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  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006

    Quasi wonderful job there. There may be a point with Chocolate, I have been bleeding a lot after every little thing lately. Chocolate is my crave food. hmmm that really may make sense!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2006
    I've found green tea to be pretty easy to take. I can microwave water at work and make it. Much less trouble than making coffee. Black tea or Chai tends to give me hot flashes so I'm off of that. I already have ruddy skin and don't need a totally red face.

    If I get into doing something at work I always stick with it. I've got my calcium supplements there and it's like clockwork - lunch then pill.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited March 2006
    Denise,



    I found this for you:



    In the ensuing feeding frenzy, researchers have announced that chocolate contains more antioxidants than your favorite green and orange vegetables. This past February, a university group sponsored by Mars reported that, like aspirin, chocolate thins the blood, which helps prevent heart attacks. Mars also funded a nutritionist to investigate the historical use of chocolate as a medicine, perhaps searching for additional health claims. Scientists debate whether the chemicals in chocolate have a positive effect. But if the candy companies have their way, your doctor might someday prescribe chocolate for your health.



    http://people.ucsc.edu/~lavendel/Science%20Notes%202000/chocolate.htm



    I found out that chocolate from Europe has more flavonoids then ours does, we over-process everything, so that's the kind I buy. I'll keep looking for the kind that doesn't put weight on.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    If only I had thick blood! I think my blood is fine and I have over thinned it. I had a friend that loved european chocolate, she knew where to find it in Texas. My brother says Germany has wonderful chocolate(yes he is a chocolic too!)

    I think the more bitter or dark the more flavonoids right? I try to stay away from milk chocolate!
  • Denny123
    Denny123 Member Posts: 1,886
    edited March 2006
    Rosemary-Thanks for the link to that great informative article on chocolate. But it makes me want to eat it even more. Okay, I know-everything in moderation.

    Rose and KariLynn-try as I might I just can't get that excited over broccoli and carrots, although I ate both of them this evening. Of course, I did finish my meal with a bit of dark chocolate.

    Cowgirl, maybe we can design a kind of chocolate bandaid for you.
    I like the Moser-Roth Dark Chocolate from Germany with 70% cocoa that I buy at Aldi's at $1.49 for 5 bars with a total weight of 4.3oz. On a good day, I only eat half of a bar which would be less than an ounce, so that isn't too bad.
    But I guess I really should cut it out for about a week before my surgery.
    Thanks for all of your helpful hints!
    Denise
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited March 2006
    More info is coming out from the high fiber-low fat diet research:



    Here are some quotes:



    Researchers say the results may have been weaker than expected because the women, being only human, didn't change their habits as much as everyone had hoped. On average after eight years, they had cut their fat intake to 29 percent, not the 20 percent goal. After seven years, only 59 percent of the calcium/D-takers were still swallowing the intended number of pills each day.



    However, those who did take their pills had a 29 percent dip in hip fractures, and those who cut the most dietary fat lessened their breast-cancer risk.

    Another thing that may have undercut the dietary results: The trial didn't distinguish between "good" and "bad" fats, as nutritionists now recommend.



    I liked this quote:



    The WHI "used the wrong treatment on the wrong women and came to the wrong conclusions," contends John Studd, a professor of gynecology at Imperial College in London, on his Web site. "It was a study of staggering clinical incompetence."



    It would be funny, but we paid for this 15 years of incompetence.



    http://www.timesleader.com/mld/philly/li...l=philly_health
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited March 2006
    Denise,

    I can't find anything wrong with eating dark chocolate and you must have found the kind that takes weight off. What a find!

    Cowgirl,

    You have to look for the european type that lists the amount of cocoa in it. I eat 85% cocoa. It's quite bitter but more of the good stuff is left in it. Whenever I read research on chocolate it's usually done with 70+% of cocoa.

    Just to let you know how well I keep up with all things chocolate, Hershey's bought a european chocolate factory so they can have a product that's also healthy to eat.

    Bon appetite!
  • Denny123
    Denny123 Member Posts: 1,886
    edited March 2006
    Rosemary,
    My dark chocolate does not keep me from gaining weight. Of course I managed to put back on the 2 1/2 pounds that I lost.
    Yo-yo again. What is upsetting is that I once read an article that said that yo-yo dieting can help to cause BC. Heck, my life has been one big yo-yo!
    Denise
  • RobinTN
    RobinTN Member Posts: 654
    edited March 2006

    Thanks to all for all the great info especially LauraP about the Green tea!

  • marywo
    marywo Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2006

    Denise re:chocolate when I had my masectomy/reconstruction my surgeon said no smoking/chocolate/coffee(caffeine) for 6 weeks for just the reason you posted...6 weeks is no big deal in the big picture though you'll make it...definitely ask your surgeon very specifically what you can and cannot eat/drink so you can be sure.

  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    I just love this thread, everybody contributes I take notes and it feels so good! It is fitting Theresa started this thread!

