Starting Chemo April 2009
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Betsy - hoping for good news for you.
Judy - Jamaica in 13 days!
Geri
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So ..I probably missed something..but I didn't have the genetic test..the only person in my family to have BC was my paternal grandmother...do you think I should have it done?
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Geri..today was Bob Marley's birthday..are you gonna smoke some Ganga???? HA HA
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Titan, you should probably ask a genetic counsellor. Usually it's more likely if at least 2 members of the family have had either breast or ovarian cancer. In my situation my mother had it as well as several of her first cousins - everyone coming from the same grandparent.
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Titan, I had the testing because my sister was diagnosed with BC and then we discovered that several women on my father's side of the family had died of BC. My father has also had pancreatic cancer which I believe is the same gene. I agree with Helen, it is probably best to consult with a genetic counsellor. Let us know what you decide to do.
Geri - 13 days! How exciting! Today is grey and dull here, just the thought of Jamaica warms me through
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I am starting my job search today - a bit scary actually! I haven't worked since we got back but the time has come...
I am a little nervous about it. I always loved to work full time before we left for the US, but now I am worried about how I will juggle everything; job, kids, house etc. I am sure once I get started, I will work it out. Today, I am meeting with a colleague that I worked with many years ago just to make a start. I am hoping he will be able to give me some ideas and maybe contacts so that I can get the ball rolling. I don't have a specific profession; I have always worked in different administrative positions. I will let you know how it goes.
Ok, must go and get ready now, sending you all hugs, have a good day, Judy x
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Judy, good luck with the job search.
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Thanks Helen! The meeting went well yesterday, it was good to get dressed up a bit and go out and do something different. I am feeling a little more positive now
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Isn't it amazing how the most simple thing, like meeting someone for a chat about a job, can seem like such a challenge!
Hugs to you all, Judy x
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Oh ladies, what a sad day I have had. The sister in law of a very close friend, passed away last night from BC. She had survived it several years ago and then it came back. She has left behind a young husband and two small daughters. We just came back from the funeral and there are just no words.
I watched him standing there speaking about her and could hardly believe that someone so young has had his life turned upside down like this. He has so many challenges ahead of him now I cannot imagine how he will cope with this enormous loss. I am also so angry that this disease has claimed such a young life.
People asked me afterwards how I felt standing there; I replied that I honestly didn't know how I felt. Did I think "that could have been me?", I didn't really think that at all. I was just thinking that this is the most horrible disease and someone, somewhere has to find a cure for it.
On the way back in the car, my husband wanted to know how I was feeling, but I just couldn't put it into words. I knew that I would be able to come here and when I started writing, my thoughts would begin to flow.
Thank you all for listening as always, sending everyone extra big hugs today,
Judy xxx
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(((Judy))) ... so sorry for the loss ... for the young family that will grow up without their mother....and for her family and friends who will miss her. And for this woman who will miss seeing her children grow and thrive. And then it brings it all back home and reminds us of our own struggles.
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Thank you for your support Helen. You put it so beautifully and it is so very sad.
Hope everyone has a good weekend, hugs, Judy x
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Oh how sad I felt reading your post, Judy, but so glad you had us to share it with. Yes, we do understand, and I don't know how i would have felt either. I had lunch with a woman I will be doing some business with - she lost her 19 year old daughter to leukemia a few years ago and started a camp for children with cancer at her daughter's request. Over the lunch, she talked at great length and in great detail about her daughter's sickness and death. I didn't feel an identification with the daughter (as a fellow cancer patient, i.e. "It could have been me") but identified more with the mother about how awful it would be to lose a child. It affected me the rest of the week. it is amazing to see the work this woman is doing, though, and the happiness she has brought to these children and their families. It is very inspiring. But it definitely took me a few days to get past.
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Judy, we all feel the pain when a life is lost to this disease, young or old, but especially the young who have so many years of life cut short. I heard of two deaths from BC this week from a business associate who is aware of my history and she was telling me why she was training for the Avon walk - because two friends of hers had very recently died from BC. I could tell she felt uncomfortable saying this to me, as though her speaking about death from BC might push me over the edge, but I honestly didn't identify. I am an individual with BC, and my experience with it, then, now and in the future, will be my path alone, not necessarily the fate that anyone else experiences...good or bad. I just felt the sorrow that anyone feels when hearing of a loss.
Your job search sounds like you are excited, yet a bit concerned of meeting all your family obligations. That's pretty normal for most of us, and somehow it will work out - good luck!!
Titan - you are too funny. I haven't done that since I was twenty, and I did not have a good experience - just became sleepy...a real party pooper when I was supposed to be "flying high"...just call me a dud! However, I love Bob Marley, so I will raise my first glass of some wonderful tropical rum drink with an itsy bitsy umbrella in it, to the day of his birth - thanks for the heads up!
