No reconstruction- Happy w/your decision?

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2011

    Kathy, your 'good' breast sounded like mine!! We saved ourselves a step by doing both at once.

    Hauntie, if you wouldn't wear a bra for a while, the area would have a chance to settle down. I feel for you, sweetie...

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited October 2011

    I was diagnosed last week with DCIS in the RB and have opted for bi-lateral MX, no reconstruction.  I have had ovarian cancer, my family has a history and I have the BRCA1...with this trifecta it seems like a no brainer! Thank you for all the information and support you have posted. It's funny, but my biggest concern right now is that initial shock of seeing myself breastless..I am not huge (38C) but the girls have been with me for a long time.  I see that many respond that they were not distressed. Did anyone have trouble with the loss at first?

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited October 2011

    Murmist,

    I just want to say hi and welcome. Given your BRCA1 status, opting for a bilateral MX seems like a very good idea. I'm sorry you've had to go through ovarian cancer diagnosis and treatment, but it's really good news that your breast cancer was caught at the DCIS stage.

    I had cancer in one breast, for which I had a lumpectomy and radiation, but when I was diagnosed three years later with a new primary in the other breast, I opted for a BMX. I was one of those who didn't feel distressed when I saw myself flat. I think part of the reason may have been that I felt such peace of mind knowing I was doing everything possible to prevent a recurrence. 

    We are all so different and some women certainly do mourn the loss of their breasts more than others. I hope your surgery goes well and that you don't find the change too traumatic.

    Barbara

    BreastFree.org

    BreastFree Blog

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited November 2011

    I agree with Erica (Barbara) that we are all different and some mourn more than others.  I too wish you only the very best with your surgery and that you are able to experience only peace with your decision and your body going forward.

    Barbara

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited November 2011

    Barbara (Starak) - - I think you should skip the generalizations and focus on what is true for you.  In was quite busty and after three years I still miss having breasts.  I know you said it was not universal, but the statement still bothers me on some level.  Perhaps because it makes me feel like my reaction is/was unusual.  
     
    Mumist, even though I miss my breasts, I was not distressed by my appearance after my surgery.  I talked with my surgeon about the result I want to achieve - a pre-pubescent chest - and knew that he listened to me.  I think that helped me with the initial shock, as I was more focused on what my chest would look like than what it did.

    I agree with Erica that a bmx sounds like a good idea for you.  I hope the surgery goes well for you.
     
  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited November 2011

    When I read the original post on this thread, I could immediately relate to Marlee1...I just want this done...with the least amount of risk...and the quickest recovery to get me back on my feet and on with my life. I will talk to my BS...I have a vision of a little child's doll chest in my head! Thank you all sooo much!  It is a comfort to find a place to go for information and support. 

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited November 2011

    Lisa-e:  I am really sorry it bothered you at all because that was certainly not my intent.

    My whole life has been the quintessential "unusual".  It is who I am at the core and it is what it is.  Some days I think life would be so much easier if I was only more usual as the world is rarely kind to those who are different. Other days I think it is almost a badge of honor to be unusual.  Please know I never expect or even desire that someone else is like me and it is never my intent to be unkind or hurtful, particularly to women who have already suffered and lost so much.

    Barbara

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited November 2011

    Barbara (Starak) I know it was not your intent to be hurtful.    I just think making generalizations is less useful than talking about your own experience and reactions, which are what I think is important to discuss.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited November 2011

    Starak,

    While I wasn't bothered by your comment, I didn't find myself agreeing with it. I had 34 B breasts, yet I didn't find it disturbing to see my chest after surgery. In fact, I've known a number of very small-breasted women who say that having been quite small made it easier to adjust to being totally flat. On the other hand, I've known other women (here and through BreastFree.org) who say they'd always been uncomfortably large and found it a relief to be flat. The longer I hear from women here and at BreastFree, the more I realize how individual this journey is. It's very hard to generalize.

    Murmist, have you looked at the Photographs section on BreastFree.org? You might find it helpful. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Murmist, I was awed when I looked down at my chest!! I had only an inch wide white bandage covering all the steristrips underneath, so the line was clean and sharp on my chest. What was once  two mounds of erotica, suddenly became a sterile white line across my chest. Because it wasn't all bloody and ugly (only where the drains were coming out) I think I accepted it quicker. It was so neat, so precise and not scary at all. I hope I described this to make sense.

