Ny Times article slamming mammography screening
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gardengumby - I totally agree with you about Dr. Welch --- totally absord and I doubt he would treat his family member that way. A routine mammogram found my very deep IDC not felt on PE and like you it already spread to my nodes. I regret not catching it sooner with my hx of moderate dense fibrocystic breasts and previous large fibroadenoma removed. No other screening options were offered and I did not know that breast density was an issue. My aunt died of breast cancer and mother had early stage breast cancer while I was the youngest dx at age 49. Strong family hx of other cancers too. I am so tired of fighting with Drs to get an MRI or US on alternating years. Now I will ask my PCP for a US script at next mammogram to determine exactly what is in my breasts regarding calcifications, density status, etc because right now it is a big secret. I feel I am entitled to this information. Until they can come up with better screening options the mammogram is the best we have but we must be aware it is not perfect. No I don't believe it is a government plot - - but money and funding is certainly behind alot of medical advances.
voraciousreader - Ditto the 6th thought too!!! All the more reason for us to speak out and be the squeaky wheel until they give us something better.........
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I know that mammograms don't work for everyone but I still believe they are worthwhile if they are helping some women find their BC earlier and possibly avoid more extensive treatment. As an example: I have no family history or other risk factors and my highly aggressive, grade 3/Her2+ tumor, node negative, was found on my mammogram at age 41. Meanwhile, my SIL who lives in the UK and also has no family history was not scheduled for her first mammo until age 50 as the standard of care. She found a lump at age 48 and was diagnosed with Triple Neg BC that had already progressed into her lymph nodes. Using the two of us as an example, I often wonder as I read this debate 1) could a mammo have caught my SIL's BC earlier and reduced her necessary treatment and improved her prognosis 2) knowing that we are both in high risk categories (i.e. higher recurrence rates for Triple Neg and Triple Pos), did the mammo in my case really make a difference? or am I really just fooling myself i.e. did I really just become a BC patient earlier than I would have anyway? Well, only time will tell but I'd like to think that the mammo made a huge difference and allowed me a chance at a much better prognosis.
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Dragonfly1. According to the data... Improvements in treatments should give both of you a shot at a very long life. Part of the study said that back in the 70's and 80's because there were less treatments, screening and earliest diagnosis was paramount. Thankfully, we have more treatments now and that's why they believe women are living longer. This does not negate the need for a cure.
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I think whatever gives an early Dx (finding B/C in it's earlier stages) is an enormous benefit. Through surgery and/or treatments, a woman then has a chance to not advance further.
Even in cases like pitanga mentions in the OP, earlier is still better on aggressive or later stage cancers too. Who would not want to find the B/C sooner, when it was "just" in nodes or bones and begin treatment, rather than later when it got to liver or brain. The chances for living in remission are better.
No one is saying mammos don't have value, it's just that the medical community is now taking another look and saying they don't have as much value as previously thought. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it will light a fire under some research for better detection methods.
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Good points, Elimar.
But in the urge to rethink the value of mammography screening, lets not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
This business about supposed "over-treatment" of early stage cancer is a very tricky one. IMHO.
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How do you mean "throw out the baby with the bathwater?"
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Here is the NY Times editorial regarding the controversy:
More Questions About Mammograms
Two years ago, a group of outside experts who advise the federal government raised a furor when it suggested that mammography screening to detect breast cancer early, when it is theoretically most treatable, should be scaled back. Now a new analysis published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, a journal of the American Medical Association, has found that while some women have their lives saved by mammograms, a vast majority found to have tumors do not benefit - probably because they have slow-growing cancers that would never have killed them or could have been treated at a later stage, or they have aggressive cancers that are deadly even if detected early.
