Follow Up Care Questions
My path to a diagnosis was somewhat unusual. I had an excisional biopsy of a palpable, benign papilloma. For some unknown reason, my surgeon elected to excise additional tissue in an adjacent area during the same surgery. Due to an odd set of circumstances, I found out more than a month after the surgery, via a phone message from my surgeon's partner, that they found DCIS in the second excision. Basically, I had a lumpectomy without knowing I it was a lumpectomy.
While most women with a DCIS diagnosis have a bit of time to mull over treatment options, I more or less skipped the major decision. I had a lumpectomy by default. I was not offered an MRI to determine if there were other areas of concern in either breast. I was told that a mastectomy at that point was overkill and I could either have whole breast radiation and/or tamoxifen or simply choose to have no further treatment. Because my DCIS was grade 3 with smaller margins than I was comfortable with, I decided to go with radiation and tamoxifen. I finished the radiation about a month ago and have been on tamoxifen since then.
Because of the odd circumstances I mentioned, I was able to have a long conversation with the head of the imaging department at the breast care clinic. He considers it to be "smart luck" (doesn't care for the term "dumb luck") that my DCIS was found. He showed me my mammogram slides. Not only is the DCIS not visible, the papilloma is completely obscured by dense breast tissue. He and my surgeon both told me most papillomas are not palpable. I found mine because it was near the surface. Had it been deeper, I would not have felt it and would have gone on my merry way, secure in the knowledge that my annual mammogram was clear. Since I could feel it, I had an ultrasound, followed by a needle biopsy which confirmed the papilloma diagnosis. I had thought papillomas were always removed due to the possibility of having an abnormality next to it. The radiologist told me that was not always the case. He wasn't sure why my surgeon wanted to remove mine. Furthermore, he was baffled about why she did the second excision, in which the DCIS was found. There was no indication in her notes and following the surgery, she told my husband that she neither saw nor felt anything unusual and fully expected the biopsy to be negative. So, I was lucky I found the papilloma, lucky it was removed, and lucky a second excision was done. If there is a next time, I don't want to rely on such extreme luck to find it before it has advanced to a higher stage. I feel that I have to be extra vigilant, but I don't know what that means.
I'm afraid I missed a critical step in this process by not having an MRI when I was diagnosed. Also, my RO (who is doing my follow up care) doesn't believe in doing MRIs for surveillance regardless of how dense my breast tissue is and doesn't even want to do another mammogram until August. By that time, it will have been a year since my last mammogram. I've been told multiple times by various medical professionals that I would be closely monitored for at least 5 years. Yet my RO is proposing nothing more than is recommended for any woman my age (early 50's) - annual clinical exams and annual mammograms offset by 6 months.
So, at the end of a long and rambling post, I have a few questions:
1) Should I insist on an MRI now, since I've never had one?
2) Based on the fact that my breast tissue is dense enough that even a palpable papilloma was not seen on my mammogram, should I insist on annual MRIs?
3) What is the standard surveillance for someone that has had a DCIS diagnosis (are offset annual clinical exams and mammograms enough)?
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Hi RockiesGal,
We think we can help with question #3. On the main Breastcancer.org site, check out the Follow-up Care for DCIS page.
Hope this helps!
--The Mods
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Thank you for the prompt reply. That page agrees with what my RO is planning. I don't understand how this differs in any way from the recommendation for women my age that have not had a DCIS diagnosis. I guess I've been trying to take comfort from the fact that I would be closely monitored and I'm dismayed to find out that I won't be any more closely monitored than I already was.
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I will be getting a mamo on my cancer side every 6 months for 2 years, then go to every 12 months. My non-cancer side will get mamo every 12 months. I still have followups with the BS every 3 months for a physical exam, but not sure how long that lasts.
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I had a grade 3 DCIS with lots of comedonecrosis and it was multifocal and later found out multicentric as well. I elected to have a UMX since I had a rather large area of microcalcs and the high grade worred me. Plus, I was not crazy about having rads on my left side.
My aftercare is tamoxifen for 5 yrs and visits with onc every 6 mos. with mammo on remaining breast and MRI alternating every 6 mos. We are in the process of trying to get an MRI approved for my one year diagnosis anniversary because I have very dense breast tissue AND the mammograms missed another area of DCIS and an area of ADH at the time of my diagnosis. I did not have a MRI at diagnosis since I had decided to have a mastectomy. There was no real reason to do one other than to check on the remaining breast. My docs did not feel that was warranted. I am very anxious to get one done so I know there is nothing there that I need to worry about in my remaining breast.
You must have had some angels watching over you that day. So glad they found your DCIS and got rid of it before it could do any more harm.