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited November 2011

    I went out on breastfree.org today and it has only solidified my decision that the BMX w/o reconstruction will be the right choice for me.  The BS just called so I was able to discuss my decision with her.  Now for the insurance pre-approval and schedule the date.  I just want to get this done...

  • Hauntie
    Hauntie Member Posts: 483
    edited November 2011

    Murmist - I had my first mastectomy almost 17 years ago. I was about to turn 40. I was so upset by the loss, I actually wrote in my journal that I would have preferred to lose an arm or a leg. The morning of my surgery I stood in the shower sobbing and repeating over and over - "If you keep it, it will kill you."

    Fast forward 17 years. I made the decision this summer to have a prophylactic  mastectomy on my other breast. It wasn't an easy decision, but I hated being lopsided and the occasional scares from mammograms, lumps, pains, etc. I went back to my journal from 17 years ago and couldn't believe what I had written. I understand why I felt that way then and why I was able to let my remaining breast go with no emotional fall out now. I'm happy with my decision. Go flat every where but work.

    Good luck with your surgery. We here for you if you need us.

     Barbe - I am getting more comfortable in my bra and foobs. However, the area where the drains were is stll sore, if I press on it.  I go back to my second job next week - working at the extended day program at school 2 afternoons a week. I waited this long to go back until I could tolerate wearing a bra for that length of time.

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited November 2011

    Hauntie, thanks for the words of encouragement.  Great pumpkin carving!

  • GointoCarolina
    GointoCarolina Member Posts: 753
    edited November 2011

    I have no regret over having my original mast and my proph mast.And for a while I was fine having no breasts,I bought new bras and forms and thought this is good,even though I could not wear them for extended periods..Over the summer,that all changed..I missed wearing my cute tops,I missed my cleavage,I missed my breasts.A friend took me shopping and I tried on outfit after outfit and came home with a few that helped me feel better.But my breasts were one of my vanities.My chest is ugly and painful,I now walk leaning back.I am going to start physical therapy soon.But I am 99.9% sure I am going to have recon.I know the majority of you on this thread are happy with no recon and I wish I was.If recon was not an option,I would have to wrap my head around it and accept the new me.But it would be a long hard road and I have had enough.I am tired of being reminded every time I take a shower or change my clothes of what I have been through.I know reconstructed breasts will not be like the ones I had,but I am ready for reasonable facsimiles that are permanently attached.

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited November 2011

    Actually, Pandazankar, I share your feeling. But I'm a physical coward and cannot face the ordeal of reconstruction, so I try to just make the best of what I have (or don't have). Cancer scared me so badly that I'm hesitant to undertake anything where the risks aren't 0%. But I do understand why you want to take this step and wish you luck.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Panda, even though I have been flat for 3 years, every once in a while, I consider recon. I am just too afraid of being in pain as I already have so many health issues, I'm afraid to tip the boat!! I also love not wearing a bra, and many women with implants say they don't get cleavage anymore with recon, just two forms facing forward in their bra without being squishy soft. A more invasive surgery like DIEP is just not in my future as I have heart issues and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me be under for the 10-14 hours needed for the surgery. Then again, I'd have a scar from hip to hip as well as new scars on my breasts. ANY surgery or not even more surgery will never let you forget, while naked, what you have been through. I also don't have the 2 years necessary to go for TE's and continual tweaking-surgeries until my breasts look normal. Just not for me.

    But, like I said, I do consider it every once in a while. Just did consider it yesterday when I had a bco sister over for lunch. She is 10+ years older than me - I'm 53 - and she is wanting DIEP. I applaud her bravery at the same time I pray for her continued good health!

    At least we have options.

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited November 2011

    How appropriate this latest topic is.  I was laying in bed last night questioning if I have made the right choice about going with the BMX.  Maybe I should have just the lumpectomy with radiation or maybe just UMX?  I know in my heart that the BMX is the best choice for me, but suddenly I was overwhelmed with the finality of such a permanent choice.

    My reasons for not having recon are all the same as many of you.  I don't want extra surgeries, I don't want the risk of having implants fail, I don't want an extended recovery, I want the least amount of pain and risk that it is possible to achieve.

    I think last night and today the reality has really hit me, the cancer is back and I am so pissed off and so angry I don't know what to with myself. I know this will pass, just not right at this moment.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Murmist, the anger helps drive you at this point where you'd rather crawl under a rock and wait for morning!

