Komen and Planned Parenthood

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  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    barbe-Why do you think that young people on birth control are uninformed about the dangers?  My daughter's friends are all quite knowledgeable about the risks they are taking. Some of them learned about it at PP, others at their family doctors. 

    If some girls are given meds without proper consults, regardless of place, it does not surprise me.  After all one only has to read the boards here to know that health care is uneven at best. 

    It seems to me that there are many contributing factors to BC, including "getting a bad card" as my nurse friend says.  But I don't see people shutting down sugar plantations, dairy farms or sweeping paraban laden cosmetics off the shelves and closing Macy's. And I don't see Komen refusing money from organizations because they make carcinogens.

    This is Komen's shift into politics.  It has nothing to do with contraceptives or BC and everything to do with the 3% of services unacceptable to their political agenda.  That's OK, they are a private organization.  But they should be clear, so that supporters have good information about who they are supporting.  It's like when they uninvited Israeli researchers to the middle east conclave because of a last minute threat to their funding, or suing over the use of their branding "for the cure."  It's all about Komen.  Not the cure. That's my opinion.

    In deference to the Moderators I will not engage the other part of your post. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2012

    Moderators:

    Could you please explain why this thread has been taken out of "Active Topics"? This is a breast cancer board and we are discussing breast cancer charities. Please, please do not tell me that you are worried about YOUR image in this?

    Is that what it is with women? We either agree and smile or we hide? And then we have the gall to call MEN sexist and wallow in self-pity victimhood at how "oppressed" we are? Disgusting. Since we've been taken off the active topics I'll say it.

    If people cannot discuss breast cancer health policy on a breast cancer board without censure - and I think people have been universally respectful here - then where can they discuss it?

    Maybe on a prostate cancer board?

    Or are you afraid of what Komen might think? I thought this, too, was a charity and we, the donors, deserve a voice.

    This thread is ON topic. People have said things considered inflammatory by different sides, but they have ALL done so in proper use of the English language and with restraint.

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    sab..I noticed you just addressed me as barbe....there is another Barb on here that goes by barbe1958 and I don't want you to be angry at her if by chance you have us mixed up. I added the LovesChristmas part months ago in the hope of avoiding those kind of mix-ups.

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Perhaps the censure is because some of the opinions stated on this thread are narrow minded, out of touch, out dated, moralistic, pompous, ill informed, patronising and offensive to women? And NOTHING to do with supporting sisters with breast cancer or in need of breast health services?

  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012
  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    Sorry LovesChristmas, I will be more careful with your name. I am not angry, just different than you.  I hope that's OK.

  • EvasMom
    EvasMom Member Posts: 8
    edited February 2012

    Given that birth control and possibly abortion raise the rate of breast cancer, it is rather counterproductive for a breast cancer organization to give money to Planned Parenthood.


    Moreover, why is one charity giving money to a second charity in the first place? People who want to give money to Planned Parenthood are perfectly free to do so directly.

  • Marl5900
    Marl5900 Member Posts: 32
    edited February 2012

    My money will go to Breast Cancer Action and Planned Parenthood.  And all my friends will do the same. This was really a bad move from the Komen foundation.  

  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    Um, EvasMom those discussions have been raised/answered/debated/debunked...I would invite you to read back a few pages (but brace yourself.)

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    LOL --- SAB --- :-)  I don't think you're evil.  I however did laugh at your 333 post!  Hopefully, I'm laughing with you.  Thanks for the laugh... No hard feelings for having different viewpoints, I hope.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    "Komen's $7.5 Million Grant to Penn State Appears to Violate New Policy

    Susan G. Komen for the Cure, which recently announced that it is ending grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screening because of a controversial investigation launched by an anti-abortion Republican congressman, currently funds cancer research at the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center to the tune of $7.5 million.

    Like Planned Parenthood, Penn State is currently the subject of a federal government investigation, and like the Planned Parenthood grant, the Penn State grant appears to violate a new internal rule at Komen that bans grants to organizations that are under investigation by federal, state, or local governments. But so far, only the Planned Parenthood grants appear to have been cancelled." source linky

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2012

    Ha, ha, ha!

    As I just said on another thread, I hope Congress investigates Komen. It would have to defund itself!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    SAB, thank you! Happy you did not stop commenting.

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    I understand that people are going to have different opinions. I don't think we need to resort to calling people "narrow minded, pompous, out of touch, offensive to women" etc...

    I was simply stating my opinions and my beliefs just like everyone else has been stating theirs and I've been trying to do so in a charitable way.

    I do think that it has been proven that birth control pills can cause breast cancer...that has not been debunked.

  • jyg
    jyg Member Posts: 198
    edited February 2012

    PP does not just hand out oral contraceptives but offers women various options for contraception plus STI prevention. The providers also screen for many diseases and provide treatment.



    If some of you are so anti-choice that you view PP as an evil entity, fine. But do not ignore all the good that it does for various aspects of women's health and for women with the least resources.



