrome and not Benign positional vertigo (BPPV).

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