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Rockiesgal, as to insisting on an MRI - first find out if your insurance will pay for it. Just last week I graduated to 2 MRIs a year and no more mammos for me. I don't know if there is really a 'standard'. My surgeon is very proactive.
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I certainly don't think it could hurt asking for an MRI. My surgeon ordered one due to my age and the fact that I had very dense breast, he wanted a complete picture of what was going on in my breast. He had no trouble getting it approved.
When I had my excisional biopsy, I only thought I was going in for one area. They decided to do two areas and it freaked me out. The one area, that turned out to be DCIS was BIRAD 4 and the other area was just suspicious. I asked why the need to biopsy it then and she stated that if both areas turned out to be cancer, they would more then likely recommend a MX, if it was just one area then I would have more options lumpectomy or MX.
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Thank you all for the replies. I'm becoming more and more convinced that I should at least have one MRI. Based on comments from the radiologist, I'm fairly confident that I can get insurance approval.
I have my first follow up appointment with my RO next week. I'm going to bring up MRIs again. She is mostly concerned with the anxiety caused by false positives that she believes are common with MRIs. The radiologist told me they have only had one negative biopsy resulting from an MRI finding and he had not recommended that biopsy; it was performed at the patient's request. Frankly, I'm far more worried by the possibility of false negatives that I already know can happen in my mammograms. I am also familiar with how well I handle waiting for results, since it was more than 4 months from the time I found my papilloma until I had the final diagnosis. I simply was not bothered by anxiety during that time. I would rather spend a short time with the uncertainties associated with finding something on an MRI than a lifetime of uncertainty associated with never knowing if my last mammogram missed something.
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Just to keep you updated - I contacted the head of imaging again to ask for a formal opinion on whether or not I should have MRIs. He won't be in the office until next week, but promised me he would take another look at my file. I saw my RO yesterday. She agreed to follow his advice even if she didn't agree. She also asked that I would accept his advice is he says no MRI. So, we are leaving it up to him. My RO also told me that it would not be appropriate to have an MRI right now on the breast where the DCIS was found. That is because I just recently finished radiation treatments and you can't get a good MRI on a recently radiated breast (which I didn't know). I could have one on the other breast now, but I think I'd rather wait until I can do both at the same time. Assuming the radiologist recommends MRIs, I'll have my first in July. So, my RO's answers to my questions are:
1) I need to wait at least 6 months after my last radiation treatment to have an MRI of the "effected breast".
2) The radiologist will make the determination on whether or not MRIs are appropriate for me.
3) Standard for me means: I'll have clinical exams every 6 months, annual mammograms and may or may not (depending on the advice of the radiologist) have annual MRIs coinciding with my mammograms.
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Thanks for the update, RockiesGal. Will be interested to hear what the radiologist has to say next week.
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I will also be interested since I'm 6 months past my lumpectomy and radiation. I did have my first post-op mammogram last week and everything was fine. The radiologist just noted post surgical changes. I'm going to my BS later this month and plan to ask her again about an MRI.
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I found out on Friday that my insurance company approved the MRI that my onc. ordered for April. That will be one year post diagnosis. I am relieved that I don't have to fight that battle. I'm a little nervous about the whole thing..... lying still on my stomach for that long, claustrophobic tendencies, and of course, what it may find. The mammo missed some ADH and other areas of DCIS in affected breast last year. So I am nervous about the "good girl" being clear.
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I heard back from the radiologist today. He is recommending MRIs. I'm still not exactly sure when I'll have my first, but I think it will be around the end of July when I have my first mammogram.
sunny1157: I'm glad your MRI looked ok and I hope your discussion with your BS goes well.
1openheart: Good news on the insurance approval. I hope that I won't have a battle. My insurance has never denied any tests, but there's always a first time. I'm not to worried about the MRI itself. I've had several in the past for other issues and haven't had any trouble with them. Hopefully, they'll have some way to help you get through. I hope the good girl stays good. Let us know how it goes.
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I a, glad you are going to get the MRI. Mammograms missed my cancer for several years, in fact, I sought out a doctor because I had a slight clear discharge from the nipple...and the mammogram came back perfect. It was my insistence to get a MRI that led to the discovery of multifocal DCIS and I had a mastectomy.
My second breast went the opposite way, the MRI showed 3 places that needed to be biopsied, so I had a MRI guided biopsy, which was a horror for me. AND the results came back inconclusive! I decided I did not like having only the one breast anyway, I could not stand the crashing worry, so I opted for another mastectomy...and....no cancer!! but I don't regret this because my second mastectomy removed no lymph nodes, and I healed well.
But now havging no breasts, I wonder what is my follow up care?
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I'm glad you'll get the MRI. My BS ordered one after the attempt to get better margins found a whole new tumor that was NOT on the mammo.
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