The analysis, by two researchers at Dartmouth, used a variety of data sources to estimate the probability that a woman with breast cancer detected by mammography would have her life saved because of the screening. For the baseline case of a 50-year-old woman, only 3 percent to 13 percent escaped death from breast cancer thanks to early detection by mammography. As described by Tara Parker-Pope in Science Times, that translates into 4,000 to 18,000 women being helped by the test, a small portion of the 230,000 women diagnosed with invasive breast cancer annually in the U.S. and a minuscule fraction of the 39 million American women who undergo mammograms each year.
Several thousand lives saved per year is not inconsequential. But the new analysis inevitably raises questions as to whether the $5 billion spent annually on mammography screening and the millions more spent urging women to get screened might better be used for other purposes. Women will face a difficult choice. Fewer than 1 in 1,000 healthy women screened over a decade will have a cancer found at just the right moment for successful treatment. The rest will undergo a decade's worth of radiation for no medical benefit or, worse yet, undergo unnecessary treatments that can be harmful to eliminate tumors that would never have killed them.
Off topic a bit....but recalling the Autism controversy where Dr. Wakefield's data was discredited:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
it took the medical establishment many years to come to it's conclusion! I am not saying here that what we have here is on that level. What I will say is that, sadly in the journey to research treatments and the prevention of Autism, time and money was lost because of this one study.
With THIS controversy regarding screening mammograms, no doubt, many fine people, doing EXCELLENT research need to come to some consensus so that TIME and MONEY will not be lost in finding treatments, prevention and a cure. With the cacophony of different opinions, the clock is ticking louder and louder with each life lost.... We all deserve a better answer. Thank goodness Breast Cancer Awareness month is almost over.....
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I mean that given that mammography is at this point the best tool available, despite its flaws, we should not stop using it until something better is in place.
And that given that a few women who, with mammography screening, present as DCIS with no nodes but even with treatment eventually get metastatic disease, it should not be assumed that treating a "stage 0" woman is necessarily "overtreatment", until there are tools that can accurately predict who will progress and who will not.
Otherwise not treating the cancer is playing Russian roulette.
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Pitanga...I don't think we have any disagreements with regard to mammograms being a valuable tool, nor do we disagree that for our younger sisters, we need an even better tool AND we need a cure for EVERYBODY. However, what the younger sisters need to know is that THERE IS A CONTROVERSY over how effective SCREENING mammograms are for them and that they need to be VIGILANT in getting the BEST possible care. The bottom line is that until THIS controversy is settled, the status quo is potentially not helping us find a better way of screening. There are very hungry researchers and inventors out there that are scraping by that need an infusion of money to fund the next great discovery that may one day lead to a cure. Again, the British get it and are willing to examine the controversy and I applaud them.
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Yet as Dragonfly pointed out, British women do not get routinely screened by mammogram until age 50. Is that a plus or a minus?
Maybe where you and I differ is in the definition of "overdiagnosis" and "overtreatment". If I were not stage 4, I might be more cavalier. In fact, before my stage 4 diagnosis, I used to put up a fuss whenever my onc wanted me to get bone scans...it was a hassle, took up the whole day, I didnt like the contrast injection, etc.
Now, I am the first to remind him when the next scan dates are coming up. Even though bone scans do not differentiate between arthritic problems and metastases, I prefer to err on the side of caution and see what warrants being checked out by MRI. Not to wait until I am in pain and mybones have already suffered irreversible damage from the tumors.
Editing to add--statistically, my chances of recurrence after treatment for my stage 2 disease were less than 15%
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Pitanga...I do not disagree with you. All I am referring to is that more women need to be educated that there is a controversy. A very REAL controversy and all of our lives depend on this controversy being settled once and for all. And to answer your question regarding European women being recommended for SCREENING mammograms beginning at 50 (BTW..and then every 2 to 3 years)...that is NOT part of the controversy! Dr. Welch's data suggests that for women between the ages of 50 and 69, SCREENING mammograms are the MOST effective.
