Komen and Planned Parenthood

If Planned Parenthood could not restructure for what was the equivalent to them of $30 a year, to offset that.06% of the revenue of a grant they didn't qualify for, it's not Komen's fault. 

HappyLibby Pro-life people do have the right to their opinion. I respect that right and therefore don't call them names like "anti-choicers." I get annoyed when they call me "Pro-Abortion" or "Baby killer supporter." but refuse to come down to that level of disrespect.

Sometimes people forget that this site/forum is here to support women & men who are fighting and/or surviving breast cancer. Calling names can get people very upset. I don't think stress is good for our health or immune system.

But as mentioned before this isn't about pro-choice/pro-life.  This is about Komen's politics and how they let their own personal agendas get in the way helping women in need get healthcare.

Amen, PatMon!!!!!

Komen was going to give the money to other organizations for breast cancer screening. Women who needed screening were still going to be served. Perhaps there are women out there not being served who Komen was going to be serving. Are their lives any less valuable than the lives of the women PP was serving?

I think the point that Faye was trying to make is that PP's income is so huge that they could still probably manage somehow to screen those women for breast cancer. Maybe they could divert some money from their abortion program and redirect it to saving lives instead of ending them.

Thank you LCbarb!  You translated my math (and sources which were cited) perfectly.

This was not hurting PP.  If an organization of that size can't restructure and compensate for .06% of their revenue, there is a problem.  The women who go to PP weren't going to get their breast exam (or referral) cut out of their physical just because Komen denied them some grant $s.... and IF (and this is a very large if) PP decided to cut that 1-2 minute breast exam and referal out of their medical exams, based off what Komen did, it would have proven that it really wasn't about women's health for PP. 

And Komen's money could have possibly went to help women (underinsured) who live many hours from the nearest PP clinic.

             I am not pro-abortion.  I don't know anyone who is.   I don't know where all of these supposed pro-abortion people are or where they live.  In millions of miles of international travel, I have never met any such person. Everyone I know is pro-life.  I'd believe that there actually are pro-abortion people in the world if someone would actually introduce me to one.  As far as I know they are all figments of some pretty wild imaginations.              

             I am staunchly pro-choice.  All possible choices for myself and all possible choices for  everyone else as they wish to choose too.

             I am also staunchly anti-compelled pregnancy as social policy.  As I would not wish to be compelled by anyone else to be pregnant and forced into child rearing so I do not wish to compel anyone else to be pregnant and forced, at the point of a gun, into child rearing either.

             I'm going to get hot under the collar the next time someone here dares to call me pro-abortion -- I don't know know any such people  and neither does anyone else here -- and I'm going to get equally steamy under the collar when someone tells me that compelled pregnancy, under threat of criminal penalty, is a morally defensible position.

People who live with glass breast shouldn't throw stones..........

shokk

LovesChristmas wrote:

"We aren't anti-choice...we just believe that the choice is when a woman decides to have sexual relations with a man. If she doesn't want to risk getting pregnant, CHOOSE not to have sex."

             Be sure to say that to the woman who was raped the other day.  And to the fifteen year old kid molested by her father or her brother or her uncle.  Tell that to the woman whose life is on the line with an ectopic. 

            Tell them they all had choices about having sexual relations with a man and if they are now pregnant and that's a problem, oh, well, that was their choice.

            I really do want to see the very people who suggest such things have the guts to stand up in public and tell those three women that compulsory pregnancy in the circumstances is exactly what each of them deserve for having been so damn careless about their own sex lives.  

I think most of you all have dug your lines so deep in the sand that there is no way you all are going to agree.

Honestly my biggest problem is that Planned Parenthood is coming out the hero in this.  Since I was diagnoised I never really liked Komen, but I never really liked Planned Parenthood either.  I won't even touch the abortion issue.  My problem with Planned Parenthood is that in this country you can not drink until 21, you are not considered an adult until 18, you can't get a drivers license until around 16/17.  Now whether you agree with these laws or not they are our laws.  However at Planned Parenthood they can treat 14 and 15 (and younger I'm not sure) for things that I really feel should have a parent involvement.  Any doctor will tell you that a teenager that age has not fully grown up, but we are alloying them to make decisions by themselves that will effect the rest of their lives.  I really don't get why they are the hero's here.

            Komen's stupidity does not elevate PP's status to hero or anything else.  That's silly.  

            The value of PP's reputation rises and falls on its own merits. Just as Komen's reputation has just fallen on its own merits.

             One thing we do know: at least until this past week, Komen was happy to fund PP's merits as they pertain to women's breast health concerns.

I work with children and young people. One of my best friends at work shares your religious views loveschristmas. Difference is that she understands that people make mistakes, make poor choices, are in situations they cant control or simply need education on their rights and support to assert themselves. She is incredible, she doesnt judge young people or those in need of support, she doesnt moralise and preach, she steps up and helps out even in a world that is unlike her own. No one has posted any comments stating what people should and shouldnt do other than you. I may be apalled by your lifestyle but frankly its none of my business. I am interested in promoting health and wellbeing not forcing people into seeing things my way or living their lives my way. Good night all

I'm not judging anyone...that is in God's hands. Only He can judge because only He knows what's in a person's heart. There's a difference between judging and saying that something is wrong. I understand that people make mistakes; no one is perfect. But I don't think that an innocent child should have to pay with their life for the mistake that one or both of their parents have made. 

Mods you really should just take this thread down.......Komen is going to continue to fund PP......there is no reason for the name calling and having the abortion debate here.......there are plenty of other websites where these views can be discussed.......this site is about breast cancer.....

not about rape and 15 years old........and the energy here is becoming very toxic........

shokk

Shokk, you have wirtten more than once that you wouldn't be coming back here. Why read here if it bothers you?  I believe in freedom of speech; don't you?

Komen and their decision to defund PP:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/05/karen-handel-susan-g-komen-decision-defund-planned-parenthood_n_1255948.html 

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/the-clinic-that-will-be-hit-hardest-by-the-komen-decision.php





THIS is what defunding PP means to women in a 12-county area in Waco, TX.