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Just returned a phone call from my insurance company and it was very strange.  They were offering to send a nurse to my house every 6 weeks to check on me to make sure I was staying healthy.  When I asked the woman why they were offering this she said that she didn't have access to my medical records but that they had looked at my profile and determined that this would be beneficial to me.  The nurse would visit, do an assessment, review my meds and a dietician and social worker would be available as well.  she just kept repeating that she didn't know the details of why they were offering this just that my profile indicated that it woyuld be beneficial and it would not cost me anything.  I just wish I knew on what basis they were thinking that I needed this.  I have had a number of procedures in the last few months - a 6 month follow up mammogram that led to a stereotactic biopsy that resulted in a lumpectomy and most recently a hysterectomy and BSO.  Just started Effexor for hot flashes and night sweats.  I am 10 weeks post op from the hsyterectomy and I am back at work more than full time since week 5 and travelling for work and volunteer business.  It was really freaky to get the call and i politely declined the offer but she said that she had to send me the information about the program.  Just wait until they see that I have an appointment with my PCP on Monday for a check up and a review of my other meds (BP and thyroid) and my post lumpectomy mammogram in 2 weeks!!!!!  Has anybody else had their insurer do this????

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  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited October 2011

    No.  I just had half my liver removed too!  I wish they'd send somebody - but I'd make her clean the house, lol. :)

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2011

    Bizarre. I've never heard of anything like this.  Is it a scam? Based on my basic distrust of the health insurance industry, I'd be worried that they come snooping around, looking for a reason to drop my coverage. Which company is it? Through your employer or a solo policy?

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2011

    Are you absolutely sure it was your insurance company?  It almost sounds like it might be a scam, or at best a company trying to sell you something.  I'd maybe call your insurance company and see if they, in fact, did make the call, and exactly why.  It just sounds suspiscious to me...   Deanna

  • reesie
    reesie Member Posts: 2,078
    edited October 2011

    I have a nurse navigaror from my ins co that did the same thing (almost - not the home visit but I think they would make sure I got a home visit if I needed it ). She didn't have all my records but had my bmx precert. Maybe they called because of the hysto.



    As a matter of fact she called again the other day because my bmx was rescheduled (twice) and she thought it was done so she was calling to check in on me. Funny I was sitting in the hospital bed waiting for surgery when she called (the second date was the eleventh but the final date was the eighteenth).



    I think depending on the insurance you have this would be standard for chronic health or critical health conditions.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited October 2011

    I did when I had neck surgery.  It was a prophylactic vertebrae fusion.  A nurse 'navigator' called.  She followed up with me every week or two.  I was scheduled to be out for 6 weeks, but according to her chart the usual was 2 months or something.  She did help out in getting faxes to the right places and visits in the proper order.  I think she got 'credit' from the insurance company for getting me back to work in less time than they had scheduled.  I think they either mis-coded my proceedure, or else I was in a lot better shape than most because mine was prophylactic and I didn't have neck/back pain.

    When a friend (a nurse) had advanced pancreatic cancer, she hated the nurse navigator.  She kept on urging my friend to try going back to work (as did my friend's supervisor).   (This was about a month after she finished her daily radiation treatments.  I doubt if any of her treatments did much to slow her cancer.)

    I think my nurse navigator was much more helpful than my friend's nurse navigator.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    I checked out the phone number before I called back and it is related to my insurer. I am going to wait to see what they send me and then address it with my insurer directly. It is a company health insurance policy. I am most concerned that they are looking to deny future testing (MRI) or procedure.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    They did call (same number) a few days after the hysterectomy to see how I was doing but no offer of anything. It just seems strange to do this at 10 weeks post op. If they would just pay the providers in a timey fashion that would help.

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited October 2011

    I had this once happen with an employee of mine who was out with pneumonia.  True, the reason was to get her back to work sooner, but in this case it also meant she got well.

    She wasn't being treated properly by her doctor, and I hate to think what could have happened without the intervention.