    I ate whatever, but then again I don't think I asked him about diet. I asked about meds and other things.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2006
    Six weeks without caffeine would be a pretty big deal for me. I don't even want to think how slowly it would go!

    Did you have a DIEP? Thank goodness nobody told me that.
  • Denny123
    Denny123 Member Posts: 1,886
    edited March 2006
    Mary,
    Thanks for the info. Is that 6 weeks before surgery???
    No chocolate????? Oh no!!
    Denise
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    Mary!
    I would be so skinny and cranky without coffee and chocolate. What are going to take for the caffeine headaches?

    You are soooo brave!!!
  • marywo
    marywo Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2006
    okay first off what is a DIEP?
    I didn't have any restrictions before surgery except for blood thinners (like if you take an aspirin daily or fish oil etc.) also no herb supplements...he didn't give me the no caffine/chocolate speech until after the surgery...smart guy! Frankly when you are done with surgery and return home it will be awhile before you are back in your old routines I didn't crave my usual stuff for many weeks. Not to get to graphic but after my surgery one of my instructions was 'don't get constipated for 6 weeks'....hmm never planned on getting constipated before just because nobody ever told me not to but you better believe I was very serious about my fruit intake because I didn't want any after surgery complications. Once I popped real hard and my bellybottom hurt I was terrified for a couple days I had done some permenant damage! Oh well like I say just ask your surgeon I'm not even sure what surgery you are getting.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2006

    DIEP is a reconstruction surgery where they move tissue from one part of your body to make a new breast. They do micro-surgery to sew the blood vessels together in the new spot. If the blood vessels don't heal to the new place the whole thing fails. So they tell people to stay off of caffeine or things that constrict blood vessels.

  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006

    I took phillips Magnesia pills to help Mary. They seemed to do the trick, with the pain meds it just happens, and the surgery!

  • marywo
    marywo Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2006

    Oh then I had a DEIP! Luckily all those years of storing up tummy fat paid off! I was a 'C' cup and the doctor said well you will be a little smaller but it will still be all your own tissue....when he felt around my stomach he said "oh I can probably make you just the same as you are now"! So technically I'm only 5 pounds lighter since the surgery but I look like I lost more because I don't have a flabby stomach.

  • Calico
    Calico Member Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2006
    May I join in? I am trying to live healty and it is hard with chocolate around...

    Speaking of antioxidants, I love blueberries and Sam's Club has them big, plump and frozen for $ 6.00 per 3 lbs bag.

    My rads onc told me not to eat so many because they are loaded with antioxidants. I can just 'inhale' them by the pound (defrosted of cours - I'd skip the microwave and defrost at room temp). No problems with BM's either but large amounts of blueberries do change the color.

    I lost 2 lbs since my surgery on 21 due to healthy eating and fear of gaining weight due to real menopause. But that doesn't mean I'll continue since I am an emotional eater, ha.
    I confess, had some choci already today before 10:00 am...

    God Bless
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    Calico but of course! Theresa ate a lot of blueberries to get her RBC up!

    I went to a shower today and ate a small piece of cake, I really don't miss cake overall.

    I have to look at Sams for blueberries! My son put frozen ones in smoothies, it is one of his favorite snacks!
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2006
    We've had more strawberries on special here. They are a bit pricey, but so good.



    Actually, the frozen berry mixes are not that expensive compared to the fresh ones.



    I go with the notion that frozen fruits/vegies are just as good as fresh.



    My friend at the gym who is bc veteran, and a nurse, was telling someone that most adults are lactose intolerant. She says bloating/gas are signs of this. Since milk is part of my avoid calcium supplements plan it got me to thinking. I bought a carton of the lactose free milk and will be trying it this week. So far, and I've only had it two days now, it seems to make a difference!!!!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2006
    that is very interesting. i will get some lactose free milk. i definitely believe that i am lactose intolerant, but really don't consume a lot of milk products because of the low fat thing.

    cheese is my luxury, prefer it to chocolate...wow am i weird, but give me a piece of bread with some cheese and i am a happy woman...

    everything in moderation but i definitely do without what i don't crave.

    frozen berries are a great way to go...fresh is a little cheaper these days, probably coming in from chile?

    wash those berries good!

    happy sunday to all my sisters and chocoholics. dip those berries in some dark chocolate. very very easy.

    it is absolutely pouring here and has been all night, flowers doing well. going to nyc for six days on the sixteenth so working hard til then.

    spent the evening a couple of nights ago reading old Theresa posts...Man was she a special person.

    Keep on keeping on ladies...

    Life IS good.