Please try to get his book. He gives a very long explanation of what "over treatment" and "over diagnosis" are. It isn't as simple as you think and cannot be explained in a sentence. I think that is why the British are commencing the task force. To fully understand the data once and for all.
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pitanga, I don't think I ever mentioned anything about stopping the use of mammograms. The new info. was saying that 3-13% were helped by mammo detection. Well, 13% of 200,000+ is quite successful (especially if you fell into that group!) but I think we can all agree that there is room for improvement to attain a higher percentage.
Here's another consideration. I must have had about 10 mammos before my Dx. They were only analog when I started out, and I was told at some point my breasts were dense. My lump was palpable, yet never showed on mammo. (US and MRI was able to image it.) Looking back, I do wonder if I needlessly exposed my breast to 10 mammo radiations? If I had gone every other year, it would not have made a difference in my case.
One earlier mammo detected a benign lump, which was suspicious enough to get surgically removed, but if it had stayed in place it would not have caused trouble. I don't call that overtreatment because although, in retrospect, I did not need to have it removed, there was no way to know that it was not B/C at the time. (Better safe than sorry.) Still, wouldn't it be great if we had non-invasive technology (imaging or bloodwork, etc.) that could determine B/C from B9? That is why I would like to see us get something better than our current imaging tools.
When mammo gets touted as being so great, many think we don't need much else. With a more realistic view of mammo (that it misses quite a bit, or does not make a difference for a certain percentage) there should be more of an impetus to improve our methods. Methods that will either augment the effectiveness of mammo or surpass it.
You wrote: "a few women who, with mammography screening, present as DCIS with no nodes but even with treatment eventually get metastatic disease, it should not be assumed that treating a "stage 0" woman is necessarily "overtreatment", until there are tools that can accurately predict who will progress and who will not."
I agree with your statement. Look at radiation, given to all* lumpectomies, when only a conservative 40% might need it. But which 40%, right? So, 60% could be considered to be "overtreated" but unwilling to play the "Russian Roulette" as you say. This kind of "overtreatment" is more like treatment "just in case."
(*All, just meaning it is a standard practice. There are some exceptions, of course.)
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Elimar, I did not mean to imply that YOU were suggesting to stop the use of mammograms. I was referring to the national commission that stated that the protocol on routine mammogram screening should be pushed forward to age 50. I agree with you 100% about the need to develop screening techniques that are more effective than mammography. Mammography itself is much more sensitive now with digital technology.
Voracious, I am not trying to simplify what is obviouly a complex discussion, and I am not sure why you got that impression. I am just trying to say that at the individual level for a disease like BC, statistics dont mean much. When it is a less serious condition--say red/green color blindness, yeah, why spend lots of money on screening? It cant be treated and wont kill you either way. But breast cancer is different. The chances of getting it may be infinitesimally small, and to the women who never get it, they can think of all those mammograms as unnecessary. But to those whose disease was detected, it enabled them to seek treatment while treatment is still a possibility.
Twice in a row I was a loser in the statistics game. My chances of getting BC before age 40 were less than 1 in 1000. My chances of a recurrence, less than 15%.
Russian roulette.
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Mammos have been around since the 70's (correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think so). Billions of dollars in funding has been received since then. It's time for something better - something more accurate.
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pitanga, o.k., I thought we were thinking along the same lines. Now that you mention it, all SCREENING is "just in case," with perhaps a little more vigilance among the high risk patients. The fact that so many slip thru' the cracks on mammo means we need:
BETTER, CHEAPER, and NON-AGE LIMITED screening methods.
It's not like the under-40's never get B/C, and some with few or no risk factors. In dealing with the unknown randomness of B/C, how can we really leave any group out? (I know this is where the sticky cost part comes in.)
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Pitanga... All evidence based medicine relies on statistics. We came out of the Dark Ages thanks to the Scientific Revolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method
I agree with you, no one CARES about statistics when some one tells you your chances of getting something is 1 in 100 and you get it. As far as you are concerned if you are the 1 then it is an epidemic.
