October 2011 Chemo group
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Terry.. To me, recovery was alot easier to me then chemo also. The worst part was the node removal but I'm guessing they don't have to do it this time. I just took pain meds for first couple days. Then Tylenol. Drains are a pain though. I hope they are out for Christmas!! I will be thinking of you on Wednesday. Hope your feeling better today.
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Terry, are you having a lumpectomy or a full mastectomy? I can't speak to the latter but I was surprised how easy the lumpectomy was. The worst part was throwing up that night...ask for an anti-nausea patch (which I did for my second surgery), it works wonders! The couple of days after it was sore if I stood up or sat up, so I just laid on the sofa with my laptop and even was able to continue working that way. After a day or two I only took the painkillers to go to sleep. But through the whole thing the pain was never severe, just sore. If you've made it through chemo, surgery will be a breeze!
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Terry - I will be in your shoes in February after I finish my chemo. I'm sure you are overwhelmed as the day approaches. I just said a prayer for you!!! I'm so glad to hear you ladies say that surgery should be a breeze after going thru chemo.....I will trust what you all say (LOL). This will be my first major surgery my life, so I have no idea what that kind of "pain" is. Funny thing, I was rarely sick in my life. I thought I had such a powerful immune system and often bragged about my fortune. Oh well......genetics, nothing you can do about that. My mom's side is full of cancer.....I'm just the youngest ever to be diagnosed....go figure!
Last night, I went to a Christmas ornament party with a bunch of girlfriends...room full of 30+ women......as soon as I got home, I cried and cried. It hit me hard last night....the fact that my life has changed so drastically. I wanted to shout "shut the *#ck up" so many times......quit talking about your husbands, your kids, your minor aches and pains, your houses, your cars, your vacations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah......that's all I could hear. I have 'effin cancer......shove it all up your ass!! (LOL)
Anyway, that's my story......day #8 after treatment #4......feel like I turned a corner yesterday.....food is starting to taste semi-good again. SEs pretty much the same, just stronger and lasting longer.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend my fellow warriors!!!
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I have to agree with those who say surgery is WAY easier than chemo. I had two surgeries within a week. I was uncomfortable when I moved around a lot. I needed a little help when I showered the first time. When I sat in a chair it was easy to find a position that was comfortable. I had to take it easy the first few days but after that, it really was easy.
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Wild - I know what you mean. I have a low tolerance for whiners right now and when I hear people complaining about minor issues I have to just walk away. I so much want to say be thankful for your normal life.
Teri...I cant speak for every one.....Surgery was easy for me for me....I had a double max at 3 pm one day and was sent home the next day by noon. I did not take the pain meds...had some nas after the surgey but they fixed that fast........it was hard to sleep on my back and my back was achy...so I slept in the recliner the first week. I was just really tired. We will be thinking of you Terri.....if you made it thru chemo, then you will do fine in surgery...just keep telling yourself that.
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Wild-I know exactly what you mean. Ihave so much trouble connecting with "normal" people. Its hard to know what to say. But I did go out with work friends to a Bunko party, and I had a great time. no one asked about BC. I too cried after I got home from my work christmas party. Even though I looked great(I've lotst weight) I just cried for the part of my life I've lost.
The hardest freaken part of Sx for me was the freaken constipation. Agghhh I had it bad. my appetite was nonexistant, bowels were slowed down due to anesthesia. It was horrible. I think I have hemroids now. TMI I know. I finnally have things back in working order. I never realized it would take so long to get my insides working again after Sx. And the pain pills will stop things up too.
I saw the funniest movie on netflicks-its a documentary about beer. How Beer Saved The World. Check it out if you have netflicks. makes me want beer. it just doesn't taste right now.
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Well so much for thinking I was home free. . . . got my ass handed to me by Round #4. Woke up Friday morning (day 5) after such a bad night's sleep I immediately went back to bed and slept the entire day! It didn't dawn on me to check my temp until 4:30 that afternoon -- turned out to be 101.7. I was told to call for anything over 100.5, so I did and ended up going to the ER for 6 hours Friday night, where they pumped me full of fluids and tylenol. Also gave me a script for Levaquin for my diagnosis of "Fever of Indeterminate Origin". At least it wasn't the flu. Still felt pretty crappy yesteday with a fever off and on, but today I woke up to 98.6. Yeah! Really draggy still, but it's 10 a.m. and I haven't had a nap yet, so that's progress. I'm supposed to go on a little 2 day trip tomorrow and if I can't go, I am going to be so bummed. It was supposed to be a little "end of chemo" celebration, so I've got to rally here!
wilrumara - we all know our lives are forever changed, so when those crying moments sneak up on you, you just let 'em out! You'll feel better for it (but you probably already know that).
