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  • pam53
    pam53 Member Posts: 131
    edited October 2011

    Got cancelled for tomorrow.  No power at the radiation facility.  Storm took tons of trees down and power lines.  There goes my 11/11/11 finish.  Will go into another week, week #8 now--bummer!

  • MidnightIllustrator
    MidnightIllustrator Member Posts: 38
    edited October 2011

    I know my cancer is not the worst and I really have no right to complain, but I'm sure having my ups and downs, tonight. My husband tells me I should stay off the internet and stop thinking about it, but that's like not thinking about the sun coming up. My surgeon told me I'm in a high risk group because of my age…my age! I'm only 69!

    My zaps are going to take me through the holidays and I'm worrying about that. All my family, kids, grandkids, and brother and sister live near me. The thought of missing the celebrations is terrible, but the thought of being with the whole crowd is exhausting. I guess I just don't want to go into radiation feeling fine and come out feeling awful. I know that you're all going through the same (or worse) ups & downs, but you all seem much wiser & braver than I feel tonight!

    I'm so glad to read all of your advice on healing creams and things that help. I think I'm feeling low because of the rain and dark, windy weather. But that's what Seattle is like...it causes mood swings. Here's my chart...I'm about a 4 tonight. I'll stop sniveling and feel better tomorrow.

     

  • 5kidsMom
    5kidsMom Member Posts: 118
    edited October 2011

    klick--please don't discount what you are feeling based on "how bad" your cancer is/was.  Cancer is cancer kwim?  Who wants the "I had the worst treatment" badge of honor--really?  I'm going to plug the book I'm reading again--totally addresses wht you are feeling.  "Life after Cancer" great book :)

    I know what you mean about the holidays too.  We always go to my Moms, but thinking of going there at the tail end of my treatment does not appeal. . . . . no bra, itchy burned skin, fatigue, irritability. . . . nope, not sounding festive!  I've been trying to remember that the holidays aren't about me :)  My family wants me there, because they love me and are thankful that I get to celebrate this holiday with them. 

    Dawmson--I'm feeling the fatigue too!  Can't imagine having hubby be gone for 5 days!!  Break out that crockpot or call for delivery :)  Maybe get some movies and see if your little ones will relax with you that way.  I was told that people who are more active often do better with the fatigue. . . sigh.  I've also noticed though, that since I don't LOOK sick or ACT sick, people expect me to be fully functioning!  My friends and family are eager for me to be done with treatment and "back to normal" since I've been "in treatment" for so long.  Really important for us to remember we still have to be good to ourselves. 

    Any fun plans for Halloween tomorrow?  My 10 yr old got a hilarious pair of glasses that I want to take to rads tomorrow.  Not sure if she will give them up for me.  Tomorrow night taking all my kids to the "pumpkin bash" at church, then to the local university where they turn one dorm into "candy land".  Hope I don't fall asleep!

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    Klick, I agree you have luckily caught the cancer very early, but it is still cancer and of course you are worried.  I am not sure why your doc says you are at higher risk because of your age.  I agree 69 is not old! 

    My DD just turned 14 and is dressing up as a jelly fish.  All her friends are dressing up as sea creatures and they turned a wagon into a ship.  They are having a lot of fun with it.  She is heading over her friend's house tonight.  I told her to get me a pic of all of them.

    My DH left for a week my second week of rads for a conference.  I had a really tough time the weekend just before he got home.  Got all teary and upset.  I only have the 14 yo and 20 yo son at home.  I really feel for you with younger kids, but you'll get through it!  The nice thing is the little ones can so lift your mood with the funny things they do and say.  Be as kind to yourself and take it as easy as you can.  There is plenty of time later to cook nicer meals and such.

  • llm005
    llm005 Member Posts: 25
    edited October 2011

    Hi everyone

    klick -- 5kidsmom is right.  Cancer is cancer and how you are feeling is how you are feeling.  

    pam53 -- ditto on the bummer.  I hope they get things back up and running quickly so that you can get this over with.

    Beaglesgirl -- sorry to hear you're in the BRCA1 club.  But welcome from a fellow club member. 

    Re fatigue -- it came and went from week 2 or 3.  And continues to come and go even though I finished a bit over a week ago.  I don't know how you guys with kids DO it.  Please be extra good to yourselves.  And now that I'm "done", yes, there is the subtle expectation that I'm fine and life will go back to "normal".  

  • skl679
    skl679 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2011

    Vicks1960 - everything went great with the SAVI device. The worse part is getting the device placed - not that it was that painful or anything, but it was a very emotional day for me and the day that I really understood that I was being treated for BC. The treatments were easy and knowing that I could start healing in a week helped.  I have now been done with radiation for 2 weeks. I have a couple seromas (I hear sloshing in my breast), breast swelling and sensitivity but that is all. I will see my MO today for my oncotype results and will see my RO next week for my 4 week post rads check. I am not fully on board with Tamoxifen yet and have decided to see how the numbers work out during my MO appointment. Best of luck with your rads - hope it all goes well!