However, statistics cannot be dismissed. I was listening to Larry Norton, MD on the radio and he was discussing the epidemic of women who were NOT at high risk, choosing double mastectomy. He said it was a "social phenomenon" and wanted to understand why it was occurring when the statistics did not suggest the necessity. The delivery of medical care is derived from statistics. Doctors and researchers MUST publish their data and there needs to be a healthy discussion about what works and what doesn't. It can't happen if we pick and choose. There needs to be consensus.
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From the National Cancer Institute, here's the controversy in a nutshell:
Harms of Screening
Additional Interventions
False Sense of Security
Radiation Exposure
Anxiety
OverdiagnosisMammography screening may be effective in reducing breast cancer mortality in certain populations. As with any medical intervention, it has limitations, which can pose potential harm to women who participate. These limitations are best described as false-negatives (related to the sensitivity of the test), false-positives (related to the specificity), overdiagnosis (true positives that will not become clinically significant), and radiation risk.
The specificity of mammography (refer to the Mammography section of this summary for more information) affects the number of "unnecessary" interventions due to false-positive results. Even though breast cancer is the most common noncutaneous cancer in women, only a very small fraction (0.1%-0.5%, depending on age) actually have the disease when they are screened. Therefore, even though the specificity of mammography is approximately 90%, most abnormal tests are false-positives.[1] Women with abnormal screening test results have additional procedures performed to determine whether the mammographic finding is cancer. These procedures include additional mammographic imaging (e.g., magnification of the area of concern), ultrasound, and tissue sampling (by fine-needle aspiration, core biopsy, or excisional biopsy). A study of breast cancer screening in 2,400 women enrolled in a health maintenance organization found that over a 10-year period, 88 cancers were diagnosed, 58 of which were identified on mammography. During that period, one-third of the women had an abnormal mammogram result that required additional testing, including 539 additional mammograms, 186 ultrasound examinations, and 188 biopsies. The actuarial cumulative biopsy rate (the rate of true positives) due to mammographic findings was approximately 1 in 4 (23.6%). The positive predictive value (PPV) of an abnormal screening mammogram in this population was 6.3% for women aged 40 to 49 years, 6.6% for women aged 50 to 59 years, and 7.8% for women aged 60 to 69 years.[2] A subsequent analysis and modeling of data from the same cohort of women, all of whom were continuously enrolled in the Harvard Pilgrim Health Care plan from July 1983 through June 1995, estimated that the risk of having at least one false-positive mammogram was 7.4% (95% confidence interval [CI], 6.4%-8.5%) at the first mammogram, 26.0% (95% CI, 24.0%-28.2%) by the fifth mammogram, and 43.1% (95% CI, 36.6%-53.6%) by the ninth mammogram.[3] Cumulative risk of at least one false-positive by the ninth mammogram varied from 5% to 100%, depending on four patient variables and three radiologic variables. Patient variables independently associated with increased chance of a false-positive result included younger age, higher number of previous breast biopsies, family history of breast cancer, and current estrogen use. Radiologic variables included longer time between screenings, failure to compare the current and previous mammograms, and the individual radiologist's tendency to interpret mammograms as abnormal, which ranged from 2.6% to 24.4% across 93 radiologists in the study. Overall, the largest risk factor for having a false-positive mammogram was the individual radiologist's tendency to read mammograms as abnormal. The authors noted that CIs for estimates of false-positives beyond five mammograms were wide because of the relatively small numbers of women in the analysis with more than five mammograms.
