Has this happened to anyone? Lumpectomy and airport security

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ej01
ej01 Member Posts: 155

I am almost 2 months post lumpectomy and 3 weeks post radiation.  I still have a little bit of a lump where I am healing from surgery, but no pain.  I was travelling today and had to go through the body scanner at the airport...you know the one where you raise your hands over your head and gives you an xray type of effect.  This one just shows the outline of a person and puts a big yellow circle when it sees a suspicious area.   My left breast right in the area of the lumpectomy was hilighted as suspicious and I had to get a patdown of that area.  I told the lady doing patdown that I had recent surgery there, and she said 'no that wouldnt be it'.   Well it was the same area and i certainly did not have a knife stashed in my bra.     How long will this last that my area healing from surgery looks suspicious to the airport scanner?

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  • NJMarilyn
    NJMarilyn Member Posts: 37
    edited November 2011

    I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering how to handle wearing a prosthesis at the airport.  Do I wear it or not?  And, do I tell a TSA agent?  Just wondering what others have done.

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited November 2011

    There is a small "pin" or "clip" that is often left behind so that the surgeon can locate the area of concern.. perhaps that was picked up? 

  • juliet62
    juliet62 Member Posts: 3,412
    edited November 2011

    samething happened to me, i finshed rads in july and flew the begining of sept and got a patdown after each bodyscan x4, i wondered if the rad "exposure" was what was triggering it.

  • ej01
    ej01 Member Posts: 155
    edited November 2011

    I am going to ask my BS about it next week when I have my follow-up.  I hope its only a short term thing.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    The fact that people put up with this in a free country is amazing to me.

  • juliet62
    juliet62 Member Posts: 3,412
    edited November 2011

    windlass, it happened to me in amsterdam airport to as well as us ones

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Headline: "Europe Bans X-Ray Body Scanners Used at U.S. Airports"

    The European Union on Monday prohibited the use of X-ray body scanners in European airports, parting ways with the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, which has deployed hundreds of the scanners as a way to screen millions of airline passengers for explosives hidden under clothing.The European Commission, which enforces common policies of the EU's 27 member countries, adopted the rule "in order not to risk jeopardizing citizens' health and safety."

    When will the US get a clue and follow suit? Why do people act like lemmings and tolerate their own government viewing them naked and humiliating them?

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited November 2011

    As you may or may not know, I have recently returned from a trip around the world and I went through a lot of Airport security.  At each stop I told them that I wear a prosthetic and had a metal rod in my arm.  The only thing I had a hassle with was my knees........yes I said knees.   Both my knees are due for replacement and are very misshapen...........the pat downs I got were for the knees..........I think they thought I had strapped something illegal to them......lol.......but I loved the look on the patters face as they realised that they were indeed my knees.

    My point is, it's easy to be willing and make their job a little easier, I didn't feel that it was an intrusion on my personal space and it was done with safety in mind.......mine as well as everyone elses.  It put my mind at ease knowing that if they felt something needed to be double checked well then it was double checked and I could board that plane feeling secure.

    Love n hugs.  Chrissy

  • juliet62
    juliet62 Member Posts: 3,412
    edited November 2011

    here here chrissy,  the women that patted me down were professional and courteous

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Well at least now I have my answer.

  • oliviafinnegan
    oliviafinnegan Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2011

    Just what is the exposure in those body scanners? I think the tiny titanium chips that are placed at biopsy prior to surgery are too small to set off airport security but might be wrong. 

    From 2005-2008 I did quite a bit of traveling in Europe and Britain, US and Canada. In Europe they seem to have a more focused idea of what they are looking for and don't subject everyone to so much inspection. Then you hit American custom and immigration and you get patted down like a criminal in full view of crowds of people. I like to feel safe but this kind of thing strikes me as ramping up more fear than providing a sense of safety. 

  • xtine
    xtine Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    "Just what is the exposure?"