    In your case Janet, I think they were checking to make sure you are progressing and to ensure you are getting the care you need.  I understand that the ultimate objective is to minimize disability, but this normally benefits the employee as well as the company.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    I took very little real time off from work after the hysterectomy.  I was responding to emails and following up on meetings the day after surgery from the hospital.  I am a workaholic.  I work for a small company and they were more than accomodating and told me to take as much time as I needed to recover and paid me my full salary as well for the 5 weeks I was not in the office full time. 

    The call was just so un-nerving.

  • Jellydonut
    Jellydonut Member Posts: 1,043
    edited October 2011

    Both before and after the BMX, I received a call from the "Breast Nurse" (I kid you not) of the insurance company.  She identified herself, then asked if I had any questions, or concerns that I wanted addressed.  After the BMX, she called again to inquire about how I was feeling, pain level, mobility issues, etc.  She then gave me her work number and said to call her if/when I had questions.  About two months later, I did call her with a question about mastectomy bras (lol).  She was most gracious and responsive and I did appreciate talking with her all three times.

    The day after I came home from the hospital following my heart attack, once again I received a call from the insurance company, but this time it was the "Cardiac Nurse" who inquired about my condition, if I had help at home (I did not), medications, etc.  She then invited me to participate in a weekly phone meeting with other women who also had heart attacks (I declined).  The nurse continued to check on me by phone for the first two weeks and also gave me her number, should I need information.

    Jane, I'd be suspicious about someone wanting to come to my home, though.  I'd definitely check that out.

    Jelly

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited October 2011

    I did get a call from a "case worker, RN" who represented Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. She only called on the phone, but several times a week. Just wanted to check with me and make sure I knew all the resources available to me...prosthetics, wigs, therapy, etc. She had helpful chemo hints and seemed to know alot about cancer treatment. I told her after a month or so I no longer needed her service.. Yes, it was provided at no cost...she said due to a catastrophic diagnosis, like cancer.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    It is very weird.  I declined the "service" as it is totally unnecessary.  I did get a call after the hysterectomy to see how I was doing and if I had any questions but that was a few days after I got home, 10 weeks later is just crazy.  Not sure what's up with them.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    jacee....

    unless they know something I don't, I don't think the procedures I have had recently can be considered catastrophic.  Oh, the oddities of health insurance.

  • EnglishMajor
    EnglishMajor Member Posts: 2,495
    edited October 2011

    Yes but in my program's case  the nurse does not pay a visit. Since my tx currently consists of taking Tamoxifen and getting monthly shot + bone booster, I couldn't see how she could help.

    In general, I think having these types of programs helps hold costs down--it encourages compliance, probably. I don't think they necessarily know the details of your heatlh per se. I think they probably do perceive me as a "heavy user" as I have to go to the dr. monthly. But I feel good--no issues a nurse could help with--these dr. appts. are not visits due to neglect.

    I have never been denied a test/procedure.

    So far the nurse has sent me a brochure that I can't believe anyone would get value from.  

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2011

    Usually these services are triggered by a dollar amount within a certain time frame. Strangely, the goal is not generally to deny services, but to advocate for your health so you stop spending so much money on medical care. Fairly harmless if you don't need or want the service.

    *susan* 

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    susan - I didn't think about it that way.  I have "spent" alot of their money in a very short time so that might be why got that call.  Still very un-nerving......

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited October 2011

    My insurance company does this and it seems they "red flag" certain people to watch.  My DH is on the same insurance with me and they never bother him.  They have made my life a misery trying to tell me which cheaper meds I should take.  I finally had to tell them NOT to call me any more and I was refusing to talk to their so called "nurse"!  They may want you to think it is all about helping "you" but I think it is all about getting us to do things cheaper.  Now all I get are letters recommending I ask my doctor to change one of my more expensive brand name drugs to a cheaper generic they prefer.  IF I was able to take the cheaper generic don't the idiots know I would have already?  It's all about their bottom line kind of like Susan posted.