    -Sandy

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited October 2011

    I am worried that I am going to get yelled at today because not only are all my pen marks gone (except for the crosses covered with tape on the side and between my breasts) but that string or whatever that was taped to my lump scar also came off this weekend. I swear I wasn't scrubbing or taking more than one shower a day or anything. I am going to try to get there early, in case they need more time to remark me or what have you. NOT feeling Hallowe'en at all this year, just down in the dumps and like my year is pretty much over now Cry

    Dawmsom, my partner is leaving for a business trip early tomorrow morning and will be gone all week (until late on Friday night). I told her I would be fine because I am not expecting any SEs this early in the game, but of course I'm very emotional these days and everything feels harder than normal. I am echoing the other childless ladies - don't know how you guys with kids manage! It'll be all I can do to take care of our animals after work and rads. I guess you are forced to try to look happy all the time when you have kids. I only have to keep up the facade at work.

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited October 2011
    5kidsMom:  Thanks for the recommendation of Life After Cancer.  I ordered the book from Amazon.
  • MidnightIllustrator
    MidnightIllustrator Member Posts: 38
    edited October 2011
    Thanks for the encouragement and having patience with my bad mood. I feel a lot better today. I had my 3rd zap now that the machine is fixed. I spent some time with my grandkids and saw their costumes…wish I could go trick or treating! We live in a condo and don't get many kids anymore. I miss finishing up any left over Baby Ruths or Butterfingers. 

    5kidsmom—I'll also look up the book Life After Cancer, thanks.

    Sarytyr—I worried about my seroma…and what radiation does to it. My BS said that breast would probably swell. I keep waiting for them to say…Oh yes, the treatments will make your breasts perky and cute.

    Natters—I'll be thinking of you while your partner is gone. It's harder than usual these days to be alone with your thoughts. I would tell you my tricks, but I'm sure it's different for everyone.

    Sorry if I don't get everyone straight on here yet. I want us all to have more good days than bad.

  • dawmson
    dawmson Member Posts: 75
    edited October 2011

    klick - I hear ya on the gray weather here in Seattle. I went to the Seahawks game yesterday and seriously could have fallen asleep right there in the stands (then again, maybe it was the dismal game and not the gray weather, ha). I get those feelings too, when people hear that I don't need chemo they (and I) know that I'm one of the lucky ones but there are days when I definitely don't feel so lucky. 

    Thanks to everyone who helped with my questions on fatigue. So far today I feel fine - but it's only lunchtime here and I still have rads, more work and an evening of trick or treating with my kids ahead of me. Still not thrilled to have my husband leave town in the midst of all of this but I know that my friends will step in to help if I ask. My problem is getting to the asking part. 

    I'm with you all on feeling blah about the holidays this year. I finish rads the Monday after Thanksgiving. I think I'll be doing a lot less Christmas shopping this year. Gift cards and Amazon.com! 

  • abatellik
    abatellik Member Posts: 80
    edited November 2011

    Gotta love Amazon! :-) We went on a cruise this summer with my hubby's family that we have all been planning for 2 years. I was sure since it was in between chemo and my surgery that I wouldn't enjoy it very much and that all I'd be able to think about was my upcoming surgery. Boy, was I wrong!!! I had a great time, and I hope and pray you will all have wonderful holidays as well. Let's make a pledge to not let this cancer steal any more of our joy!! Anyone with me?? :-)

  • abatellik
    abatellik Member Posts: 80
    edited November 2011

    I just checked Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com and can't find "Life After Cancer". I found "Life Over Cancer" and "Life After Cancer Treatment". Any suggestions?

  • kk59jk
    kk59jk Member Posts: 13
    edited November 2011

    Absolutely.  The positive attitude helps  you to become cancer free.  Enjoy the blessing of each day.

  • marthah
    marthah Member Posts: 322
    edited November 2011

    RE: Book

    Reposting this from 5kidsmom:

    "After Breast Cancer: A Guide to Life After Treatment."

    I hopped on Amazon this afternoon and read an excerpt. Looks good! Thinking of ordering 3 copies -- one for myself, one for my MO, and one for my BS! Kiss
  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited November 2011

    Had my first zap today.  The techs are great - and they try to make it tolerable - let me play my own CDs etc.

    Then I had herceptin and a Faslodex injection in the afternoon.  Fun times.  Faslodex is a pain in the butt - literally!

    Hope everyone had a good Halloween!

