Any February 2012 radiation gals out there?
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(That poster is from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, 1947. So very true!
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My treatments yesterday and today were really awful emotionally and physically. I'm doing that breath hold technique (the respiratory gated thing). Well yesterday I had significant trouble keeping the level of air up high enough for them to radiate me. I can breathe in deep, but once I hold my breath, the bar on the screen drops down and the machine shuts off automatically. For some reason when I held my breath yesterday and today my stomach pulled in, and this meant the box they watch with a camera dropped down, automatically shutting off the machine. (When you breathe in, the box raises up b/c your diaphragm expands, and the box is sitting on it's markers on your stomach.) I wasn't blowing out any air or anything, yet my stomach would pull in.
So this led to the tech's coming in (kinda frustrated with an attitude), telling me I'm not doing it right, yet not able to coach me how to improve my technique. It was so unbelievably frustrating. Then the tech decides she's gonna move the box up higher towards my lower ribs...NOT on the markers. This completely freaked me out - I mean, the markers are there for a reason, aren't they? That's where the box is supposed to sit! So I questioned her on this, and instead of giving me an explanation, she held her fingers up and said "I'm only moving it 4 mm. It's fine. I'm not going to hurt you." So I'm flipping out and told her I wasn't comfortable with that. So she moved the box back to it's marked spot, and somehow I suffered with breathing in, then "deeper" ..."deeper"..."deeper"!!!! Have you ever tried to breathe in on top of an already fully expanded chest without letting any air out? It was unbelievably difficult and exhausting. So I left and was in tears for a full 15 minutes in the car in the parking lot. I couldn't even drive, b/c I felt I was too upset to do so safely. So all night last night I'm freaked about it, contemplating quitting, you name it. Had to take a sleeping pill to sleep (which I rarely do).
Today I walk in - same exact girls are there as the techs. doc isn't in. So, in a panic, I ask to see the nurse before treatment. I explain to the nurse and another rads tech (one that they brought in to help - I love him), and he was able to explain to me WHY they can move the box a little bit, etc. etc. All the technical details. I told him that was all I needed. I just need someone to explain the why behind why they are doing something like move off of a marker that I'm told not to lose or misplace! I told him that every single day it takes so much mental effort to drag myself in there and that all I need is someone to explain things...and I'll be fine...and then of course I lost it and started crying! Oh, that is so not me. I usually can keep it together but boy this just put me over the edge. He and the nurse were sooooooooo nice.
So, I still had to have the same rad techs do my treatment, and I still had the same issue, but they did not move the box. I just suffered through repeatedly breathing deep, deeper, deeper - I don't know how many times until the full tx was able to go through. Afterwards I was breathing really hard, was dizzy, and shakey. That has never happened to me after a treatment before. I'm pretty sure I hyperventilated myself. Good grief.
Next time I get a good tech who I can talk to I am going to have them coach me better. The tech today told me perhaps I should practice at home. Uh, I'd practice if I had someone to give me the proper biofeedback about what I'm doing in the first place...ugggh! I also don't know why I'm having so much trouble now, when I had been doing ok with it (occasional trouble, but nothing like this). I'm so frustrated and disgusted. However, I am glad for the other tech being so incredibly nice and understanding, so that makes it all better. He told me I can call up there any time I have questions or find him if he's not in the treatment room, that I shouldn't be at home worrying and wondering. He is great.
Ok, I've babbled and you all probably think I am a nut bag by now. I'm not, but I do feel like I'm at the end of my rope lately. It's like I have no reserve or strength to handle things emotionally like I used to. <sigh> Thanks for letting me vent.
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Geegster - I am feeling so much better about the rads this week. I think it is because I can see the end! My RO was so encouraging on Monday too. She told me that the aches and pains, the bloating and all the weird feelings would start to go away the further away from chemo I get. To me that means that one day I will feel "normal" again. She also told me that the pain from inflammation was normal and that it would go away too.
