Paps and Mammos at Walgreens!

Rabbit stated, "When you start talking about just handing somebody a package of pills it is not reasonable. Pharmacists are licensed and paid to dispense drugs prescribed by doctors ... that is their job. It is not their responsibility to approve or disapprove of those drugs."

Excellently put Rabbit.

Bren 

Hmmm .... I guess I've never really viewed my belief that every human has a right to life as a religious belief. I don't care what a person believe's about God, no human should have the right to choose to end another human's life.

And no single religious organization should be able to determine which legal medical procedures will be performed on patients.



L

Perfectly said, White Rabbit!

Well, heck then. If we truly are at the point where morals such as not killing another human doesn't belong in our laws, we are in deeper then I could have ever imagined.



I agree, religion should not determine when life starts when it comes to making laws. No one has a clear black and white proof as to when life begins, so the reality is none of us, including pro choicers are following anything other then belief/religion. The reality is if we don't know for sure then don't mess with terminating the process once it has begun, because until it can be proved otherwise, there is a chance a human life is being ended.



From the scientific perspective, I guarantee if a mass of dividing specializing growing cells such as is contained in the womb of a pregnant woman was discovered on another planet, the world would be announcing there is LIFE on another planet.

PatMom wrote:

             "I don't believe that Walgreens or CVS provides pap smears or mammograms but you can get a basic physical at some of their locations."

               I have been all over the US.  I've been in these stores in the vast majority of the states in the US.  Pharmacists are not permitted to practice medicine.  They are licensed to practice pharmacy.  

              So I'd like to know the EXACT location of any of these chains where MDs are employed and see patients and offer basic physical exams including the fundamentals of each of the body systems: neurological, cardiac, respiratory, gastrointestinal, integument, orthopedic and so forth. 

              I'm very suspicious of the assertion that one can get basic health care at a pharmacy because it is illegal in the US for MDs to have contractural relationships with pharmacies. And it is certainly illegal for a pharmacist to practice medicine or diagnose or give medical advice except as the advice pertains to the use of the pharmaceutical products dispensed upon an MD's orders.

              So exactly where are these Walgreen's and CVS stores which operate in violation of state and federal laws? 

Well duh ... that was Mary's point.

How about a Jehovah's Witness as the only doctor on duty in the ER when you need a blood transfusion.  He thinks that will damn your soul so won't do it and you die.  You good with that?  Because that is exactly the same as a situation a woman who needs an emergency abortion to save her life can end up in. 

And a pharmacist who really thinks that their limited participation in filling a prescription is a problem they can't handle emotionally probably would be better off to look for a job that does not present them with such moral dilemmas.  Just not doing part of your job is not fair to others.

I believe those walk in clinics are staffed by nurses or nurse practitioners.  They handle basic things like antibiotics for infections.  Daughter went to one on a weekend for an eye injury ... they wouldn't touch anything to do with eyes ... in fact they don't do anything major.  They refer you to an emergency room or to your doctor. 

So if the worst you have is an ear infection or the flu or need a vaccination they are fine.  But they do not provide full spectrum medical care by any means.

And the same would apply to the Jehovah Witness Doctor..........considering blood transfusions are a big part of medicine........

I don't know how many Pharmacies there are in Washington State but you can't throw a baseball without hitting one where I live and I live in a pretty small community.......if you can't get a prescription filled for some reason at one pharmacy there are plenty of other pharmacies that can and would love to have your business.......

shokk

Or if she had a moral objection to her insurance company paying for a drug whose ONLY use was SOLELY so a man can have sex. 

shokk, as previous posters have pointed out, doctors or nurses have never been legally forced to perform abortions. They have--and continue to have--legal exceptions.

The difference in these new "conscience" laws is 1) that they are largely aimed at birth control/emergency contraception and pharmacists, 2) they do not require that referrals/alternatives be made available to consumers and 3) their broadness/vagueness could lead to all sorts of "conscience" claims, based on all sorts of beliefs. 

Thumbs up!  Very funny.

Patmom says:



"A woman seeking an abortion has recently knowingly participated in activity resulting in that pregnancy that she seeks to abort. "



REALLY! So in your world rape, incest, and abusive relationships don't exist. Wow. All women who get pregnant in those situations were asking for it?



"A doctor, or a nurse, or a pharmacist made a career choice perhaps decades ago when participating in an abortion may not have even been an anticipated part of that career, and your caviler solution is that the professional should give up their career rather than be permitted to follow their conscience.".



Abortion has been legal for decades. Doubtful that most medical professionals weren't aware of it when they chose their specialities. Those who choose to offer this legal procedure in a healthy medical environment are terrorized, bombed and murdered.........because they followed their conscience? What about them. Yes let's bring back the Back alley butchers........perhaps many aren't old enough on here to know about the "good old days".



" pro-choice which implies that everyone has a choice, not just the woman who always had the choice to take different actions and prevent the pregnancy in the first place. "



Which brings us back to this punitive view that all women seeking abortions are trashy sluts who deserve.to be punished. REALLY!