My bathrooms are almost done!! I am thrilled with how they have come out - not thrilled with the layers of dust all over the condo, or the price tag, but it is well worth it. Can't wait till I christen my new shower.
Have a wonderful weekend everyone
Geri
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Christen your new shower..woo hoo..go for it.
Oh Judy...I'm so sorry about your friend's sil...it hits HARD when we see someone die of breast cancer..any cancer yes..but especially breast cancer...I think we feel a little survivors guilt..like..why them..and not me??? Plus loss of someone that is so young and leaving their husband and children alone..it just sucks...
I think all in all we hate the pain that our families go through...I can handle my BC..I just don't like my friends and family in pain..I hate that..
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Hi all, thank you so much for your supportive posts. I think that you have said it all. It is very sad and I think about it alot of the time.
Titan, I definitely get a bit of the "survivor's guilt" - I cannot even explain it to myself, but it is there. We are going to visit the husband later on today. I am sure that will be a very sad visit.
Geri, I am so pleased that your bathrooms are coming out as you wanted - enjoy the christening!
Amy, I am always in awe of people who pick themselves up from a personal loss and turn their focus into something positive. To run a camp for children with cancer is an amazing thing to do, it must bring happiness to a great many people.
Hope everyone has a good Sunday, hugs to you all, Judy x
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Hi All,
Sorry I didn't write sooner, I don't have any results yet. They did not run the test because my ins. co. had not communicated with them. When they did, it was for a tumor marker test only not the genetics test. So I called my counselor and she said let's wait while she fights my ins. co. In the mean time, my dh's insurance came through and said they would pay for it. I am fortunate to have double coverage. So I'd say in three weeks I might have the results. It was ok with me. I really don't want to know. It will be a mixed blessing no matter what happens.
Judy, I am very sorry to hear about your friend's sil. I think with every loss we re-live a part of our experience. We have all faced a jolt to our own mortality by living through a cancer diagnosis. Each loss reminds me to live each day to it's fullest. Life is precious....there are no guarantees.
Geri- I'm so glad you are able to enjoy your new bathrooms. And so soon..mamaa..you will be feelin good on tat trip to Jamaica. Have rasta fun!
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Hi all,
Betsy, thank you too for your support. We do re live some part of our experience with every loss, her husband was so brave when we saw him last night. He looks so drained, yet was talking to us and smiling and playing with his two young daughters, it breaks my heart.
I am sorry that it is taking so long for your results to come through, but if you are ok with that, at least that is something.
I am still in the job search process, sending out resumes and letters and hoping that something will come back to me. I had one offer, but it was a lot of hours and didn't feel right. I have not turned it down, I just need to be sure that I want to take it on.
Hope you are all ok today and sending you all hugs. I miss Lena.
Judy x
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Judy - congratulations on the job offer. It reinforces the truth that you ARE employable and desirable to the job market, that you got one so fast! But please take what I am going to say to heart....
We have been friends a long time, right? We have shared an awful lot of ourselves with one another. Several things that have always struck me about you are:
You are very committed to your family, both immediate and extended. You have A LOT of company and do a lot of entertaining. You put a lot of pressure on yourself to seamlessly manage your household through all of this. You have some challenges enforcing your children's participation in running the household (chores, etc.). You struggle with fatigue and feeling overwhelmed some times.
When I read over this list (which I hope you will find at least somewhat accurate), it seems to me that a job that has too many hours and 'didn't feel right' is NOT the job for you. I don't know what financial pressure you are under or how much urgency there is that you start working immediately. But my feeling is - if the hours were long and it didn't feel right, DON'T take it. If it looked that way in the interview, it is only going to look WORSE when you are actually doing the job. It might be possible to offer them a compromise - shorter hours or more flexibility or something, and if they want you enough, they will go for it. Or just keep looking.
Remember stress is bad for all of us. We need to make choices to reduce stress, not add more. And this one.....just doesn't feel right to me either.
I hope none of what I've written is offensive in any way. I only mean it with love.
Amy
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Amy - thank you so much for your post and you did not offend me in any way at all! I think that everything you have written is spot on! You certainly seem to know me well
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I am a person who often goes with my "gut feeling" and even though this job sounds like it could be interesting and fun, I think my stress levels may actually go off the charts LOL! I did speak to them about being more flexible, but they were adament that all the hours were necessary, so I may have to put it to the side for now and keep on looking.
We are under a certain amount of financial pressure, my husband is a school teacher and as valuable as we all know that is, it can be difficult financially. This week, I have been sending my resume to a variety of different places and have also signed up with recruitment companies so I hope that something may come out of that.