I wish they could bottle what ever it is in the chemo that made my skin look so good! I am going to see a dermatologist/cosmetic surgeon the week after my rads end to find out what it will cost to get the rad tats removed. Going to see if he can help me get some nicer complexion back!
The only thing missing is my hair! I really do miss it and it is very slow in coming back. And I hate my wig! One day I will have hair again.....
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Dancetrancer, there is absolutely nothing wrong with looking out for yourself. I'd be freaked if they moved it too. After a few more weeks, you'll never see these people again. Good for you for speaking up! And I think a few meltdowns are inevitable, no matter how well-adjusted we are under normal circumstances. Go girl!
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Oh Dancetrancer - what a nightmare! So glad you can come here and vent away! Wish I was able to help you out somehow. Hopefully you can find a tech who can coach you and not just tell you what to do! Such a big difference.
I hope you can get someone to spoil you rotten tonight! You deserve it!
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Also, Dancetrancer, for what it's worth -- in my "breast cancer yoga" class last week, we worked on deep breathing, not for the gated thing, just for relaxation. She had me put my hands on my lower belly first, and breathe deeply enough to expand it. After some of that, she had me put my hands on my outer ribs, and do a two-step breath, first into the abdomen and then expanding the ribs. Then the third step was to breathe into the abdomen, then the rib cage, and then imaging I was filling up the top of my lungs. That last step--into the upper lobes--was a new one for me, but it did seem like there was room up there that I didn't expect!
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Thanks all for the empathy! It really helps! Thanks Chicago for the breathing exercise! I think I will have to get my yoga tapes out. Lord knows I could use the breath work AND the relaxation. I know intellectually how to do diaphragmatic breathing (I'm a physical therapist, for pete's sake...and I've actually taught my own patients this. Can I say how sorely disappointed I am in myself right now?). However actually DOING it when under stress, with my arms above my head, OBVIOUSLY is not my forte! OK you guys, I actually just spent 10 minutes laying on the floor with a roll of toilet paper on my belly (simulating the radiation "box"), practicing this. Good grief. If those tech's only knew how hard I try. Well at least it did make me laugh. Maybe it'll give me good memories of the deep breathing that I can transfer over to my next session.
BTW, the nice tech tried to get one of the insensitive tech's to go to lunch early (he tried relieving her so he could do my treatment), but they weren't hungry yet. Thank goodness for the nice tech and nurse, and the doc that I love. Amazing how awful an insensitive staff person can make your experience. To them, I am just another patient to squeeze through so they can get done faster. Not enough time for them to explain, have empathy, or be patient with training an anxious patient. Since I work in healthcare, I think I have even less tolerance for this type of behavior. It's unacceptable.
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Dancetrancer - I can identify with everything you say. Some of the techs are more caring and seem to be more fastidious about my positioning. The other day I felt as though they bumped the table and it moved after they had lined me up, but I didn't say anything. How are you going with the breathing now? I am interested in the gated breathing which I have read about. After reading about it I tried to hold my breath when the radiation buzz came on. I mentioned it to one of the techs who said it wouldn't make any difference.
Hope you are going better with it now.
Today is my 10th rx. I have a fungal like rash under my treated breast. Am using an anitfungal cream but it doesn't seem to be getting better or worse.
Gerri
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Gerri - I know! One day I said to them that my arm felt funny (like it wasn't in right). They said, "That's b/c it's not in the mold right!" They fixed it, and then that actually made them see that all of the red laser tags weren't lined up right...and they had to do the whole repositioning thing again. I now MAKE SURE they check my arm position each time. Most of them are excellent, but I really keep my eye on the ones who don't seem to be so. So speak up if you feel something is not lined up right. It is your body and your right to assure things are being done properly.
I think I do better with the breathing practice at home but apparently once under stress my technique goes out the window! LOL I don't know if the breath hold works for those who aren't simulated that way or not...ask your RO. I think even those who don't have the resp-gated equipment could do a big breath and hold it, IF, ONLY IF, the RO has simulated you that way. I wouldn't do it unless your RO says to - could throw everything off. Supposedly what happens with a big breath hold is the heart drops down into the chest (towards the table) and thus there is more space between the rads beams and the heart, so less of the heart is radiated.
