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  • yooper
    yooper Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    Hello everyone.

    Rabbit-the sore nails don't sound like fun. I haven't had nail issues other than some slight discoloration so far. My taxol bone pain starts by the third day after tx and is pretty bad for 2-3 days. After that I just feel weak in the knees, like some others have said, with the occasional residual shooting pains now and then. But then misswim didn't really get the bone pains, so who knows? I'll be curious to see how that goes for you. As for the hair, I was told it's common to get the peach fuzz coming in while on taxol. I haven't seen any though, but mine's weird. It never all came out--I have some shiny bald areas and some fuzzy patches mixed.

    Misswim--I'm so sorry to hear about your latest ordeal. Being sick like that on top of chemo is just...well...there are no words. I truly hope you feel better soon. Good news on the test results though. When are you done?

     J-bug--I can't imagine your frustration with everything. I hope you are able to get some accurate and thorough info on this soon. Also six days of bone pains...yikes! Isn't this how it is with chemo? Each time we think something may be predictable, things change.

    Shinypop--you make me laugh! Thank you.

    I'm doing pretty well. This round of bone pain is pretty much done. I've had constipation issues for weeks that, although I thought were improving, seem back to square one. I am thankful though I haven't had any racing heart issues in a few weeks. I'm very excited to have my last tx a week from today. I am so hoping to not have to deal with any "new" side effects from here on out, but that's probably wishful thinking. Hope everyone has a good weekend!

  • yooper
    yooper Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    Oh yes, I forgot. My eyelashes and eyebrows are almost gone too. Just in the last two weeks. Does anyone know how long it takes those to grow back?

  • Cathy_C
    Cathy_C Member Posts: 61
    edited October 2011

    Rabbit: Sure hope it keeps getting easier for you. You sure have had your share of SE. My MO said with the Taxotere my hair may start growing back, but after a few days of that horrible 5 o'clock shadow that hurt when I put my head on the pillow I shaved my head. Been two weeks since I shaved it and now the regrowth seems much softer.

    Misswim: It's your turn to turn these SE around and at the same time congrats on the "no cancer" that is wonderful news. 

    Yooper: My eyebrows and lashes are almost gone as well. By the way if you decide to pencil in your eyebrows be careful when rubbing that itch, because poof there goes the eyebrow. So I only walked around for about 5 minutes before I thought about it.   

    The SE from 2nd Taxotere seems to be a little easier, fever only went to 99.9, bone pain seems less and hot flashes don't seem to be as bad. I have to tell you living in AZ with hot flashes really sucks. We are still getting triple digits, ugh. Can't wait for winter. 

  • kk11
    kk11 Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2011

    Shinypop - Glad you had speedy gonzalez! My treatments were NEVER quick!

    Rabbit - Uneventful is GOOD! :) As far as the nail pain goes, I've had it with Taxol, so I don't know if it will get better unfortunately. :( And my hair has been growing back slowly since finishing AC and starting Taxol. I definitely think Taxol doesn't affect the hair quite as much!

    Snoopy - Yeah! 1/4 of radiation is done! As far as hot flashes go, I have read they will continue with Tamoxifen like you said, but they may not be as bad once our ovaries kick back into gear. I didn't get the Lupron shot. My onc didn't recommend it. Now I wonder if I made a mistake.

    Misswim - What a week! I hope you feel better soon. As for the neuropathy, I have had that happen with my tea too. And yes, jello is the perfect description of how my legs have been feeling, though it's finally getting a bit better.

    J-Bug - My last Taxol was as you described. It hit earlier and lasted longer. I'm so sorry that things aren't clear cut for you right now as to next steps. I hope you get things figured out. And you are definitely entitled to all of your MRIs and if there's any question as to what's on them, you should talk to your onc about it. As far as surgery goes, I was told they like to wait about 4 weeks post chemo to give your body enough time to heal (increase hemoglobin and white blood counts).

    Yooper - I'm glad things are going relatively smoothly for you...you're almost done right? And I never lost all of my hair either. It's like one day it just stopped falling out and stayed the same. Then a couple weeks later, it started growing again, though slowly. Today I noticed a decent amount of growth. It would be nice to get to my birthday next month with enough hair to go "topless"!

    Cathy - My hot flashes come regardless of temperature, but I agree it's probably much worse for you in triple digit weather. I've always gotten cold easily. Now I say bring on winter too!