After the phone call where they told me that they could not be flexible, I realized that as attractive as it was having a full time income, I just couldn't do it and what is more, I didn't want to do it. I think it would reduce my quality of life too much.
So, no, your posting was not offensive in any way at all, I am so pleased that I have friends like you who can help advise me on stuff like this. Thank you.
Hope everyone has a good day, sending hugs to you all, Judy x
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What a good friend you are Amy - very well said with love to Judy, and you are so right. We have all faced such stress with this diagnosis, that if there is anyway to avoid adding more, then we need to do it. Judy, I am sure you will find the right fit. You are very wise to know if this is how inflexible they are before you are even hired, imagine what it would be like as an employee. Yeah to your husband for being a school teacher- it is a noble profession that often is not recognized fairly in financial terms. But thank him for me.
Titan - still waiting to christen the shower - don't you worry though, I have not gone unbathed in all these days - I was able to use the second bathroom which has a beautiful soaking tub with a shower option - tomorrow the grout will be dry enough for the REAL shower...yeah!
Don't know for sure what to wish for you Betsy, since you seem ambivalent about getting the results. I hope it will be the best news you can receive.
Helen - how are you?
And dat mon is it for now - 5 days till Jamaica!
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Geri, 5 days to go! Very exciting! I hope you have a wonderful trip. Thank you for your kind words, I know you are right, taking on more stress now would not be good and I am not sure I want to be in such an inflexible environment. My husband is a good teacher, he is very gifted and his students love him. But yes, you are right, it is not recognized fairly financially - it definitely should be.
So, the job search continues, I will keep you posted.
Helen, hope you are doing ok. Betsy, thinking about you.
Hugs to you all, Judy x
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I think I am struggling with the idea of good news, if it's good for me, it may mean my two sisters may have this nasty genetic mutation. If it's bad news...I don't like that either, it feels like another cancer dx without being sure what type of cancer may hit me next. I know it changes my protocol for colon cancer but there are so many other FREAKIN types of cancers it can cause. I'm scared...so I really don't want the news, BUT I know that it is in my best interest. I'm feeling very torn.
Judy...I think Amy's comments and your gut are right on. Good luck with finding the right position.
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Betsy - all the news has its up and downsides. But try to remember that knowledge is power, and whatever the results are, they will help you and your family to know more and be better advocates for your own health.
When I went to the counseling for the BRCA test, the genetic counselor said that to some people, a positive result is good news, whereas to others, a negative one is. She said that to families that have a lot of cancer in their history, a positive results explains why and helps them with future testing. Others wanted to not have the mutation, so a negative result was good for them. I found it very interesting, and I guess in your situation, it is similar.
I went through a rough patch about 2 weeks ago - not sleeping, lots of ,ot flashes, feeling very out of sorts. VERY unlike me, and it made me a little nervous, as to how long it would last, etc. But it passed and I feel much better now. I wonder if, even though we are not menstruating anymore (at least I'm not), if we still have hormonal times-of-the-month. Does anyone else notice anything cyclical like this?
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Betsy, thanks too for your support. I agree with Amy, in that, both ways have an up and down side. Sometimes we think that if we do not have the information, then we won't let our minds run away with all the possibilities of what may happen. A kind of "ignorance is bliss". (I am not suggesting for a moment that you are ignorant of course). But, if we are informed, it also allows us to take control to a certain extent. That is what happened when I had my testing. Once I knew I was BRCA1+, I decided to have my ovaries removed and to have regular screening for BC. Every one is different though and whatever the outcome, you know that you can always come here and talk to us about anything. We will support you in any way we can.
Amy, I think that even though we are not menstruating, we still do have some kind of cycle during the month. I have also been having hot flashes again and after a few weeks of sleeping ok, the sleepless nights kicked in again. You are not alone
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Hope everyone is ok, Helen, please come by to let us know how you are doing.
Hugs to one and all, Judy x
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Hi everyone. Sorry to be missing for a few days. I've been trying to keep busy. I have some good days and some not so good. I'm in the process of trying to start a small consulting business, putting my expertise to work. I don't know if it will work but I was thinking I'd like to be a coach/navigator for parents who are struggling with the school system so they can help their kids. Teach them what they need to know so they can better advocate for their kids. I still have many days when I feel lousy about myself - it is such a struggle as I have never come to terms with all the se's and the impact that BC has had on my life. I got my BRCA2+ dx after I had my first BC dx which was TN. Doctors were not surprised and had warned me that it was a strong probability because of my family history. So after lumpectomy, chemo, rads, I had my ovaries and tubes out. Docs were pressuring me to do bmx but I didn't want to do it and opted for surveillance which included MRI. Also started seeing dermatologist at cancer centre to watch for possible melanoma. There is no screening for pancreatic. Then 3 1/2 years later got second BC dx. This one was 100% ES+ and I think 90% PR+ despite having ovaries removed. It had already spread to at least 4 lymph nodes despite surveillance. So had to have bmx along with chemo and rads again. So I do feel like BRCA 2 is a cloud over my head and it's just a matter of time until something else happens. My oldest son has found out that he also carries it so my grandchildren are also at risk. Betsy, I do hope you get good news.