  • jblcsw10
    jblcsw10 Member Posts: 174
    edited November 2011

    I appreciate this thread. I am struggling to decide what direction to go. I had a BMX w/TE's June 2010, after my 2nd round w/BC. After extended skin issues due to prior radiation, 2 months ago I had to have one of the TE's removed. I still have the TE on the other side. Consulted with a new PS who says the best option for me is a TRAM flap. My current PS is saying wait and see how things heal. Regardless, soonest PS will do anything is next May so I'm in a holding pattern. No matter what, the one TE at least has to come out. I am glad I have some time to decide. I am not real happy with the prosthetic situation but if it was both sides it would be a lot easier, plus I could just go flat. When I discuss continuing the reconstruction route, some friends and family members are quite vocal "why in the world would you put yourself through that"...etc. I can't really explain it except to say there is no perfect solution and everyone has to decide for themselves what is best. I am 57 but live in Florida so like to swim, wear light clothing, etc. I've had trouble finding clothes that work with the mastectomy bras (will be easier now that weather is cooling off). Anyways, not looking for advice, just sharing my perspective and again thanks for sharing here as it helps to read what others have experienced.

  • MT1
    MT1 Member Posts: 371
    edited November 2011

    I had a double mastectomy without reconstruction in June of this year. When I was making the decision, I sat in the doctors office, not liking anything that I was hearing. I don't feel I need to have internal prothesis, I have not bought external ones, I am fine without breasts. I don't want additional scars on my body, I don't want to gain enough weight to be able to use my own body fat. I think reconstructive surgery is optional and I opted out. 

    I miss my breasts, I miss washing them and holding them, the heft of them. I miss filling out my clothing but I would not have it any other way. My body is not a testing ground for the latest silicone/saline implant. I am no less female than I was 7 months ago. I even feel stronger as a person, as though both my mind and my body are in sync. I am not telling my body that it needs to look any other way than it is. I am OK with this. I can't imagine this would be the right choice for every woman but it sure is right for me.

    I am so happy to find this thread. To find other women who have made similar choices, for their own reasons.

  • Rowan47
    Rowan47 Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2011

    Hi MellyT, I love your post. It reflects my opinion EXACTLY.  I am 47 and had double mastectomy in August. I, too, feel very strong and comfortable in my body. My husband still adores me, and is thrilled to have his confident attractive wife back :)

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited November 2011

    I love your post mellyT too... you have expressed so much of what I am feeling. I don't want more surgery, this was hard enough...and I don't want breasts right now because I feel my old ones failed me and scared me and terrified me...so no breasts.

    There are beautiful scarves/shawls available, I am excited to heal and get back to my life. Confidence is sexy and I am finally confident there is no more cancer. So I need to heal from the surgery, 2 weeks ago, get strong and find my path again.

  • sgreenarch
    sgreenarch Member Posts: 528
    edited November 2011

    Hi, so interesting to read your posts. No matter where you are on this issue, your words are comforting and familiar. I feel as if i am sitting in a circle of friends, discussing a painful issue only we can understand.

    I have been all over the place on this. I didnt do immediate reconstruction after my unimx as i felt i needed to deal with cancer only at first. Couldnt imagine clouding my head with aesthetic decisions when survival seemed to be at stake. Once i got through dx and settled on a treatmt plan i began to deal with life minus one breast. Being assymetrical presents its own difficulties such as the inability to go flat (i look quite strange-very obviously one- breasted.) but i bought good swimming and everyday foobs and bras and when dressed i can forget about it for a while. Without recon there are so many small difficulties you have to consider, such as avoiding children in locker rooms so as not to freak them out, wearing high enough cut clothing, making sure my foob doesnt wander, dealing with stupid medical techs, or airport security, etc. I figured i would get to recon but when i started to investigate i realized that i dont want to have implants and i am not a flap candidate. That leaves the new fat grafting method (BRAVA) which is the least invasive and most natural but it takes the longest and I want to be very sure it is safe first, as it is so new.



    I just had my third surgery in three yrs (oopherectomy) and i am just tired.even though i never thought i would still be unreconstructed, I am not unhappy that i am not rushing. Ironically, my DH happens to be a PS (something about shoemaker's children going shoeless...) but he loves me with em or without and is not pushing me in any direction. I miss my breast terribly and do hate that dealing with the lack of it is a daily reminder of BC. On the other hand, the other day i had a moment of clarity and decided to try to love the new me, in whatever state i might find myself. For me this is huge.