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I also have a problem dealing with "normal" people, because I don´t know, what to say or to talk about. Everything normal seems so unimportant to me, I´m sitting here in my breast cancer world and just think about chemotherapy and radiation...and if there is really a life after treatment.
fredntan: I often cry for the lost part of my life, too...sometimes it seems that I lost my innocence, will there ever be a time where I can lean back and be happy without this bc in my head? I don´t know and that scares me a lot.
On Tuesday I had my 4th session of TEC and it was hard, yesterday I was at the point that I thought about breaking up... I was so tired, I felt like a 95 year old woman, just sick and without energy. I don´t want to go to the next session, although know, that have to.
Terry: Surgery seemed easy to me in comparison to chemotherapy. I had my lumpectomy with node removal at the beginning of september and had to stay at the hospital for nearly 5 days because of the weekend ( surgery was on thursday, I got home on monday morning). It was not very painful, although I was sooo scared before, because this was the first surgery I ever had in my life.
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@Moonflower....I like that..."Sitting here in my breast cancer world".......so true. And when your in the depths of chemo illness, its sooo bad. I have a friend who has Stage IV......I need to get together with her soon for her to put things into perspective for me.....
Boy I was pissed after I left that party the other night (LOL). Guess it doesn't help that when I tried to have a glass of white wine, it tasted like crap.....and actually burned when I took a few sips! You know who I'm really pissed at right now.....some of my closest friends actually. I am not looking for sympathy, believe me, but sometimes I can't believe how insensitive they really are.......shut up already, is all I want to say to them. I have learned a very important lesson since my diagnosis.......shut up and listen to people....ask them how they are doing/feeling, send cards out often to those who need encouragement for whatever reason. I think I've always been a pretty good listener and encourager but I've never been much of a card sender......will definitely be doing that in the future. We all have our crosses we have to bear in life......I kept waiting for the "ax to fall" so to say, as God has been very good to me.....I know He still is and will continue to walk beside me through this. Enjoy your Sunday!! It's beautiful here in PA
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Hi girls - just checking in after two days of planning a Christmas party for my team and their spouses/significant others. We had it last night and it was fun. Didn't think about cancer, chemo, or anything during the entire party!!
Terry - will be praying for you. Like everyone has said, you are going to be just fine. Surgery was nothing compared to chemo. Please let us know how you are doing as soon as you can.
Nancy - so sorry to hear you also got your butt kicked with your last treatment. It took me about a week to feel good again. I'll be praying for you too so that you can go on that "end of chemo" trip and thoroughly enjoy yourself.
Isn't it funny how cancer has changed our views on life though? I was getting my nails done and was listening to a woman go on and on about how someone got mad at her because she pulled out in front of them. I swear she talked about it for 15 minutes. Lord I'm so glad I don't get upset about stupid stuff like that anymore. The normal life "stuff" just doesn't bother me anymore. That's kind of refreshing!
I saw Santa at the mall yesterday. I soooooo wanted to go jump in his lap and tell him I wanted my hair back for Christmas!! I figured it would freak him and the kids out though so I restrained myself.
Hope you all have a wonderful day.
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Carla- I totally had that impulse too about Santa! Family keeps asking me what I want for Christmas and I say to myself-hair, boobs, strength,taste, emotional control, a normal pet scan- you know the basics- but I quietly tell them nothing- I'm just thankful to be here. Life has changed so much so fast.
