bi-lateral mastectomy or radiation
Hi. I'm 36 years old and was diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast this past November. I had the BRCA tests - negative, however I do have a very strong family history. My mother was diagnosed w/ breast cancer in her 30's and died from metastatic breast cancer in her early 60's. My sister had a brain tumor in her mid-30's. My aunt had breast cancer in her late 40s, early 50s. My maternal grandmother had lung cancer and skin cancer. My maternal grandfather had colon cancer and 2 types of leukemia. My maternal great-grandmother had both breast and ovarian cancer. I know nothing about my paternal side. I am now faced with the decision of either radiation or a bi-lateral. The oncologist is leaning towards the bi-lateral - more agressive. The breast surgeon seems to be leaning towards radiation. My main concern is this other "activity" that is happening in both breasts. Scared of the chance of recurrence, and/or an invasive cancer.
The biopsy showed focal comedo type necrosis w/ other areas a more solid to cribriform. "No definitive carcinoma is seen". It is grade 2, necrosis present. Then I had an MRI - right breast showed minimal areas of enhancement. Left showed "some areas of intense enhancement". The report also reads, "The enhancement pattern in the left breast is worrisome...I am worried that it represents areas of extensive DCIS. No skip lesions are seen." I then had a lumpectomy - most of the margins were negative. 2 were negative but close (<0.1 cm).
I only have 1 more month to make this decision. My gut is telling me that there is more going on, but I just don't know what to do. Any advice and/or professional opinions would be greatly appreciated. I am sorry for rambling, but have done a lot of research and still can't come to a decision.
Thanks for listening.
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Hi Shocker,
It's a tough decision to make, we are all so different even though we share the same disease.
Your Oncologist is your 'cancer doc' and I'd listen to him over your surgeon. You have a strong family history and you are relatively 'young' in BC world. I asked for a BMX when I received my first dx at 42, then when I was dx again at 46. Someone finally listened when I was dx for the third time and I had BMX/DIEP. I had three different primaries, all IDC & DCIS. I guess my opinion is biased as I wouldn't have had to go through #2 & #3 dx if I'd had a BMX the first time. I also wouldn't have had tissue damage from rads, or have developed thyroid problems from rads 'scatter' on my left side.
My attitude from my first dx was "take them, I don't feel any emotional attachment to body parts that are trying to kill me". But that's my perspective and you will research and ruminate on your situation until you reach your own conclusions. Decide what is right for you and you alone, and go with it.
All the best,
She
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You might think about getting a second opinion, both from a breast surgeon and an oncologist. Before I decided on my course of action, I spoke to two breast surgeons, two radiation oncologists and one oncologist. You could also ask each doctor what is the relative risk of recurrence with either approach.
I do agree with She that an oncologist is a specialist in cancer and will probably be the doctor that follows you after the surgery. But information is power, and in a month, you can talk to other doctors and perhaps be able to make a more informed decision.
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Among the medical/risk things be sure to consider how you personally handle stress. Are you a person who is likely to be living a life in fear if you do not get the mastectomy now? Or are you they type of person who will be able to move on and only stress a little every time you get your annual or semi-annual screening?
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Hi Shocker,
These are such personal decisions that obviously no one on these boards can make for you. I was only a few years older than you when diagnosed with grade 2 dcis in my left breast. I had BRCA1+2 testing (thankfully don't have either gene) and mris on both sides (which resulted in a false positive and biopsy on the right, no bc detected) and at the time thought I just wanted to "cut 'em both off because I want to make sure I won't die." Also didn't think I could handle the stress of further testing and worrying.
Thankfully I read posts from the brave women on these boards who faced these same decisions before me and the mx and bmx stories and their reconstruction issues.
As i sit here now, two years after that original diagnosis, I am glad that I did some soul-searching and reading and let the panic pass a bit before making that decision. I was given the option of either mx, bx if BRCA result(s) was positive, or lump+rads. I chose the latter.
I still have full sensation and look pretty much the same, except for a scar/dent that I consider the price to do battle with bc. Absolutely would have been mentally difficult for me to have had the mx or bx, and I never even was a big fan on my breasts before all of this.
Wishing you good inner peace with whatever you decide and please don't let anyone convince you to remove any body part until you are absolutely sure that it is the right decision for you.
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shocker,
Usually a surgeon or oncologist will present the choice of a 'lumpectomy with radiation' or a'mastectomy'. I don't understand why you've been given the choice between a 'lumpectomy w/radiation' and a 'bilateral mastectomy'. To deal with your current diagnosis, a BMX is absolutely unnecessary - DCIS doesn't travel from one breast to the other, and in fact it's extremely rare even for invasive cancer to move from one breast to the other. So for an oncologist to suggest that you remove both breasts when you have cancer in one is more than a little strange.
Where a BMX comes into consideration is if you are very high risk to be diagnosed again and/or if you are fearful of another diagnosis and would gain peace of mind by having a BMX. Many women choose to have bilateral mastectomies for that reason, but the decision to remove the 'healthy' breast is separate and very different from the decision on what to do with the breast that has breast cancer. And the decision to remove the 'healthy' breast is not a medical decision - there is no medical reason to remove a healthy breast; it's a personal choice on how to deal with future risk. That's a valid discussion for your oncologist to have with you, but again, it seems very odd that your oncologist has not also presented the option of a single mastectomy. With a single MX, you can always decide to remove the other breast at a later date if you then feel that it would be better for you.