    Medigal

  • buttercupwithab
    buttercupwithab Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2011

    I don't think I like this.  I had a nurse navigator that called me every month at BC/BC and we worked very effectively together.  I had to read your post twice to verify that "they are coming to you".  Their review of what occurs between you and your doctor smacks of interference between the doctor patient relationship and HIPAA in my opinion.  I would not go along with it.  Advice is one thing.   Determining what you should do is a decision between you and your doctor  - period.  If my doctor needs anyone second guessing her, she has me questioning her.  She does not need this!

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited October 2011

    I got a calL before my BMX. My insuance company offered to send me a visualization/guided imagery CD(I think). I declined. The nurse asked me about help I had at home & mentioning my inurance could help with tranportation to get me to treatments. She warned me about post-op complications such as constipation. Talked also of pain control. I also have BC/BS & I thought it was to try & improve their image. My recovery was uneventful & I drove myself to all my treatments.

  • minxie
    minxie Member Posts: 484
    edited October 2011

    I have not have a nurse offer to visit, but I have had nurses asssociated with my insurance company call and offer help and "navigator" type services. They called repeatedly after my lumpectomy even though I was avoiding all phone calls then and told them to stop. They started up again after my BMX but I told them again not to call. And now the latest - they must have access to my mental health records again because I got a letter from the behavioral health dept of the insurance (I'm seeing  a psychiatrist and therapist for PTSD) saying someone would be in touch soon. Sure enough, they called me at work. And once again I told them to go away.

     Yes, I suppose insome cases they might be helpful, especially if you weren't sure how to navigate the medical maze. But I am angry that so many intimate details of my private medical information are being made available to all these different people! And I can't help but mistrust whatever the insurance company's motives may be because they are sure to be in their interests, not mine.

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited October 2011

    Obviously they want to cut costs by trying to make us choose a healthier lifestyle (especially for patients with diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.) but I also think this is a PR push to be more "community-minded."  I am always getting letters from the insurance company about my diabetes and high blood pressure and, yes, cheaper drugs I could take.

    I would not, however, let anyone come to my house without thoroughly checking it out.  Try calling your insurance company and ask why they are reaching out - try to either get their PR/Community Department or a manager.

    After I shattered my shoulder I did have both a nurse and a PT come to the house 2-3 times each week but the hospital arranged for these visits.

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited October 2011

    My phone call came about a month after hyst/ooph and mastectomy. I'm sure they realize what is on the horizon after a cancer diagnosis ( chemo, rads, scans, surgery). She didn't seem to want to influence my decisions. In fact when I told her my nausea meds weren't working during chemo she told me to keep asking till I got something that worked.  However, she did mail me a packet of forms that I was to sign to "authorize" her to follow my case and make recommendations. I talked with my breast surgeon about it, she said she'd never seen anything like it before. I chose not to sign it or mail it back. I never heard anything about it. She did continue to call throughout chemo periodically. And then just called one day to ask if I still needed her service.

    Maybe for someone who is all alone, with no support system, this would be good...to have an advocate. It's easy to get confused with insurance coverage if you don't understand all the terms. But I'm an avid researcher anytime I get a diagnosis, I learn all I can.  She asked me at one point if I was a nurse!!! LOL.

    I do remember thinking it was odd when she first called.

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    It is so very strange and bothers me more every time i think about it that I am going to call on next week and try to find out on what basis they thought I need this service.

  • Del11
    Del11 Member Posts: 944
    edited October 2011

    I think these calls are offshoots of "wellness programs" that companies adopt.  The main tenet of which is "people with chronic conditions are obviously that way--and costing us more money--because they're ignorant of how to take care of themselves."  The other one being... let's see if we can get private health information about this employee that we wouldn't normally have.  I may be too cynical, but after signing up for a "wellness program" once I'll never do it again.  I have zero confidence that a nurse navigator could make a suggestion about treatment or recovery that I can't get elsewhere.  Now, navigating insurance... that I would welcome. 