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Helen, so good to hear from you! I think a consulting business is a great idea! If you can find a way to use your skills to help others. I completely understand you having lousy feelings about yourself, I have that too. That is definitely one of the harder parts of looking for a job. I think those feelings are normal, some days better than others. You have been through a tremendous amount of trauma in your life and you need to cut yourself some slack. Think of how far you have come.
Carrying a gene is definitely a cloud over our heads, I get that too. I am so pleased that you can come here and share your feelings with all of us. Thinking about you (((Helen))).
Let us know if you make any progress with your plan. Betsy, how are you today?
Hope everyone has a good weekend, hugs to you all, Judy x
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the great input. Judy you are right, I'm not alone with my thoughts and I so appreciate everyone on this board. Helen, thanks for sharing. I knew parts of your story but not the entire story. I did not realize BRCA had a pancreatic cancer component to it. Maybe I heard it at some point but didn't recall it. So in many ways I'm struggling with some of the same issues a BRCA+ dx has caused the rest of you.
I still haven't heard from my counselor, so know appointment is scheduled as yet. At least today, I'm feeling better about everything.
Judy...you cracked me up worrying about me and "ignorance". I do feel ignorant about most of this medical stuff, there is far to much information to digest most of the time. You can call me ignorant any time...but not "an ignorant slut"...as I recall that is what Dan Akroid called Jane on Sat. Night Live. LOL
Amy - I do think we still have monthly fluctuations in our body even after menopause.
I hope Geri is enjoying warm sunny weather.
Betsy
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I often wish I was as ignorant about bc as I was before all this began. I think I know too much. One of the things that just dawned on me today is that I was 3 1/2 years from my first dx until the second. Now that we have hit the 3 year mark, I think I worry about 3 1/2.
Got my kids (not all) coming for dinner tonight. So just waiting for them to come. We'll be 7 this evening. The other 2 are at the cottage for the weekend as it's a long weekend here. Monday is called Family Day. It's a new holiday - only had it for about 3 years. We needed a break between New Years and Easter.
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Good morning everyone! Hope everyone is doing ok today and had a good weekend.
Geri, I hope that as I write, you are sitting on the beach, sipping something very colourful with a little umbrella sticking out of it! Have a great break!
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Betsy, I am so pleased that I cracked you up! There is so much information to take in and it is hard when the internet is also at your fingertips all the time, it can be very overwhelming at times. My Onc here in Israel, sent me for an endoscopic ultrasound to look at my pancreas as part of my follow up as a BRCA1+, so I guess, there is a connection between the gene and the pancreas. Let us know when you hear anything.
Helen, of course you worry, it is a constant worry, but they did tell me that by having the mastectomy, I had significantly reduced my chances of a recurrence. I think that every date along the way, signifies something. I think I am much more stressed and low at this time of year, as we pass from the anniversary of the diagnosis, to the surgery, starting chemo etc. Everything you are feeling and all your concerns are, in my opinion, justified and expected, so keep on coming here to share them with us. I hope that the family dinner was nice, I think that Family Day is a great idea!
I have an appointment with my plastic surgeon tomorrow and an Onc appt on Sunday. Will let you know how that all goes.
Sending hugs to you all for a great Monday! Judy x
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Hi all, I have just got back from my appointment with the Plastic Surgeon. I like this doctor, he has a nice manner about him. He has given me two options for surgery; One is taking from my back and using an implant and the other is taking from my abdomen. I am sure that there are proper medical terms for both procedures, but I cannot remember them right now.
I need to decide which one I would prefer and then go back to see him. I am feeling quite positive about taking this step. I am hoping that to some extent it may bring me some closure.
I am worn out from the day though, it was a full day including the travel to and from the appointment.
Hope you are all doing ok today. Hugs as always, Judy x
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Judy - I am glad the appt went well and that you like the PS. I think that what is tiring is the re-entry into the medical world, more than just the travel to and fro. At least that is what I find. I LOVE not being a patient. I see the BS for mammo/exam next week. Am not too nervous but will be glad when it is behind me, as I am sure you understand.
Thinking of Geri on the beach makes me smile. I hope it is a wonderful trip.
Love to all
Amy
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