    As for eyelashes and eyebrows, I have lost a lot of my lashes, but not all and still have my eyebrows though they're thinner. I was told that they are the last to go, but the first to come back. I do believe they grow back quickly. I have a friend who had no eyebrows or lashes when she finished chemo in July and I saw her 2 months later and they are fully grown back now!

     AFM - The neuropathy is still pretty bad. Have any of you noticed whether warm/hot temps make it worse? Like when washing dishes, or taking a shower, etc. I went swimming on Wednesday (since I felt so unstead on my legs but wanted to try to get exercise) and my hands and feet felt somewhat better, though it was shortlived. I think I just need to stay off of dishwashing duty for a while!

  • dexxy
    dexxy Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2011

    Hello Beautiful Ladies!  Snoopy and I are right on schedule 9th rad done. 4 weeks to go.  CONGRATS to all who are done with chemo.  I know its exhausting and being done does get better i swear.  I'm 5 weeks post chemo and this week was the week I saw the tables turn.  Eyebrows and eyelashes are coming back full force.  I didn't loose all of them as i used latisse all during chemo.  But You might want to look into it to get them to grow faster and fuller.  I know there is a generic version some like Envyderm Eyelash seems to actually be more organic plus a lot cheaper.  On another note where I did loose hair i've noticed stubble finally.  Just wanted you to all know there is light at the end of the tunnel.  I still have SE's but hey these other positives are out weighing this week.  Keep being beautiful girls.  sending hugs

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Hi everyone - I have been mostly commenting on the July Taxotere/Cytoxan thread.  I read through your posts and note that some of you are really having a hard time.  You are all such troopers!

    I will start my rads on Monday.  Kind of dreading it because I will need to be so regimented with my schedule and will have to get up so early in the morning for 6 weeks.  I am not a morning person and BC is making me grumpy!!

    Anyway, I am missing a bunch of lashes on my right lid - a bit of a gap that is really only noticeable to me.  My brows are really getting thin and I will use pencil on them now and then.  Have very little of my original hair - maybe a couple hundred long strands - survivor strands, and there is wild fuzz (can't really tell the color) all over my scalp.  Scalp skin is a bit flaky, so I am moisturizing it and trying to get the flakes off.  Wonder if it is the recovering hair follicles pushing dead skin out of the way.  Hand neuropathy is mostly gone.  Had a major foot cramp in my left foot, though.  I am hungry all the time, and food has been tasting great now that I am 3 1/2 weeks out of my last chemo infusion.

    Have a great weekend!

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    hey beautiful ladies,

    had my third fec round on wed. woke up today with terrible body aches,even my face hurst to the touch!never had that with first two rounds! My onco.prescribed another anti depressent because of the brain burning feeling i was having for the last two weeks,he said the two anti depressants will help ease the burning sensation. Im feeling soooooooo grumpy today,i look swollen and puffy and feeling sleepy the whole day!

    Wish you all the best,keep ur beautiful smile,u r all so very specialLaughing

    hope you get side effectless weekend and get to enjoy ur timeLaughing

    big hugs and best wishes to all

  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited October 2011

    So, I got copies today of all the imaging that I have had done since diagnosis. I am still seeing measurements on my end of August MRI that says my tumor measures 3.5 cm. Then, the one at the end of September says 5 cm. The only thing that I can guess besides tumor growth is that it was measured two different ways.

    I will check in with my oncologist next week when he is back from vacation. I am sure that he would have told me and changed the treatment plan if the tumor was growing. The original size was 8.6 cm, so at least it is not that!

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    j-bug,i had the same thing,first they said its one tumor.0.7mm max!! then after MRI they said it's 4 small DCIS tumors spread here and there,then after mastectomy it turned out to be a flat 5.5cm IDC,with lumps of DCIS in there!!!

    i have had lots of surprises along the way,but so far so good:) i keep smiling:)will get my reconstruction after chemo and radiation.cant wait:)

    i hope you get over this whole thing soon and smoothly sweety.

    hugs

  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited October 2011

    I had those surprises in size in the beginning too. Mine started by being measured at 2 cm, then 5, and finally 8.6 cm.