    If I were you I'd just be cautious about what medical information you give them about yourself, if you do decide to continue talking with them.  Me, I just didn't pick up their phone calls or return their messages and they eventually went away.

  • Sue-61
    Sue-61 Member Posts: 599
    edited October 2011

    Case management thru your insurance co is the up and coming thing. I know because I was one. And when I was diagnosed with breast cancer right after I took early retirement, the first thing I did was request an oncology casemanager and believe me, she was a blessing. She did a lot of education as I was really clue less about BC. Explained the ER/PR stuff, HER2 stuff, made sure I got prior approval for a MRI, etc. I think this is the same thing as a navigator. Of course the main role is for cost containment and you probably popped up on a list of high users, thru no fault of your own. My DH was very ill with cardiac disease and I used to get a list of "high users" and yup, he was on it. I think I did a lot for my members, seriously. I would redirect them to other facilities to get better care, educate them on their medications, coordinate their care, etc..

    As far as a nurse making a home visit, that has to come from a doctor's order. I could not authorize that and that part of your story kind of baffles me, Janet.

    And as far as getting a referral for mental health services.........Minxie, in order to pay claims, they do have access to your health status. There is no getting around this.

    I had a lot of people refuse casemanagement, but as soon as they had a problem or concern, they never seemed to lose my phone number!

    And, you certainly do have the right to refuse.

    Disability case managers DO want to get you back to work ASAP. That is their role. A health insurance casemanager is a whole other ball game.

    Hope this helps, Sue

  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    Sue-61----it baffles me too and that is why its so un-nerving.  Trust me they are not getting any information out of me.

  • Tatina123
    Tatina123 Member Posts: 480
    edited October 2011

    I had the same call and I agreed to speak with the case manager nurse out of pure curiosity. The nurse, who had experience in oncology for more than 30 years, was an excellent source of information. Her job, she said, was to provide resources if any were needed on my part.



    I was already well informed with my situation but she had some good tips.



    For example, to inquire about probiotics with my PS since I have been on heavy antibiotics due to a TE infection.







    I can usually spot red flags and I didn't see one here.....

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited October 2011
    Coolbreeze mentioned she would like someone to clean for her. Maybe you can have your wish! Check this link out http://canadiancouponsnfreebies.com/?p=475  It offers free house cleaning for women with breast cancer.
  • JanetM
    JanetM Member Posts: 336
    edited October 2011

    I wouldn't mind housing cleaning either but that wasn't one of the services offered!!! 

  • Sue-61
    Sue-61 Member Posts: 599
    edited October 2011

    Cleaning for a reason..............google it. It is to help BC patients but Janet, doesn't look like it's availalbe in NY.

    Jeskachi........casemanagers have to follow HIPPA guidelines and of course any professional would NOT share medical info with an employer. My members used to ask me all the time if I was going to talk to their employer...........have no idea why they would think that.............and I do understand  patients being afraid to give out info  and many many refused my services. And you certainly have the right to refuse as that is your choice. I myself found it helpful. I did cardiac outreach so this BC thing really threw me for a loop. But the insurance company that I worked for already had all my medical info as they have to pay claims and need medical coding to do it. So you really can't hide from your insurance company!

     Janet, I certainly agree and do not see why they were offering a nurse. Makes no sense to me either

     Tatina, glad you found it helpful.

    Here's one story that had a good outcome. I was chatting with a member who was on both colace, a stool softener, and coumadin, a blood thinner. I was reviewing his medications with him and he got the 2 confused. Was taking the blood thinner for his constipation! (I nearly fainted). So I called his doc and he went right in for a blood test.............to check how "thin" his blood had become as he could have bled to death. That was a rewarding day for me.

    Not trying to push the casemanagement thing on anyone............it's up to you to decide.

    Hope this is helpful and that I didn't offend anyone! Sue

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