  • pam53
    pam53 Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    The radiation facility which had lost power from the storm got energy back yesterday and I was able to get in.  Had to see the RO first and she halted treatment because of my skin.  She will see me again on Wed, and see if I can finish the week.  I am not too encouraged as my left boob is still RED.  I am bummed.  Got in the car and cried.  I so want this over and now I don't even know when it will end.  I was supposed to be done on 11/11/11.  10 more treatments.  Now I am hoping by Thanksgiving.

    Thanks for letting me vent. 

    Anyone have burns that is allergic to Sulfa?  They don't seem to have a good alternative to silvadene to give me.

  • marthah
    marthah Member Posts: 322
    edited November 2011

    Pam,

    I'm surprised they are giving you Silvadene. 

    I did a lot of research, and purchased a product called Miaderm. It's developed by radiation oncologists. I did not mention it my RO, but I've been curious about what they would give me. I'm #17 of 31 as of today, and am starting to get a little reddish/tannish. They gave me a product called RadiaGel. However, it has methylparbens in it, so I will likely stick with the Miaderm...I've been pretty pleased with it so far. 

    How far are you into your treatments? I'm surprised by the Silvadene because I've been told, and read, that you are not supposed to use anything with metals in it. Silvadene actually has silver in it, so if you are using that before you go in for a treatment, it may be exacerbating the burn. 

    Have they counseled you on soap and deoderant usage? Drop me a PM if you'd like to discuss further/vent more. Yell Here to help, sweetie! We'll get through this together...I promise! Is your burning moist or dry? If it's becoming moist, my RO RN said to use cornstarch. 

    :::gentle hugs::: Martha

  • marthah
    marthah Member Posts: 322
    edited November 2011

    BTW, in case you hadn't figured it out/read it yet, the skin SE we experience from our rads is called "radiation dermatitis."

    Hope that helps! Do some research on it. Now...I'm headed down to the ladies room to put on some Miaderm! I've been using it 2x/day, though not religiously. I think it's time! (It can be used 3/4 x/day, according to the label.)

  • pam53
    pam53 Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    Thanks for your reply, Marthah.  No, they have not given me silvadene.  I have seen some women had it on the message boards.  I can't use it.  Has sulfa in it which I am allergic to.

    My burn is dry.  Skin feels normal, just red.  No blisters, no peels.

    I will ask about RadiaGel and Miadern. Yes, I use their approved soap and deodorant and use the lotion, 4 times daily.  I had 24 treatments out of 34 (last 7 are boosts).  Got worse the week I had 19-24.

    Thanks for the post and hug.  I needed it.  Feeling frustrated and blue!

  • 5kidsMom
    5kidsMom Member Posts: 118
    edited November 2011

    Pam I can just imagine what it is like to have them halt treatment!  One lady at my facility had that happen, she is now on her last week.  Sad, but it makes me feel like just NOT telling them if my skin is hurting!  I was really scared they would say something, because my mx scar is opening, and there is an area about an inch long that is open.  They gave me antibiotic cream for that, hydrocortisone for the itchy spots, and the udderly smooth cream for the rest.  Praying the skin holds out!!  20 down, 18 to go!

    The book I was talking about is "After Breast Cancer: A Common-Sense Guide to Life after Treatment" by Hester Hill Schnipper.  Sorry for the confusion :)  I'm on pg 113 and still loving it.  I rarely buy books, just get from the library, but I'm thinking this one is one I'll buy!

    If I could figure it out, I'd post a pic of my kids from last night.  Maybe later :)

  • MinneJen
    MinneJen Member Posts: 6
    edited November 2011

    Hi everyone- have zap #12 today, and skin is a little pink, but not bad. Been using Aquaphor everyday, to try and keep my skin ok- RO said to start using aloe as well as he could see my skiin was starting to get irritated.

    Anyone else experiencing any swelling with treatment? After the first week, I ended up with both my ring and pinky finger completely numb. My RO thinks it may be the start of lymphedema and that the swelling is pressing on the nerve. Wahoo. Have an appt with the LE physical therapist in a week. I am trying to stay positive that it isn't LE but am also realistic that it probably is. Pretty bummed out about the prospect.

    Good luck and hugs to all of you.

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    Sue, I just had X-rays yesterday, I think. So today I get my first real "zaps," and happily start the countdown to being finished with treatment.

    I think some ROs prescribe silvadene because  there have actually been studies showing that it's effective:

    "Topical silver sulfadiazine for the prevention of acute radiation dermatitis during irradiation for breast cancer" by S. Hemati and colleagues in Support Care Cancer (2011).

    This is also a good article where they describe how there is a ton of variation in advice out there, but mostly people stick to what they have been recommending for awhile and it's not generally based on scientific evidence:

    "Management of skin toxicity during radiation therapy: a review of the evidence." by S. Kumar, E. Juresic, M. Barton & J. Shafiq  (June 2010).