So my insurance denied my pet/ct scan that I had done back in August. The letter said a physicians review board deemed it " not necessary towards breast cancer treatment". Boy- you know I'd like to have a word with those docs. You damn sure know if they were told they had a stage 3 cancer growing in them they would want to know if that fucker had mets'd to another organ. FYI it did reveal metastatic disease which did alter my treatment plan. Guess I'll have to appeal it and educate these brain surgeons. I am thankful I have some type if insurance though. -
wild - you took the words out of my mouth
"You know who I'm really pissed at right now.....some of my closest friends actually. I am not looking for sympathy, believe me, but sometimes I can't believe how insensitive they really are.......shut up already, is all I want to say to them. I have learned a very important lesson since my diagnosis.......shut up and listen to people....ask them how they are doing/feeling, send cards out often to those who need encouragement for whatever reason. I think I've always been a pretty good listener and encourager but I've never been much of a card sender......will definitely be doing that in the future. We all have our crosses we have to bear in life......I kept waiting for the "ax to fall" so to say, as God has been very good to me.....I know He still is and will continue to walk beside me through this"
It amazed by the people whoh hevae been supportive and the ones who have not..my work friends have really come thru for me..and some "aquaintances" but some of my close friends and family have left me high and dry....it has been an eye opener for sure.
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fredntan- Ive had a lumpectomy and nodes out back in June but before rads he wants the boob GONE so now I have to have a mast
as he says it was .5 from the coterized margin and its gotta go before he will start rads, Chemo is all done 18 weeks of it and DONE, I dont have big boobs anyway but still its MINE and I kinda like it... Sort of...... Still freaks me out
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We'll all be thinking about you tomorrow Terry. You can do this. Be strong, put those Big girl panties on. we'll burn them later.
I know what you'll mean by some of your closest leaving you high and dry.
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Terry I will be thinking about you!
Auntienance-I am glad your fever has lessened! I hope you can make that trip. You so deserve it.
LoriKristine-I had to fight insurance for ER visits and I won! You will too!
In the future I will send cards more and not just at the beginning of a crisis. So many people forget about you. I received many cards at the beginning and quite frankly kind of needed them much more during chemo. I really appreciate the cards I have been receiving recently. I have also been amazed at the kindness of some aquaintences and the total silence from people who I thought were friends. Some people just don't know what to say and so they say nothing.
I receive an email every morning from one of my sisters. It is a quick note to let me know she is thinking of me, asks how I am feeling and what I am going to do that day. When this is all over, we will have a day by day account of this journey. I am so lucky to have her in my life!
I made spritz Christmas cookies today! It felt so good to do some normal Christmas preparation.
Have a great evening everyone!
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I have facebook also.... Terry LeBreton-Dashnay just incase anyone would like to add me... Thanks for the well wishes, I have my big girl panties on, well sort of, they keep falling down
Wednesday sure is coming fast
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BC seems to be the big elephant in the room where our friends and acquaintances are concerned. It appears to me to be one of two things, either people just really don't know what to say so end up babbling about silly stuff to keep from having to deal with an awkward (for them) situation or else by acknowledging it, somehow it makes it too much of a reality that they could "catch it" too. I'm so grateful for the few folks close to me that have helped me through this, just by calling, texting, sending a funny card, offering to take me to an appointment or bringing over a meal. If people would only realize that the very best thing they could say to me is "how are you feeling?" instead of acting like nothing has changed.
Thanks for the good wishes, they worked! I'm feeling 100 percent better tonight and even managed to pack my suitcase. Of course with a serious case of chemo brain I hope I didn't forget anything important! Love ya my sisters! -
Getting ready for Taxol #1 this week. - ugh. Harder cause Hubs wont be here this time....going with my SIL.
Do you all take the Claritin the morning off ?
I am going to take a nexium to as I heard is causes bad heartburn.
This is the first time I have to take the steriods the day before and morning off ?
Any tips for this ?
I wonder why they are not giving it to me in an IV this time ?
Full of questions this morning...I will say I wish I could sleep better
Auntie - have a great trip
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Tappy - I think most people take claritin the day of the neulasta shot and for several days after. I'm sure it won't hurt to take it the day before, I think some do that too. I take it everyday for allergies. I've always taken the steroids the day before and two days afterwards, but I seem to remember someone here on a reduced dose taking them the day of (Michelle?) I'm not sure if she got it iv though. The only tip I have for that is to take an ativan to try to sleep. I never had much success sleeping the night before infusions. Good luck in the chair. You'll be one step closer to being done.
Lori kristine, love the line about wanting emotional control for Christmas lol, wouldn't that be nice!