    The claim is that the exposure is very small, and less than you would receive from the radiation from flying. However, there have been various concerns raised with that claim. One concern is that, while the radiation is small, it is more focused on the skin and so might be large in the focused area. Another concern is that the scanners might sometimes be miscalibrated and be giving off more radiation than thought. Here is an open letter from UCSF regarding scientists concerns: http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2010/11/5810/ucsf-scientists-speak-out-against-airport-full-body-scan.

    In addition to the safety concerns, there are privacy concerns and a general question as to whether these scans are actually making us safer. There has not yet been a demonstration that these scans have prevented any violence, and there are other neglected security techniques (background checks, interviews with trained agents) that have been shown to be very effective.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited November 2011

    My onc told me to refuse the body scanner.They are too new.No one knows the SE's from them.Especially if you travel alot like I do.Last time I refused they just gave me a quick patdown.No big deal.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Thank you. I am glad there is some sanity here.

  • WellWater
    WellWater Member Posts: 6,546
    edited November 2011

    I recently flew home from Tampa.  When I saw I was in the body scanner line, I tried to move to another line but they stopped me.  I told them I would NOT go through the scanner so they brought up a female security agent.  There was a chair in the middle of the TSA area that everyone going through security had a clear view of....I guess they wanted all to see what happens when you refuse to be scanned, though she did ask me if I wanted to be patted down in private.  I said no, I had no problem with doing it in public. The agent was a very nice woman...she explained how she would be touching me before she did it. 

    I don't care how many times the government tells me that the radiation is minimal and won't hurt me - I was told the same thing about hormone replacement therapy.  I am the only one in my family who took HRT and the only one with breast cancer.....I am not going to be exposed to the radiation on a full body scan. 

     And, yes Windlass, you are right...it is amazing what we - in a free(?) country - will put up with.

  • momoftwo526
    momoftwo526 Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2011

    I have had metal clips from biopsies since 2003 and have travelled throughout the US, Mexico, Brazil and Europe and have NEVER set off a scanner.  However, when I had radioactive dye for a bone scan, I did.  I did tell the hospital that I was going to be travelling within the next 2 months after the scan and I was given a certificate to show at the airport, which took care of things.

    So it is more likely from the rads!

    Phyllis

  • momoftwo526
    momoftwo526 Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2011

    BTW, I had a friend on one of the planes that crashed on 9/11. He was a father, husband, friend and pastor from Illinois.  I do not mind the additional security at the airports.  Maybe if they had had more security in 2001, he would not have died.

    Phyllis

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited November 2011

    I had a unilateral mastectomy and just went through the whole body scanners on my trip for the

    BC chatters get together in Florida...no problems...I might add that I have been traveling for over ten years after the mast. and never encountered a problems anywhere..I wear a prosthesis..

  • xtine
    xtine Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    "I do not mind the additional security at the airports. Maybe if they had had more security in 2001, he would not have died."

    My condolences. However, there is no indication that this particular security would have changed things. They had box cutters. The box cutters would have showed up on a metal detector, if on their person. We wouldn't need an x-ray.

    Furthermore there were real indications of planning for the 9/11 attacks prior that were ignored by security officials. If they had been paying attention, the attacks could have been prevented.

    I agree that it can be worth it to make sacrifices to prevent violence. However, we have to feel confident that (a) those sacrifices will actually make a difference, and (b) the cost of those sacrifices are worth the cost of the violence they might prevent. In this case, the cost of scanners includes a possible risk to many lives, not just of travellers but of the security agents standing next to the scanners day in and day out. And the cost includes a loss of privacy and a loss of some freedom to travel. Are those costs worth it?

  • oliviafinnegan
    oliviafinnegan Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2011

    WOW,Joycek, that TSA woman was incredibly insensitive not to mention ignorant. I'm sorry you had to deal with her.  You have to wonder just how damaged some people are to have that little compassion for another person. 

  • xtine
    xtine Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    To clarify, not all of the body imaging machines involve radiation. The millimeter wave machine uses radio waves and is radiation free. So it's possible that's why she said there was no radiation. I've tried to look up the type of scanner at each airport I visit so I know whether or not we'll be asking for a pat down (of course both machines have privacy concerns).