By reviewing Medicare claims following mammographic screening in 23,172 women older than 65 years, one study [4] found that 85 per 1,000 had follow-up testing and 23 per 1,000 had biopsies. The cancer detection rate was 7 per 1,000, so the PPV for an abnormal mammogram was 8%. For women older than 70 years, the PPV was 14%. An audit of mammograms done in 1998 at a single institution revealed that 14.7% of examinations resulted in a recommendation for additional testing (Breast Imaging Reporting and Data System category 0), 1.8% resulted in a recommendation for biopsy (categories 4 and 5), and 5.7% resulted in a recommendation for short-term interval mammography (category 3). Cancer was diagnosed in 1 out of 30 of the cases referred for additional testing.[5]
The sensitivity of mammography (refer to the Mammography section of this summary for more information) ranges from 70% to 90%, depending on a woman's age and the density of her breasts, which is affected by her genetic predisposition, hormone status, and diet. Assuming an average sensitivity of 80%, mammograms will miss approximately 20% of the breast cancers that are present at the time of screening (false-negatives). If a woman does not seek medical attention for a breast symptom or if her physician is reluctant to evaluate that symptom because she has a "normal" mammogram, she may suffer adverse consequences. Whereas the medical community has been carefully educated that a negative diagnostic mammogram should not deter work-up of a palpable lump, the medical and lay communities should be made aware that a negative screening mammogram misses one in five cancers.
Because radiation exposure is a known risk factor for the development of breast cancer, it is ironic that ionizing radiation is our best screening tool. The major predictors of risk are young age at the time of radiation exposure and the radiation dose. For women older than 40 years, the benefits of annual mammograms may outweigh any potential risk of radiation exposure due to mammography.[6] It is speculated that certain subpopulations of women may have an inherited susceptibility to ionizing radiation damage,[7,8] but mammography has never been shown to be harmful in these, or any, subgroups. In the United States, the mean glandular dose for screening mammography is 1 mGy to 2 mGy (100-200 mrad) per view or 2 mGy to 4 mGy (200-400 mrad) per standard two-view exam.[9,10]
Because large numbers of women have false-positive tests, the issue of psychological distress-which may be provoked by the additional testing-has been studied. A telephone survey of 308 women performed 3 months after screening mammography revealed that about one-fourth of the 68 women with a "suspicious" result were still experiencing worry that affected their mood or functioning, even though subsequent testing had ruled out a cancer diagnosis.[11] Several studies,[12-14] however, show that the anxiety following evaluation of a false-positive test leads to increased participation in future screening examinations.[15]
Overdiagnosed disease is a neoplasm that would never become clinically apparent prior to a patient's death without screening. An example is a tumor that is found by mammographic screening that would never be evident otherwise.
Autopsy studies have found tumors in people who died of causes unrelated to the tumors. The studies indicate that lesions exist that fulfill the histologic criteria of cancer but that were not clinically apparent in the woman's lifetime. An overview of seven autopsy studies documents a median prevalence of 1.3% for undiagnosed invasive breast cancer (range, 0%-1.8%) and 8.9% for undiagnosed ductal carcinoma in situ (range, 0%-14.7%).[16,17] Finding such cancers by mammography would be overdiagnosis. Because cancers that will progress cannot be distinguished with certainty from those that will not, these tumors are often treated (with surgery and possibly with radiation, chemotherapy, and hormonal therapy). This treatment would constitute overtreatment because it would not confer a benefit to the woman.
It is difficult to determine the proportion of screen-detected cancers that are overdiagnosed. A widely accepted estimation method is to compare breast cancer incidence over time in a screened population with that of an unscreened population. Randomized screening trials are the most credible, but the period of screening versus control is limited in all the trials. If a woman complies with not being screened during the study period but gets screened afterwards, then a breast cancer that would have been found had the woman been assigned to screening would likely be found shortly thereafter. (Most of the women in the control group in the Swedish trials were assigned to receive a control mammogram at the end of the study period.) Such delayed screening will also find overdiagnosed cancers; the cumulative incidence of cancers will be similar in the two groups, irrespective of the magnitude of overdiagnosis.