    Thanks for listening, sgreenarch.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    I learned to honour my new look. It's the shield I present to the world each day. It does help to not get too many stupid "it's all over" comments as it's obvious that I still have no breasts! I do miss them, but I do miss other things I no longer have in my life as well.

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited November 2011

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for all the posts! My surgery,BMX is scheduled for Dec 2.  After meeting with the PS, I am more sure of the decision not to reconstruct.

  • MT1
    MT1 Member Posts: 371
    edited November 2011

    It is so good to come here and see that othr women feel similarily to me. 

    I am not going to wear modest clothing, I am not going to cover up. I am going to dress as I want to, sometimes sexy and scoop neck, sometimes modest and tame. I want to be a feminine as I feel in the moment. This is about me. There is cancer in the world, I, unfortunately had a change of my physical appearance because of it. I will not cover up my beautiful body or hide the fact that I have no breasts. I won't be walking around topless either, but I will be just who I am and happily so because I am still alive.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    Melly, I knew I was doing great when I wore a beautiful TIGHT top to work last year!! Woo hoo!!! For some dumb reason, I feel sexier without breasts. I've had them since I was a 38D at 13 years old!!! I had them when no one else had them. Now I don't have them when everyone else has caught up. I wonder if evoloution will get rid of breasts in a million years or so. They're just too dangerous!

  • mpeaches
    mpeaches Member Posts: 155
    edited November 2011

    This is a very personal decision, and obviously, not one to be made lightly.  I had a mastectomy in January of this year, and decided to not do reconstruction.  I'm 49, and have truly enjoyed my breasts (4 years of Burning Man and 2 years of Mardi Gras), but I didn't want the additional surgeries.  My husband is quite possibly one of the most supportive partners on the planet, and was fine with either decision.

    I have never been bothered by the look of my now gone boob, and only once felt a bit wistful after I gave away some clothing that I could no longer wear.

    I will say it has not affected how I view myself as a woman, nor has it affected how I feel as a sexual being.

    I would also support my 'sister's' in any decisions they made.

    One boobed Purrs,

    Jenn

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited November 2011

    I work with quite a few bc survivors who all had recon.  I believe that most of them are happy with their decisions.  I had a umx without recon and I am very happy with my decision.  If anything, I think I appreciate my body more for all of its uniqueness and strength.  In an odd way, the missing breast accentuates the femininity of my body.  I can now see what is so feminine about my body other than breasts...the curves and the softness.

    I miss my breast.  It is sad that I had to have it cut off.  But, for me, a reconstructed breast could not have replaced the missing breast.  It would have been a constant reminder of what I no longer had.  It is odd, because one of the bc survivors at work said that if I didn't have the recon, the missing breast would be a constant reminder...but for me, it is just the opposite. 

    Our sex life has not been affected much  by the loss of the breast, though I am not sure I would still say that if I'd had a bmx.  Instead of being a bad thing as relates to sex, it is simply a new thing.

    The initial decision was relatively straightforward for me.  I am horrified at the idea of any foreign matter in my body, I wanted no extra incisions or surgeries.  My first priority was to be able to return to strength and health quickly, to return to exercise and maintaining those curves and strength that are so important to my body image.

    However, I think it is really important to realize that we all have different priorities.  I would guess that for many, if not most, women, breasts are the top of the list in creating positive body image.  It just wasn't that important for me.

    I also think it is really important for all of us to remember to support all paths that others choose in this.  Many well-meaning bc survivors that I knew really felt that I was wrong to choose to not reconstruct.  I felt that they discounted my feelings and were somewhat insensitive to the fact that I know myself well and could legitimately, reasonably forgo recon.

    This is so personal.  It is so important, I think, to find your own voice in this process and listen to that voice and no one else's...

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2011

    I get confused, when, on a thread like this, that we get posts that say "everyone has their own decision to make...blah, blah, blah." Um. Yep. We know that!!!! That's not what this thread is for. It's for posting YOUR experience. So please don't feel like everytime you post you have to say "This is what I did but I know everyone else's journey is different..." We KNOW that!!

    CLC I don't feel, (perhaps it's my older age of 53), that "breasts are the top of the list in creating positive body image" at all!! I'm very surprised at your comment, to be honest. All during my 53 years, I was more concerned with say, weight or hair rather than breasts. Interesting comment to read on a forum like this....just my take. Mileage may vary!

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