    I will continue to refute the unscientific claim that induced abortion causes breast cancer.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2012
    SAB..what you wrote a few posts up I think is spot on... Birth control and abortion can be attained at PP OR the local doctor... and having well informed teens is a crap shoot no matter where one gets their care... and AGAIN, it is not relavent to BREAST CANCER and finding a cure... Is it possible that birth control pills contribute to BC? Yes, along with alcohol, fat building foods etc...
  • FacingLIFE
    FacingLIFE Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2012

    Well NOW I know why I got breast cancer, it was those darned birth control pills. My ob/gyn and oncologist didn't seem to think so but I'll let them know they were mistaken. Do you mind giving me the source so that I can refer them to it.

     For those who are possibly wondering about Komen corporate sponsors, you can find them here:

    KOMEN'S CORPORATE SPONSORS: 
     
    http://ww5.komen.org/CorporatePartners.aspx 
     
    You know what to do.

    Shouldn't our purpose be to beat the disease, to stay strong and healthy, to share awareness and the need for screening, to give courage to those newly diagnosed and, very importantly, support those who are suffering with little chance of recovery.

    Politics has no place in our fight against breast cancer!

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited February 2012

    FacingLIFE - AMEN Sister!!!

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2012

    We are absolutely happy to have it in the active topics, as long as things stay respectful to one another. It was taken out of the active topics, as there was some very negative comments being thrown at fellow members. That is the only reason. We have no connection to Komen. 

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    FacingLife....the American Cancer Society lists birth control pills as a cause of breast, liver, and cervical cancer on their website listing group 1 carcinogens. It is also on the National Cancer Institute's site and is also listed as a group 1 carcinogen by the World Health Organization because of it's link to breast cancer.

  • EvasMom
    EvasMom Member Posts: 8
    edited February 2012
    If used before first pregnancy, oral contraceptives cause 44% increase risk of breast cancer, according to a review of 34 studies: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17036554

    The World Health Organization classified oral contraceptives as a carcinogen in 2005, based on numerous studies linking it to breast cancer, liver cancer, and cervical cancer. See http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol91/mono91.pdf

    Possibly abortion: evidence is more mixed and disputed. One 1996 meta-analysis found a link, see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1060338/?tool=pmcentrez , while other studies have denied any link, see http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-komen-abortion-20120202,0,4411738.story For a critical review of some of the literature, see http://www.jpands.org/vol12no2/brind.pdf and http://www.deveber.org/text/chapters/Chap2.pdf

    I suspect that abortion is so politicized that researchers on either side are eager to twist the data to support their point of view, so we'll probably never know the real truth.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    I thought we didn't know what causes breast cancer.

    I do agree that the birth control pill can slightly increase risk for breast cancer in some cases. The risk increased for long term users, higher doses of estrogen and those under 20. It does not significantly increase risk. Source linky (NCI ) They also discuss other cancers (in some cases the pill reduces risk in others increases). That increased risk disappears after 10 years of not using the pill.

  • dhmeiser
    dhmeiser Member Posts: 117
    edited February 2012

    As a Scientist I must respond to this

    "There has also been studies done that show that women who have abortions also have a higher rate of breast cancer....but no one talks about it too much because it isn't politically correct. "

    Those studies were not scientifically accurate and and are examples of how correlation does not imply causation, below is a classic clinical example of such.

    Numerous epidemiological studies showed that women who were taking combined hormone replacement therapy (HRT) also had a lower-than-average incidence of coronary heart disease (CHD), leading doctors to propose that HRT was protective against CHD. But randomized controlled trials showed that HRT caused a small but statistically significant increase in risk of CHD. Re-analysis of the data from the epidemiological studies showed that women undertaking HRT were more likely to be from higher socio-economic groups (ABC1), with better than average diet and exercise regimens. The use of HRT and decreased incidence of coronary heart disease were coincident effects of a common cause (i.e. the benefits associated with a higher socioeconomic status), rather than cause and effect as had been supposed.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    hillck I have seen lots of people innocently fed only part of the truth to support their way of thinking. Political campaigns do this all the time. I believe this is the case with birth control risk and breast cancer.

    Ironically if you watch half the adds for various drugs on TV  you will be amazed at how many have cancer (usually lymphoma) as a possible but not common SE. If there is one thing I've learned on this forum is to check out the information being presented. We all have our biases and sometimes see what we want to see.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2012

    And how many of us are on Tamoxifen? Which can cause Uterine cancer. I know I am... sometimes we need to take a risk to help another greater risk.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Exactly what I'm talking about Hillck

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited February 2012

    Thanks, Cindy for being so clear and honest.

  • -angel-
    -angel- Member Posts: 222
    edited February 2012

    Everyone should watch this powerful, courageous woman's video message to Komen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2ZwpSwm_4as#! 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Angel thanks for posting that.

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    I guess I am "biased" because I think that chastity brings peace and babies are beautiful gifts from God. I feel sorry for those who feel that unborn babies are just "unformed clumps of cells" that can be ripped from their mothers' wombs and who think that the risk of getting breast cancer (and other side effects) from taking the pill is better than the "risk" of having a baby. Having babies and breastfeeding them actually lowers your risk of developing breast cancer. But maybe they don't want to believe that either....

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