Terry, good luck Wednesday, we've got your back! -
Wildrumara, a dear lady friend of mine is a 40 year bc survivor. She told me that she's glad she got cancer, it's made her a better person. She is very active in the community and fund raising activities and really is a wonderful person. While I don't think I'd go so far as to say I'm glad I got cancer, I'm not. I hate it, it certainly does change you and puts a lot of things in perspective as most of us have noted here.
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Congrats to all of you who have made it through AC and are now moving on to Taxol. You'll find it different if not necessarily easier. There is definitely less nausea, a bit more joint pain and I found the fatigue continued to build.
I received the following "pre-meds the day of treatment: 50 mg of IV benadryl (which was reduced to 25 after the first Taxol treatment without an allergic reaction); IV Pepcid; IV Aloxi; 1 Emend tablet and 6 mg of Decadron - tablets). They don't normally give the Emend and Aloxi for nausea, but it had worked well for me with AC and we decided not to change anything. I took the Emend for the following two days. I took generic Pepcid every day during Taxol to cut down on reflux. Occasionally I supplemented with a Tums or two. I was also taking generic Prilosec so I had all the bases covered. Taxol irritates a different acid generator than the one affected by AC, so that is why my center administers the IV Pepcid.
The 6 mg of Decadron is the only steroids that I got each treatment. I didn't take any the day before or days after.
The IV benadryl made me groggy for an hour or so during treatment. It knocks out many people and you might just end up napping through the whole thing. I never slept, just slurred my speech like a drunk person for that hour...lol. Also, my Taxol IV drip took 3 hours in addition to the time it took for my exam, lab work and pre-meds. My whole time at the center was at least five hours, so don't be surprised if yours takes a long time. A slow drip helps prevent allergic reactions. I was on dose dense, you weekly Taxol gals will be much quicker.
I took Claritin the day I got Neulasta (the day after treatment) and the next four days.
My "worst" days with Taxol were days 4 and 5, where I really noticed joint aches and pains. I already take Meloxicam for arthritis, so I took a couple of Tylenol if it got bad enough to keep me from sleeping. I had to be careful, though, because Taxol elevated my liver enzymes a bit - I think it was the second treatment that we noticed it. But at the third one, they had returned to the normal range. Just be aware that it might happen to you.
And remember to keep up your hydration.
My eyelashes and eyebrows held on during AC, but by the last Taxol treatment they were all gone.
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LuvRVing-I want to thank you for being our guide-I saw you over in the Rads section-What creams did you think were best during the rads? any other tips we should know for rads?
So for taxol-I switch to prilosec? and bring in 4 bags of frozen peas to ice up my extremities? I'm sure I'm going to look comical like this-and you just have to do this while the taxol is going in? not while any other emend or what ever is going in. should you do it when you get home that day??? I've heard you just reuse the peas and throw them out when done. I guess you could wear those soft gloves on and put on some lotions while your at it. I'm doing the weekly (12) taxol.
any other supplements you recommend> I'm taking the L glutamine and B6
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Just to chime in about the "normal" friends. I just love to hear people bitch and moan about having a bad hair day. I just wanna tell them atleast they have hair. Perspective people!
They cut way down on my steroids due to high glucose. I have only been getting a small bag of decadron the day of. I have not used any Claritin yet but will definitely have some on hand when starting the Taxol.
Good luck w/starting the Taxol this week Tappy. I have my last AC tomorrow.
Will have you in my thoughts Terry for your surgery. You can do it!
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Fredntan - my pleasure! This community has been invaluable to me, and I'm just giving back in my own way!
When I was on Taxol, I took both Prilosec and Pepcid. I wasn't sure if I needed the Prilosec (which helped when I was on AC). But I didn't want to try and figure it out once I started Taxol. So I took one in the morning and one before bedtime, and I didn't have much of a problem during treatment. I stopped both of them two weeks after I finished and I have been fine. Pre-chemo, I never had a heartburn problem except on rare "over-indulgences" and I am back to normal.