Population-based studies suffer from the same problem as randomized trials, although to a lesser extent. However, the population-based studies have their own problems. Unbiased estimates would only be possible if the screened and nonscreened populations were the same except for screening, but the populations may differ in time, in geography, in culture, and by the use of postmenopausal hormone therapy. In addition, investigators differ in their assessments of overdiagnosis regarding how and whether to adjust for characteristics such as lead-time bias.[18,19] As a consequence, the magnitude of overdiagnosis due to mammographic screening is controversial, with estimates ranging from 7% to 50%.[18-21]
Several observational population-based comparisons consider breast cancer incidence before and after adoption of screening.[22-26] If there were no overdiagnosis-and other aspects of screening were unchanged-there would be a rise in incidence followed by a decrease to below the prescreening level, and the cumulative incidence would be similar. Such results have not been observed. Breast cancer incidence rates increase at the initiation of screening without a compensatory drop in later years. For example, in Sweden, the age-specific incidence rates doubled between 1986 and 2002 for all age groups participating in screening.[22] Another study in 11 rural Swedish counties showed a persistent increase in breast cancer incidence following the advent of screening.[23] A population-based study from Norway and Sweden showed increases in invasive breast cancer incidence of 54% in Norway and 45% in Sweden in women aged 50 to 69 years, following the introduction of nationwide screening programs. No corresponding decline in incidence in women older than age 69 years was ever seen.[27] Similar findings suggestive of overdiagnosis have been reported from the United Kingdom [24] and the United States.[25,26]
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Yet again, no suggestions for something that works better.
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No argument from me there. But women need to arm themselves with this information so they can make an informed decision with whatever information is out there. I think once we have a civilized discussion in the medical community about what is NOT working...then we can move on to the next step sooner rather than later...
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ok then, we see eye to eye after all!
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One other thing...speaking of statistics....I was once pregnant with twins. Unfortunately, one was in the uterus and the other was in one of my tubes. It was a disaster that nearly cost me my life. The doctor told me that the incidence of that occurring was one in 40,000. He said of 5 or 10 doctors, one might see that occur in their professional life. And yet, that happened to me! When my husband was diagnosed with his rare metabolic muscular dystrophy, fewer than 500 people in the WORLD were diagnosed with it. When I was told I had a rare breast cancer and that there were several thousand women diagnosed with it each year, I laughed...to me that was A LOT of people. Statistics blow when you are on the losing side....I hear ya. I wish you well...and all of our sisters, as well.
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These ersearch articles regarding mammography have been circulating for years now and still there has been little progress to move forward with a better screening technology. The Breast Thermography is looking very interesting as another modality to complement (NOT replace) mammography,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS3VIyltJQ
http://www.breastthermography.com/breast_thermography_mf.htm
http://www.creationsmagazine.com/articles/C113/Dekel.html
http://www.healingwell.com/library/breastcancer/article.asp?author=cockburn&id=1
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voracious - in regards to the high numbers of women choosing to get a BX when it is not "necessary". Of course, necessary is in the eye of the beholder, but I personally changed doctors because of the pressure my 1st surgeon was putting on me to have a BX. So based only upon my own experience, I would bet that a certain number of women choosing the BX route is due to the scare tactics of some of the doctors in the field.
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Gardengumby... I guess Dr. Norton should do a study and defitively find the reason. I remember reading that in certain parts of the US, with all things being equal, geographics plays a major role in women deciding mastectomy over lumpectomy and visa versa. You might be on to something... That at certain centers, a BMX may be favored despite what the statistics say.
Cp418... A caller also asked Dr. Norton about thermography and he said it has been studied and has drawbacks...I was waiting for him to say what else there was being studied for screening... But then he went on to say how important annual screening mammography was. That's when I decided to turn off my engine and get out of my car. I had been sitting in the car listening to him for ten minutes and I was so annoyed with what he was saying. Many of us knew how controversial screening had become... And this interview was before the release of the latest study... He was invited on Joan Hamberg's show to discuss Ms. Rancic.... -
You can google Joan hamburg Larry Norton and listen to the podcast from October 20th. See what you think.