    But now, going through treatment and having an MRI every two treatments, I should have known if there was growth. My oncologist told me that if he saw growth, he would change the chemo treatment. I understood the size changes in the beginning. They were based on using different diagnostic methods. But this is all the same method every two weeks comparing all the old MRI's to the most current. My oncologist will have to explain this one.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited October 2011

    J-Bug, will you have another MRI prior to your mastectomy? I had two prior to mine but the tumor size was 2.3 and never changed, so I had surgery prior to chemo.  However, that was even a surprise to me, as I had thought it was a .9mm according to the ultrasound. Do you believe that they will recommend more chemo? What about your nodes, do they have any idea if there is involvement? Is your surgeon a surgical oncologist?

  • rabbit
    rabbit Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2011

    Morning all :)

    J-Bug, I completely understand your worries, get some answers Monday, I'm sure there is a missing puzzle piece to all of this. 

    yooper,  I think my peach fuzz started on docetaxel, I had that one tx of it 3.5 weeks ago and noticed the fuzz coming in a week or two ago. I only had my first taxol on Wed. but there is definite new growth there. As for the eyelashes and eyebrows, they were massively thinning out already and thinning even more now. I'm sure they will be all gone in a few weeks.

    Cathy_C, I know what you mean about the penciling of the eyebrows, I actually used a pencil for the first time a week or two ago, just to test it out, they were really starting to lighten and thin. I was so "foggy" from the chemo still that to be honest I don't know how I even attempted to pencil them in a bit LOL But they looked so-so, not too bad, could of been worse, and I would catch myself wiping or rubbing my eyes off and on, sure I rubbed all the penciling off! Good thing that was the night I was at the survivor dinner with 800 other survivors so they would of not blinked at it anyways!

    kk11, I hope you and I are right, and the taxol doesn't affect the scalp growth as much. I would love to start getting my hair back soon especially since the tx change and I won't be done til Dec 7th now, as opposed to Nov 23rd. I don't miss not shaving my legs, under my arms and my bikini line!! Those hairs can stay gone for all I care LOL

    I definitely notice the hot water affects the pain in my toes and fingers a lot! Washing dishes is not good during these tx, my hands are so dry, peeling like crazy, shedding layers of skin. And they say gloves are not good either...so get someone else to do dishes for a while if you can! When I took a warm jacuzzi bath (my mom has the best tub!) a few days after my docetaxel tx, I had to cool it off a bit, my toenails and fingernails were throbbing from the heat, very uncomfortable.

    dexxy, it's so awesome to see you are getting back to normal a bit, great news, I am soooo happy for you!

    PhillyBird, I have been using tar shampoo a few days a week on my scalp, I was getting a few tiny little bumps, itchy spots...and it seems to help, the stuff stinks but it works. I also use nivea body oil on my scalp or lotion once in a while. Since doing those things my scalp is in great shape, almost never itchy, no flakes.

    lulujune17, I remember during my FECs I had sore spots all over as well.  I still get spots on my neck, head, and upper arms that are so tender to touch, like they are bruised, but they aren't. 

    misswim, how are you feeling today?

    I have some aches and pains today, day 4 of my first taxol, nothing terrible and certainly not as bad as the docetaxel. No upper GI issues, knock on wood!!!!!!! I hope everyone has a SE free or close to it! weekend :)

    xoxoxoxo 

  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited October 2011

    misswim: My surgeon is a general surgeon.

    There will be one more MRI coming Monday.

    I don't know that there is any involvement in the nodes at this point. I can't know that for sure until surgery. The oncologist and surgeon have told me that the PET scan was the most definitive way to know without surgery but can still miss tumors that are below 5 mm (I believe that was the number I was told). They have indicated that with this kind of tumor size it could very well have spread to the nodes and the technology is just not picking it up yet. I also found something in the MRI reports describing how the tumor may be into the chest wall. I have to find that and reread that to make sure I am understanding correctly. Perhaps they were just talking about looking to be sure that it had not spread into the chest wall.

    I don't know if they will recommend more chemo at this point. I was so stunned to hear it suggested. I have such a mentality of we are doing chemo, then surgery, then radiation, then reconstruction and not having any deviation from the plan. I have been just counting down treatments so that I could get ready for the next hurdle which was surgery - how dare he suggest that there is any other plan? : ) I think I needed the wake-up call. I knew mentally that the plan was not set in stone, but not emotionally.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited October 2011

    J-Bug- Strikes me that if the chemo isn't working, better out than in, right? Perhaps they might make a reccomendation for additional chemo based on what they find in the mastectomy. I am sorry it has thrown of your plan- I am sure mentally that can be really upsetting. Such a long journey. I finish up chemo next Weds, then get a two week break, then tamox and lupron until I have an ooph in February. Everybody keepos telling me to be "happy it will be over". Newsflash, it  is not over! It's never over....... I hope whatever happens, you are ok. Let us know what happens.