Hope your rash gets better! I don't have any skin touching there b/c I am only about an A reconstructed cup (post-mastectomy). So nothing hangs enough to touch.
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Hi Ladies,
I have 4 more boosts then I am done. I just changed my dressing and cried through the whole thing. It hurts so much, all i can think of is how do burn patients do it! My underarm hurts so much, under my breast is so raw and awful. I can't remember how long it took to heal.
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Hi girls ...
Dancetrancer, the gated breathing thing sounds difficult and confusing. And the tech being too bitchy to patiently explain & respond to your questions ... that is just crap. I hope you told your RO about the insensitivity. I am glad there is someone there you feel comfortable with. Hang in there!
Tomorrow I have my last "all over" treatment. Yesterday they did the setup for the boosts. I have 5 boosts ... Thurs, 2 on Friday, Monday, Tuesday - and them I am done! Wednesday I leave for my company trip to the Dominican Republic. I knew the trip dates before I had my surgery in July, and it has been hanging out there like a reward for getting thru surgery, chemo and rads. My RO was such a sweetie about getting me DONE before I leave (hence the double up on Friday).
My skin is still in good shape but I did get a bit of a rash on my upper chest. A little cortisone cream helped. My upper arm muscle extending into my boob is sore, too. But not too bad. I feel pretty lucky how I came thru it. I am very sorry some of you are having such problems with your skin (and that breathing thing, ugh!)
Take care ... Debbie
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Oh bojo, I am sooooooo sorry!!!!! Hugs!!!!! (gentle) I can't believe they keep radiating on top of such a terrible burn.
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dancetrancer,
The boost doesn't even go near the under arm of the bottom of my breast! It's actually at 12 o'clock. It's just that i have such big breast. that the fold is god awful. I dont' know how i forgot all this pain, maybe that explain why i kept these things, i second guess my self every minute of everyday for the last week! Why didn't i just have a MX!
I got a prescription today for vicodain (sp?) I hope that kicks in soon and i can sleep through the night.
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Yay for Vicodan...lights out and a good night's rest soon for you bojo! (Glad to hear they aren't radiating the bad burn areas!)
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Hey Spinner ... my niece had reconstruction on both breasts after radiation ... it is not impossible. It did limit the size of implant she could get, because the radiation kind of trashes the elasticity of your skin ... but it is possible. Just thought I would throw that out there.
Also, my sister is a 32 year survivor. Back then they did not do reconstruction on the "good" boob. She never had it done, she is 67 now. The reconstructed boob is still at attention! The "good" boob is about down to her waist now (not really, but it is definitely "at ease" when she takes her bra off.) We laugh about it. Really, we do. Because you know what? She's still here. She is my hero.
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GirlPowerDebbie, I forgot about your trip coming up. Man, I could not do that at this point! I'd be yawning the entire time. Good for you. And that's a good perspective about your sister.
But I feel so sorry for you, Bojo. They say that burn patients have the most extreme pain. I'm glad you're almost done.
RO gave me a prescription for Biafine today, along with a sample, because of redness and it felt really good when I put it on. I think someone mentioned it previously -- is anyone else using it? Would it have helped Bojo, I wonder?
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That gated breathing process does sound confusing. My techs are always telling me to relax and breathe normally. I told them today I don't remember how! I'm still coughing and trying not to on the table and trying to keep my chin up and my arm back. All the while thinking about my shoulder not popping out of place. Yeah I'm all about relaxing and looking at those cheesy videos they play to keep us entertained. Other than that just getting kinda itchy and tired of riding the boat every day. But meeting lots of new people!
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Hi all,
I had #9 of 33 today. So far my skin is fine. I am using Emu Oil twice a day. Anyone else using this? I am starting a new job on Monday and am nervous about fatigue. Hopefully it will be okay.