    Here's an article describing the difference between the two and how to recognize each: http://blog.tsa.gov/2008/05/which-is-it-millimeter-wave-or.html

    If we're going to do body imaging, I don't know why we couldn't just universally use the version without radiation, since it exists.

  • ej01
    ej01 Member Posts: 155
    edited November 2011

    I had a follow-up appointment with my BS and asked her about this.  She had not heard of anyone getting stopped by airport security for this.  She said that I appear to be healing fine, but offered to drain the area thinking maybe that would help.  I told her no...unless it was medically neccessary to drain, the soft pat from the airport security officer was far less invasive than sticking a needle in my breast to drain.  I'm travelling again today, we'll see if it was just a one time thing.

     Windlass - they have upgraded most of the machines so that the poeple monitoring don't see the nude-like image...just an outline of a generic body with a circle in the area of concern.  Actually the body scanners never bothered me that much...I have nothing to hide am not overly sensitive about such issues.... (not that I think our aiprort security is all that effective...thats another story but i dont want to turn this thread into a discussion of airport security effectiveness) waiting in line for security -  that's what makes my blood boil.

  • VictoriaB
    VictoriaB Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2011

    Could they have left a titanium clip in to mark another area?

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited November 2011

    Interesting thread.  I ask for a pat down regardless, though at one point, they parked me in front of the machine while I was waiting and it seemed to me I was getting far more scatter radiation potentially than if I'd just walked through the darn thing.  I am fascinated the EU (always more progressive) has said "no thanks" to these machines.  Fact is, the company refused to have an outside company measure radiation output.  Once I heard that, I planned an extra 15 minutes for pat down.  It is well worth it.

    Regarding prosthesis and sleeves, etc. I found every airport is different.  Sometimes, I have felt humiliated by being asked about it in front of everyone (how is this their business?)  Other times, they don't pay any attention.  More recently, if I get through security an hour before takeoff--which I almost always do--I wait to put my sleeve on.  It really keeps the stupid questions to a minimum.

    This has been discussed at length on other threads.  As a well-seasoned traveler, I report with a high level of confidence that these "protective" measures are smoke and mirrors, and the studies show they are no more efficacious than earlier methods.  Nearly every time, I get something through that I forgot about (clippers, scissors, 3 oz containers, etc). I've never been flagged.  They frankly just don't have time to read it all that carefully.

  • ej01
    ej01 Member Posts: 155
    edited November 2011

    VictoriaB - they left a marker which should be really small...smaller than the clasp of my bra, so i dont think that was the problem.   I guess i will find out sooner or later.

  • EnglishMajor
    EnglishMajor Member Posts: 2,495
    edited November 2011

     My experience with the full body scanner:

    http://ihatebreastcancer.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/

    Have not been stopped in "regular" magetometer

  • oliviafinnegan
    oliviafinnegan Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2011

    English Major - I'm so sorry you had to endure that horrid airport security experience. What sort of society have we become that we accept that people will be humiliated in front of a captive audience such as in airport security line in the name of security?  What did that male security guard think he was dealing with, a woman whose breast was going to explode? Sometimes the level of ignorance is mind-boggling. 

  • SheChirple
    SheChirple Member Posts: 954
    edited November 2011

    I had not thought about any of this.  I fly about twice a month for work. My surgery is next week.  Hopefully no rads, but, wow, what to expect!  Ugh.

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited November 2011

    I have never had a problem going though security at the airports, but I wouldnt mind it as others have said, my safety and the safety of others is more important. Women and children, not just men have been known to try to carry things through the airport. I feel better just knowing they are doing more to prevent what happened during 911

    However, there is no reason to be treated with the harsh way some of you have been treated, they need to take a class on sensitivity and do this in private.

  • yellowdoglady
    yellowdoglady Member Posts: 349
    edited November 2011

    I got the full-on treatment: body scanner then wand and pat down.  Why?  "You don't look like your picture on your drivers license and passport.  You cut your hair."  Well, yes, I cut my hair and donated it before I started chemotherapy.  Is that a problem?  "Oh, I am sorry.  Go ahead."

    Just letting you know.  They are looking for people in disguise.  

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