    I have tried to slather on Lubriderm the past few weeks to soften up my skin, and today after my first zap I plan to start using Miaderm to keep it soft. Miaderm has calendula, aloe and some other stuff in it that has been shown to help with the SEs.

    5kidsmom, I put that book on my "to read" list because I want to be closer to finishing tx before I begin reading it. I still have at least 7 weeks to go, first. 

    Nat 

  • MostlySew
    MostlySew Member Posts: 1,418
    edited November 2011

    Pam53,

    I've been prescribed two different steroid creams and before that I found that on my skin calendula cream (amazon, by Boiron) worked wonders at keeping the inflammation down. The stronger corticosteroid has done a great job at managing to keep me in the game! They did prescribe sulfadeen but i turned out allergic to it. I also had to take a 4 day weekend two weeks ago because of the burn/blister/mess I was developing and that's when I just lost it! I was positive I wouldn't be able to get thru the last 7 treatments and was pretty much unconsolable all weekend! My poor husband has been an angel thru all this though, and here it is 2 weeks later and I've only got today and tomorrow left!



    Good luck to everyone and keep on trucking. The end really does get here! Anyone got a good place to donate all these various creams and lotions we all try in the hopes of finding the miracle cream?

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited November 2011

    MinneJen, I have lymphedema.  I think rads are what brought it on so fast, but maybe I was destined to get it any way.  My arm got really swollen though, there was no question about it.  If it started just as a little swelling in my finger, I didn't notice it then.  I am far from an expert on it, but there are some ladies on the website that are.  Post your question in the lymphedema forum, and I am positive you will get very knowledgable answers.  The women there are experts, and they are extremely caring and want to help.  You can ask me anything you want, but I don't have much knowledge or experience yet.

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited November 2011

    I do find all the different advice we receive to be sort of frustrating - you have to hope you hear the real skinny here ;)

    My RO suggested Miaderm, but it is crazy expensive - she also said try using aloe with Aveeno on top and I'm going that route, unless the burning gets so bad I want to try something else.

    Nat - congrats on getting one done - and MostlySew - whoo hoo - you are there!  Must feel great to have it over.

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited November 2011

    My onco did not consider rads and i'm wondering why.  I just called MD Anderson.

    If anyone is interested they have a website that tells you what their standard of care is.  For me, rads should be part of it.  

    lovetosail, you said it!  All of the different opinions can drive you nuts.  Several drs told me all i need is arrimidex.  One dr said I needed chemo but no rads.  I haven't been to anderson but they seem to be very aggressive.  Why don't they all agree????

  • dawmson
    dawmson Member Posts: 75
    edited November 2011

    natters, thanks for the links. I read the second study, and was most interested in the conclusion that aloe vera was shown to be "potentially harmful" when used during radiation. I hear of a lot of people using it right after treatment to ease the burn. Think I'm going to leave that aloe gel in the bathroom cupboard! I've been using Miaderm 3x/day since I started and I'm going to keep up with that, I think.

    Here's a link to the study, hope it works: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1754-9485.2010.02170.x/full

    I just finished #15 - two more treatments and I'll be halfway done! Just found out that my husband will not only be traveling for 5 days starting this Friday, but he'll also be gone for another 5 days in a couple weeks. The timing really stinks. I hope the second half goes as well as the first half has (knocking wood here...).

  • pam53
    pam53 Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    Thanks for all your comments and suggestions on creams/lotions.  I am going to see the RO tomorrow and if she still won't let me have treatment, I am not leaving until she prescribes something for me to get rid of the redness.  She has not been helpful at all with lotions.  Just gave me a list the first day but nothing since.

    Mostlysew, Thanks for sharing your experience being put on hold for 4 days.  I feel better knowing someone else took it so hard.  I felt stupid crying about it.  Even welled up when I told a colleague at work.  I was so embarrassed.

    Gonna order the Life after Cancer that the message board was talking about.  These treatments can't be on hold forever and they will eventually end.  24 down, 10 to go, 3 full, 7 boosts.

  • pam53
    pam53 Member Posts: 131
    edited November 2011

    Mostlysew,

    Can you tell me the name of the strong steroid cream they gave you?  Thanks!

  • Ceeztheday
    Ceeztheday Member Posts: 403
    edited November 2011

    Hi everyone. I finished up rads on October 20th. I celebrated by going on the Blues Cruise on the 23rd. Just returned from the trip and it was spectacular! Fantastic music, food, and fun. It was exciting, but also relaxing. I took my creams and stuff, but fortunately my burned armpit was almost healed and the itching was very minimal. The trip away was just what the doctor ordered (pun intended). I wish that you all could have been with me!



    It is such a pleasure to NOT drive two hours round trip to treatments. The relief is extraordinary. To those of you not yet finished, hang in there. Sweet times are on the way!

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