  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited October 2011

    I think that I thought it would be over after each of these hurdles. I should have heard your newsflash sooner! : )

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited October 2011

    I meant no ill will by that newsflash statement....... just meant that everyone around me thinks that once chemo is over, life will be normal, that this road is not one we will always be on, even if we move forward and do well (which we will), we will always live with our breast cancer and it will always be a part of who we are, and I wish people understood that.

    I wish you the very best of luck :)

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    Just dropped to give everyone a very BIG HUGLaughing feeling better today,mild pain here and there. im going to take my little boy out and have some icecream(although my taste buds are not functioning at this time,everything tastes funny),but will do it anyway,he looks boredTongue out

    Wishing you all the best ,

    hugs hugs hugs

    p.s. keep smiling everyone,u r all sooooooooooooooo special

  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited October 2011

    misswim: I was not taking any offense at all by your statement!

    I am just saying I could have used that newsflash with my being so set on my treatment plan, thinking that it was such a straight path to getting this cancer thing over with. You are absolutely right! It is never just "done", maybe cancer-free if we are one of the lucky ones, but not just done. 

  • bcisnofun
    bcisnofun Member Posts: 488
    edited October 2011

    Hi chemo friends.  I haven't posted much lately because I'm done with chemo.  But I read your posts and always pray for you all and wish you much health and happiness.  For me, by 3-4 weeks post final chemo I started feeling great.  it's finally out of your system and you go AHHHH!  Energy level returned.  I stopped looking at the clock at work just willing it to be 5 so I could go home, and started looking at the clock at 5:15 shocked and wondering where the day went.  By the time my lashes and brows really kicked the bucket (about 5.5 weeks post final chemo), it seemed like the next day they were growing in and wow, they grew fast.  I already need a brow shaping they are so full.  My hair didn't start growing back until about 6.5 weeks post final chemo and I was seriously worried I would be the one person who had permanent hair loss.  But alas, there it was.  We took a picture last week and again today and lots of change.  I'm lucky I didn't have to do rads and I'm thinking about all of you who do.  I hope it's treating you better than chemo!  I have my implant exchange Monday and I'm hoping for good results.  Again - thinking and praying for all of you. 

  • yooper
    yooper Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    I enjoy hearing from you girls who are already done with chemo. I find it very encouraging! I need the reminders of what I have to look forward to. It keeps me plugging along.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Rabbit - thanks for the scalp treatment tips!

    Yooper - we had our lumpectomies on the same day!  Hope you are doing well.  I start my rads on Monday and I am a bit apprehensive, but everyone says it is a piece of cake.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited October 2011

    My husband and I watched "Five" on Lifetime tonight, and we were both in tears. While I don't think it was a particularly well done or realistic, there was a saying in the last scence that stuck with me, and I think is how we all must live going forward. It was :

    Learn from yesterday;

    Live for today;

    Hope for tomorrow.

    I thought it was a perfect metaphor for our journey.

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    Hello ladies, how r u all feeling today? hope u r all doing great with the least SE on this weekend. woke up today better than the last few days, ice cream yesterday tasted weird:) but it was fun:)

    Big hugs to all

  • dexxy
    dexxy Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2011

    missswim - I agree with everyone feeling like once chemo was over that everything would go back to normal.  Guess what? I'll never be the same person, none of us will.  I sometimes want to scream it out loud.  my husband, who i love, just thinks I should be fine now.  I've been fine all through this and been very strong.  But hey it would be nice to not have to be sometimes you know?  I find myself really thinking about the future and how I want to continue, I feel I'm at a crossroad in life and need to choose the right direction FOR ME.  Those of you who have kids have it so much harder, but then you also have people in your life who will be there in the end.  I'm thinking of you all and hope this was a great weekend

  • sandy115
    sandy115 Member Posts: 172
    edited October 2011

    Hi to everyone hope you all having a great weekend.J Bug I hope you get all your questions answered when your oncol returns and hopeing the tumor has shrunk alot, Thinking of you misswim hope you are feeling better you have had a hard time during Chemo too.I am in the chair tommorow Treatment # 5 I hope it goes better than last chemo severe b one pain in bed for 2 weeks.I asked the oncol to change thae taxatore like you Rabbit and give me Taxol but he would not change it he said its expected for me to had bone pain.So he will reduce the amount a little I hope this works.I dont know how some of you work through this its amazing how strong you are.I think its a good day if i get out to the store or go for a walk and this time its been 3 weeks since I went for a walk got to start getting back into that.Anyway after tommorows treatment only one more chemo to go Can't wait.