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NEW YORK TIMES OCTOBER 30:
Considering When It Might Be Best Not to Know About Cancer
By GINA KOLATA
After decades in which cancer screening was promoted as an unmitigated good, as the best - perhaps only - way for people to protect themselves from the ravages of a frightening disease, a pronounced shift is under way.
Now expert groups are proposing less screening for prostate, breast and cervical cancer and have emphasized that screening comes with harms as well as benefits.
Two years ago, the influential United States Preventive Services Task Force, which evaluates evidence and publishes screening guidelines, said that women in their 40s do not appear to benefit from mammograms and that women ages 50 to 74 should consider having them every two years instead of every year.
This year the group said the widely used P.S.A. screening test for prostate cancer does not save lives and causes enormous harm. It also concluded that most women should have Pap tests for cervical cancer every three years instead of every year.
What changed?
The answer, for the most part, is that more information became available. New clinical trials were completed, as were analyses of other sorts of medical data. Researchers studied the risks and costs of screening more rigorously than ever before.
Two recent clinical trials of prostate cancer screening cast doubt on whether many lives - or any - are saved. And it said that screening often leads to what can be disabling treatments for men whose cancer otherwise would never have harmed them.
A new analysis of mammography concluded that while mammograms find cancer in 138,000 women each year, as many as 120,000 to 134,000 of those women either have cancers that are already lethal or have cancers that grow so slowly they do not need to be treated.
Cancer experts say they cannot ignore a snowballing body of evidence over the past 10 years showing over and over that while early detection through widespread screening can help in some cases, those cases are small in number for most cancers. At the same time, the studies are more clearly defining screening's harms.
"Screening is always a double-edged sword," said Dr. Otis Brawley, the chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society. "We need to be more cautious in our advocacy of these screening tests."
But these concepts are difficult for many to swallow. Specialists like urologists, radiologists and oncologists, who see patients who are sick and dying from cancer, often resist the idea of doing less screening. General practitioners, who may agree with the new guidelines, worry about getting involved in long conversations with patients trying to explain why they might reconsider having a mammogram every year or a P.S.A. test at all.
Some doctors fear lawsuits if they do not screen and a patient develops a fatal cancer. Patients often say they will take their chances with screening's harms if a test can save their lives.
And comments like Dr. Brawley's give rise to other questions as well. Is all this happening now because of worries over costs? And in any case, is all this simply an academic argument, since most doctors, faced with real patients, still suggest frequent screening and their patients agree?
The answer, cancer experts say, is, to a certain extent, all of the above. But, they say, there does seem to be a change in the air. Researchers used to be afraid to even broach the subject of screening's harms.
"It was the third rail," said Dr. H. Gilbert Welch of Dartmouth Medical School. "We were afraid to say exactly what we thought for fear of seeming too crazy." It was easy to get financing to study the benefits of screening, he added, but a study that looked at harms was "too far out of the culture."
Not now, he said.
And with that change has come a new look at screening.
"No longer is it just, Can you find the cancer?" Dr. Brawley said. "Now it is, Can you find the cancer, and does finding the cancer lead to a decrease in the mortality rate?"
Then there is the new emphasis on cost.
The current issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, for example, has an article by two prostate cancer specialists who note that one recent study concludes that $5.2 million must be spent on screening to prevent one prostate cancer death. And, add the authors, Dr. Allan S. Brett of the University of South Carolina School of Medicine and Richard J. Ablin of the University of Arizona, that figure is not inclusive. The true cost is undoubtedly even greater.
"We believe that the current P.S.A.-based screening paradigm does not compare favorably with competing health care priorities," they wrote.
The cost of screening, said Dr. Russell P. Harris, a screening researcher at the University of North Carolina, "is one of the factors that is pushing toward a tipping point."