The clinical trial for supplements to prevent neuropathy with Taxanes (Taxol, Taxotere or Abraxane) is using Acetyl L-Carnitine. I took it along with the L-Glutamine and B6. I thought about icing my fingers and toes, but decided that I couldn't sit there with ice on my extremities for three hours, so I didn't do it. I might have tried it if I had done weekly Taxol. I had a bit of neuropathy in my feet (tingling) when I would get up after sitting for a while, but it is gone. Yes, you're not going to eat those peas so I'm sure you can refreeze them. I wonder if lima beans would stay frozen longer?
I have had only 8 rads treatments so far. I am using Moisturel cream because I already had it, and it was on the list of recommendations from my radiation team. Many people use Aquaphor and they swear by it although they complain that it's greasy. Moisturel does not leave a greasy film - I've used it as my face cream for 20+ years so I have a lot of experience with this product. It's hard to find in stores and I usually order it from Amazon or Drugstore.com. I haven't had any skin reactions yet, but it's a little soon so only time will tell if the Moisturel was the "best" option for me.
Terry - good luck today. The worst will be the drain - it's a bit of a pain to deal with. I didn't find my BMX to be nearly as painful as I thought it would be. Wishing you a complication-free surgery and recovery!
Hugs to everyone,
Michelle
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Terry, I also will be thinking of you! I can understand, that you are afraid, but everything is gonna be allright!!!
Just try to drink a lot of tea or things like that, this may help. I also felt ill before my surgery, the doctor said this is no problem as long as there is no fever (sorry, if my english is sometimes a little bit strange, I´m from Germany and just learned school-english)...
auntienance: My mother has also a friend, a 15 year suvivor, which told me the same thing. She said, if she could change something in her life it would not be cancer. This sounded weird to me, I was newly diagnosed, just 28 and then she tells me such a thing. It maybe true, that having cancer makes you live your life in an more intense way, it´s right, that now I really am thankful for my family, friends and my boyfriend, but allthough I would do nearly everything to change the fact, that I have BC. I don´t want it.
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auntinance...sorry to hear about your fever. Hope you continue to feel better and glad it was nothing nasty.
Terry--I imagine a full mastectomy is scarier than a lumpectomy, on many levels. I did have a second surgery, but it was just scraping out a little more margins, so it was even easier than the first. No drains or hospital stay, though. I hope your surgery goes smoothly and is pain-free.
I found that it was most difficult dealing with people right after diagnosis. That's when I got all the pitying looks that I just couldn't stand. Now that I'm in chemo and my diagnosis is old news, they just seem happy to see me whenever I'm out and about and feeling OK.
The one thing that *really* bugs me though are things like a facebook conversation between some of my friends the other day. One was concerned about lowering her salt intake, and another piped in with "Eat all the salt you want! We're all going to die of something someday!" I responded with " 'We're all going to die of something some day' is a fun philosophy until your doctor uses the word 'prognosis' and discusses the statistical probability of your being alive in 5 years. Then, making minor dietary or lifestyle changes doesn't seem so onerous anymore.'" -
Tappy- I'm going in for taxol #3 tomorrow. I only do steroids IV the day of infusion. I have been having heartburn but Pepcid has helped. I also have been feeling the numbness in my fingertips and I haven't done anything for this yet. I'm going to try the L-carnitine to see if it helps. I have had NO nausea since coming off the AC. (Praise the Lord!) I am willing to deal with all the other side effects if it means no nausea.
Terry- I'm sorry you have to have the mastectomy. I had a bilateral done in September. I've always thought of myself as a brave person but I remember feeling like a scared little girl when they had me scoot over on to the OR table. I don't mean to scare you. I just want to encourage you that what you are feeling is what a lot of us have felt too. We totally understand. My surgery was over in a couple of hours and I was groggy and stoned most of the rest of the day. Take the pain meds as scheduled. The drain was the most pain for me. My incision lines were numb (and still are) it was just those drains that caused sharp pain when I moved.
Auntienance and Moonflower- maybe in 50 years I may think different but right now- I'm ready to get off this cancer roller coaster. -
Does someone here have cough because of chemotherapy? My onc said it´s normal when you get taxotere, but I´m always concerned. My throat is too dry and it feels like the cough is coming from there...but I don´t know what to do about it.
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is it from your sinus's Moonflower? drainage from sinuses can cause a cough. I use netipot daily, sometimes twice to keep my sinus's clear of junk(snot)
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