  • rabbit
    rabbit Member Posts: 613
    edited October 2011

    misswim, I grabbed your saying, love it and it's so true for our journey!

    Hi to all...gotta catchup on work, love you ladies!!!  

  • shinypop
    shinypop Member Posts: 107
    edited October 2011

    Happy Football Sunday!!! Well, for me at least. lol. I was wondering... is anyone having issues with rashes? I've got a rash on my neck and another on my tuckus. I'm wondering if the tushie one is a heat rash, although I've had it for more than a month. I know, I know, go see a doctor. I guess I just didn't realize how much it was bothering me until I had my mother (poor thing) look at it and take a photo for me. The rash on my neck has come and gone and come back again. Yay! Just in time for a black tie event and I can't hide it. At least it will be dark. Okay, back to football. 

  • khs113
    khs113 Member Posts: 105
    edited October 2011

    Dexxy---I agree with you. Where did I hear someone say it's a "new normal"? Describes it pretty well.Watched "Five" . It was OK,made me cry. I identified with Rosario Dawson's character as she walked in to have her lumpectomy. It was an overwhelming feeling of "Welcome to the land of the Sick". Glad to have all you ladies with me throughout all of this. I love being able to share our fears, hopes, symptoms and just plain griping. I have to report that four weeks out of chemo I'm having about 5 good days and then 1 day of lying on the couch. Still have sore leg muscles and am trying,trying to get some exercise but it's tough. No sign of real hair although I do have a halo or peach fuzz on my head and one of my annoying chin hairs is back. Have a good week.

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    dexxy,i totally agree with you,my dear husband is acting like i got the flu or something,this is while i am in mid of chemo!!! He traveled and stayed with his family before my first chemo and came back after my second!!! and on my third one,which was last Wed. he told me i was being so selfish and not taking enough care of him and that he is going to germany(as a business trip,although i remember it wasn't urgent)but that is ok,better than having him aroundLaughingYAAAAAAAAAAY

    so yes,what we r going through is not "normal"!!!! and it will never be.And i made sure i made that clear for himLaughingPeople should know that already!!!!!!!

    And i too sometimes feel like screaming it to the world,i know that when i am done it will never ever be over,it's not something i can forget about after few months!!!

    shinypop,i have rashes now behind my ears!!!!sooo annoying!(bed time worse)!!! they just suddenly appeared two days ago.i was so tired to ask my onc.about it.didnt bother,waiting for it to just disappear maybe.Cool

    Have a great week everyone.

    nity

    HUGS HUGS HUGS

  • ANA_424
    ANA_424 Member Posts: 109
    edited October 2011

    Good morning, amazing women! I've thought of all of you so much, even though I have not been posting. I'm about 5.5 weeks PFC and am still struggling with my energy level. Had hoped I could report more positively! I think it is sleep issues, more than anything else. Hot flashes, possibly drug reactions and a little anxiety thrown in do not make for a good night's sleep!

    I started taking Tamoxifen a few weeks ago and have not noticed any particular side effects from that. I already had hot flashes and have not seen much change there. I started taking Effexor to try to help the flashes but don't know yet if that will work. I think it takes a while.

    I think initiallly, I tried to do too much too soon after chemo, so have backed off and am still being very protective of my time and energy. I have my exchange surgery scheduled for the 28th, so am looking forward to getting that done. After that, I should really feel like I am able to recover without any other setbacks on the schedule.

    J-bug - I really hope you get some answers to your questions about the MRIs. I know it must be incredibly frustrating to contemplate a change in treatment plan at this point. I hope they are able to continue as planned.

    Missswim - hope you are feeling better.

    rabbit and kk11 - hope the neuropathy and nail pain gets better soon! I've only had a bit of the nail soreness and that is mostly gone, although my nails are discolored.

    Oh - as far as hair goes, I've noticed some longer grey hairs that have probably been growing all along. Apparently, chemo did not kill my greys ;-). And now there is peach fuzz starting. Not what I expected - it will be interesting to see how this regrowth happens!

    Wishing all of you the best this week!

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