But, medical experts note, many people, including doctors, are confused by the changing message, which is understandable.
"You don't turn decades of thought around immediately," said Dr. Timothy J. Wilt, a task force member from the University of Minnesota.
In part, doctors and patients are stuck in a sort of cancer time warp. The disease was defined in 1845 by a German doctor, Rudolf Virchow, who looked at tumors taken at autopsy and said cancer is an uncontrolled growth that spreads and kills. But, of course, he was looking only at cancers that killed. He never saw the others.
"Now we are backing away from that," Dr. Brawley said. In recent years, researchers have found that many, if not most, cancers are indolent. They grow very slowly or stop growing altogether. Some even regress and do not need to be treated - they are harmless.
"We are going from an 1845 definition of cancer to a 21st-century definition of cancer," Dr. Brawley said.
Dr. Brawley, too, noticed that more people are starting to understand the limitations of screening, and its risks.
Change, though, has been slow in the face of intense promotion of screening by medical practices, hospitals and advocacy groups and years of misunderstandings about screening's benefits and risks.
"You've got all this positive stuff" about screening, Dr. Brawley said. "And you have been taught since you were on your mother's knee that the way to deal with cancer is to find it early and to cut it out."
Yet he is optimistic.
"I think people are actually starting to understand that we need to be a little more rigorous in what we accept about screening," Dr. Brawley said. "I do sense there is some movement there."
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Voracious, the yearstick they are using in this article is mortality from the disease, NOT number of years of survival after diagnosis. Their logic is that if you weigh mortality from the disease to the cost of screening, it is not worth it.
They do not mention women whose life was prolonged by treatment. That to me is a major flaw in their thinking. Selfish me.
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Pitanga...When doctors design clinical trials they have to come up with "endpoints." When studying cancer, the "endpoint" is usually mortality. (With lets say hip replacement the "endpoint" might be something like "10 year mobility.") When you get into the question of prolonging life...that is a gray area that is difficult to measure. Hypothetically speaking...Did you actually prolong someone's life with treatment or just make them into a cancer patient earlier? You see? That's why when studies are developed, they have to have very clear endpoints. Want to get me started on statins???? Even murkier. Most statin trial "endpoints" are designed to look at the reduction in cholesterol levels. Many doctors complain that the "endpoint" should be mortality. The reason why the trials are set up at reduction of cholesterol is because to use mortality as an endpoint, you'd have to wait a very long time.
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Voracious, yes, in designing the studies scientists are often unable to take into account all the possible variables and so they simplify the situation, leaving out grey areas that are harder to understand.
I have an undergraduate science degree from Yale and a PhD in social sciences. In my understanding, when a study depends on an oversimplification, that should be acknowledged in discussing the results and making recommendations based on it. To fail to do that is bad science.
In this article at least, no such acknowledgement is made. Just statements about the cost effectiveness of screening and vague affirmations about the "harm" of screening.
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Here's a better explanation that I pulled off the internet about how a study is designed with endpoint in mind:
At its core, a clinical trial is designed to test a specific primary
hypothesis. The primary efficacy endpoint in a clinical trial is a clinical or
laboratory outcome measured in an individual after randomization that allows one
to test the primary hypothesis and provides the means of assessing whether a
therapy is effective compared with its control. A primary endpoint can be
measured once or repeatedly over time, or may comprise several kinds of
individual measurements. Once a primary endpoint is selected, statistical
methods of analysis to test the primary hypothesis can be determined and sample
size calculations can be performed to ensure the trial is properly powered.
Because of the key role of the primary endpoint in the design and analysis of a
trial, it is critical that it be chosen carefully. A primary efficacy endpoint
must be precisely specified in advance and should (1)
address the primary objective, (2) be ascertainable in all
patients, (3) be "fair" to each study arm, (4) have demonstrated or accepted relevance for the population
and intervention(s) of the trial, and (5) be sensitive to
meaningful changes in a patient's health.
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