I get the thing about the techs. I have one guy and girl that are so great and I have at least one of them most of the time. But there is one guy who I have sometimes that is so unfriendly and he acts like it's a pain to even be there. It's so frustrating! -
Chicago - no, have not had Biafine prescribed, but it sounds very soothing. Out of curiousity I looked up the ingredients. In case you are interested:
BIAFINE® Topical Emulsion contains purified water, liquid paraffin, ethylene glycol monostearate,
stearic acid, propylene glycol, paraffin wax, squalane, avocado oil, trolamine/sodium alginate,
triethanolamine, cetyl palmitate, methylparaben (sodium salt), sorbic acid (potassium salt),
propylparaben (sodium salt), and fragrance.Right now I'm still using Udderly Smooth and calendula cream (I alternate). Sunburn is starting to progress from pink to slightly red. I finished tx 16 of 28 yesterday.
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I looked at those ingredients too, and it made me wonder why it's prescription-only. Do you see anything in that list that would be restricted, Dancetrancer?
I like to avoid medication in general, but I love the Biafine so far and will be happy to use it for a few weeks if it "minimizes skin breakdown" as promised... It took my skin from red, sore, and itchy to normal with one application...
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Also, I had my second lesson with the breast cancer yoga specialist today. More useful than I'd even hoped! She went over stretches and breathing to do before and after the treatments, including ways to help with the "clasp your hands over your head and turn your head all the way to the left and DON'T MOVE!" aches. I can't afford to keep on with private lessons, but on her recommendation will do a "Yoga for Relaxation" group class from this point on (rather than one of the more challenging classes). If anyone has a chance to try some yoga, let me know what you think.
(Mac would not have time for yoga with her four-hour boat rides!)
(And Beebop, good luck with the new job. Some people don't have issues with fatigue; maybe you'll be lucky!)
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Chicago, I'm not sure why it is prescription - but some of those terms I am not familiar with, so they could easily be a prescription level type of drug. I'd use it if it were me - those are some amazing results you had with just one application!
I'm putting "yoga tape" from the library on my to do list for sure. After practicing my breathing last night and this morning (with my WONDERFUL DH who watched my tummy and coached me), I came through today's treatment without a hitch!!! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, the tech that "poo-poo'd" my concerns and made this whole issue worse than it had to be on Monday spent lots of time answering my questions today. She was very patient. She mentioned something about knowing I was in healthcare. I never told her that, so I KNOW somebody told her I had a meltdown in the office yesterday. I don't care. She sure did have an attitude change today, so I hope she learned something. Don't poo-poo your patient's concerns. Some of us want and NEED to know the technical details, and if you dismiss us, you will only make the situation worse.
So, I found out starting today I will have a bolus every other day for the next 2 weeks. They are doing the bolus to the entire skin of my breast...uggghh...bring on the burns.
Gonna keep up with my creams and hope for the best. Today was treatment #17 of 28.
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My gripe of the day -- machine was not working right, so I dozed in the waiting room for a half hour while they rebooted, etc., but then they sent me home. Stuff happens, not the techs' fault, but hate stretching it out any longer than necessary.
Generic form of Biafine was $42, not covered by insurance, so I'm glad it works well!
Also happy that the treatment went better today, Dancetrancer, and that you "backed them off the plate," as my husband would say. I'll hope for the best with the bolus.
And my put-it-into-perspective moment of the day -- my son just told me about his friend's mom, who has two small brain tumors that are benign but next to her optic nerve and threatening her vision, so she's getting her HEAD radiated...
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Today was #17 of 30. Dancertrancer - so glad you were able to have your treatment with no issues. And good for the person who spoke to the tech!!!
I have a bolus everyday to the area where my incision is. So far I have had no burns! However today I have developed a slight rash just above where the bolus sits. So tonight I will use the steroid cream if the itching starts to bother me. This afternoon I am using aloe gel.
