It's a toxic world-let's educate each other

Marianna - true! In other countries the list is shorter. But is it because they do not have the requirement to list everything on their bottles OR that those products truly contain less things? We don't know. However, here is something I was thinking about. I love Weleda products and in Germany- my friends tell me---those products are considered very healthy to use whereas in the US, according to ewg.org, they are not. Yet! the same organization tells us that it is OK to use petroleum jelly base products. And it gives those products very low numbers. Why? It does not make sense. Here is an article form Livestrong:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/226763-side-effects-of-petrolatum/

Mariana thanks for the link. I went to a dermotologist many years ago for acne and he told me to only use moisterizer without mineral in the ingredients which i have always tried to do , but so many do have it in there. He descirbed it as the oil used to lubricate machines and that it does not add moisture to the skin ebcause it blocks the good stuff in the lotion from being absorbed. I used to use a lotion called Siemens which the pharamcist kept behind the counter not sure if it's still out thhere.

so what do you all use on your lips that does not have petrolatum?

Or Dr. Bronner's Magic organic lipbalm also made with beeswax. There are so many. You can just google them.

Maybe I will look into Mary Kay.  The ones with beeswax seem to cause my lips to swell.  I asked my allergist and she says since I'm highly allergic to pollen could be I'm sensitive to the beeswax. 

Wasn't there something about USP Petrolatum not being bad?  Maybe that's what EWG was rating?

Just wondering as this is all new to me so baby steps to a healthier lifestyle.

I know of 2 ladies who had cancer on the face.both lived in different states and did not know each other....they both used big drs.and both drs.told them to use only Vaseline.AND neither one of them had any problems from the rads.Their skin looks lovely.

Every damn day the picture changes.....im getting sick and tired of changing products that are really expensive only to find out they are crap.

this bc sure does suk

I noticed that some of you are going to EWG for information. I use to trust them too, but I  did some research and I cannot find out where they are getting their information. I looked into their background and like many other websites that professs to be about helping others, they are connected to the TIDES foundation. That is why I no longer trust them. TIDES is a political org started by hedgefund billionaire and former Nazi youth member Georg Soros who is a wanted man in many countries for manipulating economies.

That said, we do need to be very aware of using toxic products. I try to keep it simple. Go back to what grandma used. Coconut oil is still my choice for great skin, though I love some of Usana's products. In fact, the night renewal creme has shown to have great results for radiation.Usana has a patent on the preservation system that eliminates the need for parabens or formaldehydes. Parabens are endocrine disruptors, but formaldehydes are actually carcingenic.

I agree we need to avoid petroleum products. I use to slather it on my lips. No more! Even some supplements are bound with petroleum. You can tell because they will actually cause fruit to turn black.

It is so hard not to be afraid of everything. I think too many websites like EWG can put us into a panic. We cannot avoid all the toxins, but we can minimize them as much as possible by just keeping it simple. We do not need all these products. Lemon juice and baking soda still clean the sink as well as anything.

KISS-Keep It Super Simple

Patoo, Vivre: check out Cinco Vidas. The lady behind is a cancer survivor and has regular lectures at Gilda's club NYC.

http://cincovidas.com/toxic-truth/

In an earlier post I also was questioning the trustworthiness of ewg.org. It gave 1 to Vaseline but gave 4 to Weleda's baby wash/shampoo. So we were talking about petrolatum getting a very low number, though, it is clearly not good for us.

Hi all, just wanted to say I appreciate you all for the information you share here.  I agree we are always going to get conflicting information and do have to just KISS.  Thanks.

I agree that it's very difficult to figure out who speaks the truth these days.  All the conflicting information really makes for muddy water.  Many non-profit groups are at odds with each.  One example is the Center for Consumer Freedom.  Their 'about us' page says:  "Founded in 1996, the Center for Consumer Freedom is a nonprofit organization devoted to promoting personal responsibility and protecting consumer choices. We believe that the consumer is King. And Queen.

A growing cabal of activists has meddled in Americans’ lives in recent years. They include self-anointed "food police," health campaigners, trial lawyers, personal-finance do-gooders, animal-rights misanthropes, and meddling bureaucrats.

Their common denominator? They all claim to know "what’s best for you." In reality, they’re eroding our basic freedoms—the freedom to buy what we want, eat what we want, drink what we want, and raise our children as we see fit. When they push ordinary Americans around, we’re here to push back."

Meanwhile, a group like CSPI, Center for Science in the Public Interest, will file lawsuits after literally decades of inaction by the FDA to perform its duties in actually providing consumer protection.  CSPI filed a lawsuit against Denny's for excessive sodium throughout its menu.  A healthy young person's daily dose should be 2500 mg, for many others -- only 1500 mg/day.  Denny's LOW end of the scale clocks in with meals at 2500 mg/sodium, several in the 3000-5000 range, and one that topped 6000 mg.  The lawsuit was defeated and 'freedom' group gloated over the failure of this 'frivolous' lawsuit.   Meanwhile, death by heart attack, fueled by sky high intake of sodium, is a leading cause of death.  

The first place to look, of course, is the money trail.  Many non-profits are mouthpieces for larger organizations like food groups and trade associations.  Look to see who the major donors are.  People may not like the idea of 'food police', but why is the freedom to create a heart attack so sacrosanct?  Clearly the 'freedom' group is failing to convince people to embrace personal responsibility.  The overall health of our population speaks to that in spades.  And it's truly a shame that a group like the CSPI has to resort to lawsuits to try and provide some consumer protection that is in the FDA's court to begin with.   

This just in....nipples healing nicely and tattooing is scheduled in April. Have a good evening...

Interesting thread!  I'm adding it to my favs!

tucker

I completely agree about voting with our wallets. That always gets the attention! As for who to trust....well I don't trust anyone when it comes down to it. Not when it comes to making money off of bc. As for what we eat, the less processed, organic and pure food is what I'm after. I grow my own veggies from organic seed. I buy local organic fruit. I can't do anything about the pollutants in the air but I figure if I eat right and take detox supplements that will help keep the toxins flushed out.

It's good to see more awareness about Big Pharma and the FDA. There is so much dirty business going on between these two, not to mention their ties with politicians.  Can I post a link here? It's written by an MD, Marcia Angell. http://www.wanttoknow.info/truthaboutdrugcompanies  who was editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, a very prestigious journal for the medical world.

ciao,

tucker

althea,

That is really frightening, isn't it? I still believe there are cures for many disease, including cancer, but the research is squashed because illness, including cancer, are huge money makers for pharma. It's the same thing with cars that use alternative fuels - they go out of business or whatever, but the research is not allowed to come forward because of big oil interests who prefer we use fossil fuels. Sure there are electric cars out there, but they are not realistic for long road trips and they are pricey. We've all seen the evidence that cars can run on cooking oils but that will never happen.

As long as big pharma is controlling everything, including politicians who receive huges grants from pharmas, we won't see any cures. I plan to rely on my naturopath who follows Hippocrates better than any MD when he said  'Let your food be your medicine'.

Here is a good website from an MD who is supportive of integrative oncology and is a chemo oncologist for over 30 years, Keith Block, MD  http://www.lifeovercancer.com/ for those of you who have questions about alternatives...

 And so it goes.

tucker