I had too much DCIS in a small breast so I had no choice but to have a mastectomy. After having a clear MRI and a negative biopsy on my other breast (my 4th negative biopsy on that breast, so it certainly has a history of being 'busy'), I made the decision to have a single mastectomy. That was over 6 years ago and I remain happy with that decision. I am glad that I still have one natural breast, with natural movement and feelings. And other than a few benign cysts, I've so far had no problems with my remaining breast. I know that I have about a 20% risk of developing BC in this breast, but I prefer to think that there is an 80% chance that I won'd develop BC. But if I do, I will still be glad that I kept my healthy breast for these extra years.
A single MX might not be the right choice for you, but I would think that it is another reasonable option in your situation and as such, you may want to include it in your considerations. That might muddy the waters, or it might make the decision easier.
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Thank you all for your support.
Beesie,
Did you have reconstruction after your mastectomy? I believe Bi-lateral is coming into plat because I do have such a high risk and maybe because I am so small chested.
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Shocker - If you haven't already talk to a geneticist about your risk, you might consider that. For me the thought of semi annual screenings, more biopsies, the financial issues associated with that, not to mention the stress, and that is if nothing more comes up, was all too much for me to deal with. Best of luck with your decision. You've come to the right place.
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shocker, sorry I didn't see your reply until now.
Yes, I had reconstruction - an expander and then an implant. I also had a small implant added into my 'good' breast because I decided that I wanted to go just a little bit larger (from a large "A"/small "B" to a full "B"). For those who have a single mastectomy, generally it's easier to get good symmetry if you are small breasted. So your being small breasted is really not a reason for your doctor to suggest a bilateral - actually the opposite is true.
As I mentioned in my earlier post, it could be that your doctor is recommending the BMX because of your risk level to develop a new BC in the future, but if that's his reasoning, he should be explaining that to you and explaining as well that this decision is totally separate from the decision on what to do about your current diagnosis. You do not need a BMX to treat your current diagnosis although you may choose to have a BMX for other reasons.
I know that a lot of women prefer to have BMXs and are happy to have BMXs - for them it's the right decision. What's most important is that we each make the decision that is right for us. No one should tell us what to do, or suggest that what they did will be right for us too. This is too personal a decision. It's a decision that will affect you for the rest of your life, and each of us will have a different physical experience and will deal with it differently from an emotional standpoint. For this reason, I have a problem with any doctor who tells a women to remove a healthy breast without fully explaining why they should do this, without explaining that this isn't necessary to address the cancer that they currently have in the other breast, and without explaining that this is a choice and in fact is something that can be done now, can be done later, or doesn't need to be done at all. Doctors should present the facts and the relevant risk information so that they patient understands her choices and has the information she needs to make her decision.
In your case, I honestly think it's irresponsible of your oncologist to have not presented the option of a single mastectomy since that is certainly a valid option, whether you decide it's right for you or not.
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If I were you, I'd get the BMX. BS are very reluctant to do BMX unless there is cancer in both breasts. I had a cancer in my right breast and was going to do a Uni, but then opted for a BMX. I don't have any regrets, despite the loss of nipple sensation, which is a bummer. However, it reduced my risk of recurrence and that is what I wanted. You have a pretty significant history, so the chances of recurrence seem pretty high to me. If it came back, you would probably do a BMX, but if you have already had radiation, then your reconstruction will be more difficult. As it stands now, you will probably have an excellent cosmetic result because you don't need radiation.
Best of luck on your decision - I know it's a tough one!
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After more research and talking things over with my husband, I have scheduled the bi-lateral mastectomy. It is set for 02-01-12. Thank you all for your support. I know it's a long road to recovery, but i am at peace with my decision. Thank you again
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My bc on the left side was in a duct however when I pointed out the lump two years prior they decided it was a cyst and didnt check it. They did check it when I had a very small spot on the right side and it was cancer. It was located on scar tissue from a biospy in 1993 which turned out to be benign. The cyst was large but not all cancer and they offered me to have the lump removed on both sides which I did. I have had LE on both sides along with cellutitus x2 on the small side. Kinda wondered why the right side deals more problems than the larger one that did have 4 nodes. Going to ask my dr when I see him. I had good margins and low grade on both sides. While my mother died of bc (refused treatment) she was post menopausal and died at 71. Have done everything my mother would not chemo, rads and tamoxifen so I really dont feel at this time I have a loaded gun pointed at me just the se's of treatment. I fall into a gray area for staging either 2b or 3a because of the cyst not being totally cancer. It is what it is. Just wondered why a small spot would cause more problems than a larger one.
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Sorry let me add my breast surgeon is one of the best. He only does breast cancer and told me that reoccurance would be the same if I removed them or not. He was a little surprised about the 4 nodes however said that made no difference in decision just treatment. I scanned once before surgery (clear), once after radiation (clear lot of scar tissue from rads) and mammogram about 6 months later. No more scans and mammos only once a year with a chest x-ray. I am 65 and ned right now and perhaps like their decision because of the mental hassle of checking for stuff. They called me cured (that is an iffy word) but sounded good.
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