The technicians at my Cancer Centre are the most patient and caring group of people! Yesterday they noticed that I had to hold my arm up on one side, so this morning they had someone come in and fix my mold so I would be more comfortable. They all take the time to ask how I am , how work is going. Every morning one of the ladies checks my skin for burns and other problems. I feel fortunate to have such a wonderful team treating me.
The fatigue is hitting me - I find that by mid afternoon I can hardly keep going here at work. Good thing my company is so accomodating. My boss made me a cup of coffee this afternoon and brought it to me with a cookie. She thanked me for my dedication to my job! I thanked her for modifiying my job so I can still work and have an income!! I am sure they will all be happy when I am back to "normal"!
Take care of yourselves, get someone to spoil you today, we all deserve it!
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Hi Everyone, I just finished #6 of 16 treatments and am having some uncomfortable nipple irritation and the beginning of some cracking. I am scared because I'm not even halfway done so things are going to get much worse I expect. Anyone else experience nipple irritation and have any good tips for alleviating this? I have been using 100% aloe vera gel (Fruit of the Earth) on my entire breast. I am thinking of using Lansinoh, which I used for cracked nipples while I was nursing.
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Hi Anne - sorry to hear you are having problems. I have been using Eucerin Original Lotion as well as pure aloe gel and so far no issues. Today was 17 of 30. Maybe ask your technicians or nurse if you should add another lotion. I was told by my RO that some sensitivity in the nipple is not uncommon as there are so many nerves in that area. She did not say anything about cracking however.
I hope you can find some relief soon!
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Anne, so sorry to hear about the nipple issue. That hasn't happened to me b/c I don't have a nipple (post MX), but that calendula cream I believe has really made a difference for me in the amount of burning I'm getting...at least so far! (17 tx so far)
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Today was Day 16 of 30 of RX. Honestly, so far, radiation is one of the best parts of my day. I was lucky enough to get the 8am first appt. I dont have to fight for parking, I dont have a wait, the techs are absolutely amazing... they watch me to see how I am day to day. I go in, lie down, hold on to a pole above my head and close my eyes. They ask nothing of me. I stay calm and use this time to relax.
I have struggled with Tamo SE's and now an allergic reaction to Tamo but the radiation has not caused me to much distress. The only issue is the fatigue which started last week. I now prioritize how I will spend my day. Mon & Tue I was dealing with the allergy to the Tamo and so had additional doctors appts. So I never made it into the office and worked from home half day.. with a nap in between. My company is also very accommodating and supportive... even they say my health comes first.
I saw my rad onc today who told to expect the redness to come in the next few weeks.. but I am diligent in using the Prutec cream prescription.. I apply liberally after radiation and once or twice more each day. I'm being proactive hoping to prevent things from getting bad.
I have a calendar at work that counts down my radiation. March 22 should be my last one!
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I need to whine for a bit. I see the RO on Tuesdays and he took one look at me and told me that I might have to take a break from treatment. I am really hoping that we don't have to do that. They have been using a bolus on me every day from the beginning so they are going to back it up to using it every other day and he has given me a new cream. I do not want this to get backed up by a week or two. I have been on the verge of tears and/or really crabby since he talked to me. I did finally tell my boss that I needed to work from home until my tx was over. I cannot even wear a camisole at this point and am tired of trying to hide the fact that I have nothing on under my shirts. And now with the new cream I have to take a shower to get it off because I cannot have it on me during tx. I know this is wrong but if one more person comments on how strong I am or how I have such a good attitude about everything I am going to scream.
Okay, one long, run on paragraph of whining. Thanks ladies for letting me get it out
Sherry
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To Sherrybaby... You go ahead and lose it... flip out... I know I would. It takes emotional energy to deal with cancer and for me.. I can deal with what I know and a defined course of action. I psyche myself into that. When I get a curve ball, its hard and I allow myself to first fall apart if I feel the need, then pick myself back up and regroup.. adjust my plan. It sucks.. Cancer sucks... but we will get through it. This site helps. Cry if you want to!
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