    Laura
    having smoked salmon and lowfat cream cheese for special sunday breakfast
  • KariLynn
    KariLynn Member Posts: 1,079
    edited March 2006
    This is just a funny side story:

    My sister has never liked cheese. She was keeping the kids at her house yesterday and they were getting dinner, ny son, Nick, mentioned that some cheese dip would be good (he's 9) and Kim said she doesn't eat cheese. Nick asked her "Are you lactose intolerant?" lol
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    Rose I am lactose intolerant, that is how I began getting goat cheese from my friend. I love the lactose free milk! I eat it on my cereal everyday, I even cook with it at times.

    Today is Fence fixing day at the farm, oldest has IBS acting up. Daddy just told him to bring his meds, crackers and water and get in the truck. Hard day to have a bum arm, I could help more but right now littlest and I would just be in the way.

    I envision poor oldest puking a bit, fixing fence a bit.

    Apples must be cheap, hubby has bought so many! I make make an apple cobbler with a diet soda. Maybe oldest can keep that down tonight!

    Hubby has to do certain things no matter what, and so does oldest.

    I have broccoli to steam I just need something else with it!
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006

    Oh Kari kids are too funny I missed your post!!!! Youngest told my friend he was allergic to apples and tomatoes were just not okay for him to eat! At least he didn't lie!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2006
    kari, that is soo cute, your nick sounds like a real sweet boy...

    fence fixing day sounds like a long one for number one son...make something he really likes, maybe that will work. he is sure to be real hungry today.

    funny what goes on in those pointed little heads of our men folk...such creatures of habit.

    neighbor made me some lima bean soup for lunch, she is still dropping dishes by..bless her heart..

    love her cooking but too much salt and i know she went to the paula dean school of cooking, she is 85.

    i am packing sorting today, clearing a room,moving some stuff to storage tomorrow...niece moving in for a spell, son is not thrilled but in the end i think it will be a good thing.

    trying to be so careful lifting but frozen shoulder has started up...couple more boxes and that is it...

    it is harder not doing stuff then doin'...

    really indulging myself today, making guacomole to have with the oscars...

    george clooney loves my guacamole...

    he just doesn't know it...

    laura
    laughing at my own joke
  • Calico
    Calico Member Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2006
    I used to have soy milk with cereal before bc, I could not tolerate milk in the morning. Now I have whole grain bread from the German bakery in town with black berry jam.

    I also try to avoid cheese.

    KaryLynn,
    my mom never ate cheese or dairy, so naturally I thought it's yucky until a friend introduced me to pizza when I was 16 (oh what I missed all my life until then). Funny, now I think it's bad for me.

    Did my hike today (3 miles), had brussel sprouts for lunch. My daughter was graving sweets and asked me to make cupcakes. Found a carrot cake mix in the pantry and it's in the oven now.
    The first since chemo, I feel like a mom today, baking, to funny how little things all of a sudden make you feel back to normal (of course realizing it's not the best food and we usually stay away from mixes etc.).
    I also picked up two cakes for the rads staff and chemo staff to say Thank you. (My last rads are tomorrow). That helped my graving along, not much armtwisting here....

    Cowgirl,
    I hope your son feels better soon!

    Laura,
    NY sounds fun, I'd like to go too.

    Have a great day (you know what I have for dinner )

    Good Bless
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2006
    wish i could hike today...it has been raining steadily all day...i love carrot cake! i eat brussel sprouts...

    but the bread and jam...that sounds absolutely lovely...my second favorite thing in the world to eat...

    looking at the pics from las vegas...thought this was a hoot and wanted to share...look at all my hair! what a great show, the blue man group!
    image

    tooo funny, had blue in my hair all weekend...!
    laura
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2006
    VEGAS!!!

    I love the hair, you look great.

    CG - sounds like your son is off of red things. Remind him that an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

    Calico - you can join me in the quest for the right fat substitute. So far applesauce is winning over pureed prunes and bananas.

    I went to Walmart to restock and got some lactose enzyme. I'm going to give that a try. This business of special milk may be an issue. If it's special then my husband thinks he needs to too, so then he drinks it all.

    I drove my son back to school. He's a tad south and it was such a nice day. I figure the time in the car was 'sun time'. My eyes need that light. And I do feel perkier today.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2006
    Well oldest called me a bunch, took his meds. He finished the fence, then went hunting. Hunting is stress relief, so he came home happy as a lark. I wanted to kick him but then again I was glad he felt better. He missed the wild hog, Hubby said oldest was doing great as soon as he said "okay go hunt for a bit".

    Brussel sprouts yummm! Calico I married a German they make wonderful bread. Carbs are their speciality!

    Laura I am sure George loves Guacomole! If only you could have had him over! You know avocadoes are a natural fat, and a veggie. So when I splurge I try to remember they are better for me than a Paula Dean diet. "A cup of butter, a cup of sugar and of course a cup of white flour. Now you know a bit more butter and sugar will make it taste so good!"

    I have relented to a snack of black bean salsa and wasa! I really miss the chips but Wasa is not too bad with salsa on it!

    Rose my only problem with that milk is middle son loves it as much as I do, so yeah it gets to be pricey!

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