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  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited October 2011

    I had annual all clear mammograms for 10 years...from 40 to 50. The 11th year they decided I could go every other year since I had little risks and no family history. My right breast looked smaller and firmer...Dr. said no...just menopausal changes may be coming on...no...I said...I see orange peel skin and inverted nipple...something is not right...

    10 plus cm. ILC. Lots of nodes positive and extra-nodal extension...chemo failed me, rads, tamox...

    I wondered if I had better rad docs looking at my films if it would have went on for so long...Oncologist said it was there at least ten years...grade 1...slower growing...no symptoms to speak of until  the thickening and shrinking...all very sudden in a month or two  the changes came on.  I would get a bad virus or bug most winters that would linger and linger...lots of blood work but no one ever connected the elevated WBC to Breast Cancer...thought it was the virus ....

    2 1/2 years out from diagnosis...almost done with delayed uni-stacked DIEP recon. Hair is back and energy too...

    Mammograms failed me...I am aware...give me a cure...I will be part of the Vaccine trial at Mayo Rochester next year....

    long may we run....

  • rachelvk
    rachelvk Member Posts: 1,411
    edited October 2011

    I found mine. A few weeks before my gyn appointment in July, I thought I felt a rice-like bump in the side of my left underarm. I mentioned it to my doctor and he didn't feel it, but told me to have an ultrasound when I did my regular mammo, which was due for Oct. Not even a week later, out of nowhere pops this mini ping-pong ball in my right breast! Now I know both my doctor and I had done what I would consider a thorough check. As it turned out, whatever it was in my left side turned out to be nothing, but I wonder if I being concerned about that made me more alert so that I noticed the lump sooner.

  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited October 2011

    5 years ago this Sunday, October 16, 2006 - I went in for a breast reduction.  I had had a clean mammogram and ultrasound 3 months prior. Just had my 48th birthday.  I had annual mammograms since age 40, no family history, just big big boobs - I'm talking 36J here. Just always had a feeling my girls would betray me... sigh.

    10 days after the reduction, I was in my PS's office for a check up, and he gently told me that while he was doing the reduction he saw some grey tissue that did not look normal, and he cut it out separately - the pathology had just come back that day - 1.7 cm. IDC triple positive tumour.  He was hoping it was nothing, yeah well the rest is history.  A breast MRI before my mastectomy found another 1 cm. tumour in the same breast.

    Only then was I told of my "extremely dense" breasts, and how mammograms are basically useless for us dense breasted gals.  All the docs says this breast reduction basically saved my life, that the tumours could have grown another few years before it would have been felt or seen on a mammo.

    I make it my business to tell every woman I know to make sure the density % is clearly marked on their mammogram reports, and if it's high - DEMAND a breast MRI.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Susan - thanks for starting this thread, I am finding the replies so interesting, also, thanks to all the ladies here who have shared their stories...it is truely amazing to read through this thread and see the various paths that led to bc. wishing you all the best...

  • Judy67
    Judy67 Member Posts: 361
    edited October 2011
    Jenn333 - Women not realizing their dense tissue makes their mammogram less reliable is a big problem.  As of now only two states address this issue legally.  Conneticutt passed a law 3 years ago and just a few months ago Texas passed Texas Act HB2102, known as "Henda's Law" (after BC survivor Henda Salmeron whose breast cancer was not picked up on her mammo due to dense tissue).  The law mandates the inclusion of breast density risk in the report sent to women after their mammogram.   My friend just got this after her mammo and her report also told her she could get an MRI as an additional prevention.  I hope more states go this route soon so more women can get earlier detection.
  • Judy67
    Judy67 Member Posts: 361
    edited October 2011

    My cancer was found with a mammogram and I'm ashamed to say it had been 3+ years since my previous mammo.  I am fortunate that it was caught early in a digital mammogram.  It did not show up on my MRI and it was not palpable.

    Also, I am the first in my family to have breast cancer.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    about breast density, there is a website and facebook page ARE YOU DENSE, INC that follows this issue, I agree it is so important to a women's health to know this info...

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2011

    at 43 I had some minor pain in my left breast when pressing on it near the side. My GP at the time checked and said it was connective tissue. It never went away but never got worse.

    At 45 I had a mammo that  required a follow up US. Again everyone (including BS) felt there was nothing there.

    At 45 my gyno retired. I didn't get the noticed till 1 month after she retired. Skipped gyno and mammo that year.

    At 47 & 48 new Gyno and did get mammo. I remember the tech saying she needed to take another picture of the left breast because of that little small mishapen part that she didn't get.

    At 49 had gyn (same gyn as age 47-48) appointment 5 weeks before scheduled mammo (no she didn't seem to notice the large hard mass or the mishapen part that the tech noticed the year prior). I noted bloody discharged the day before mammo so gyn upped it to diagnostic. During the US the tech said "what is this  hard area? Is it always this hard" (Yes I was scared). Radiologist report recommended biopsy and MRI but stated "Not typical of breast cancer." I then switched all my doctors/radiologist etc  to the hospital my BS practiced.

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    Had I been more knowledgeable I feel I would have pushed for more testing and caught this at the very least 1 year earlier. My gyn F-d up big time… and this is not even the full story.

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    edited to add that a small amount of LCIS was found in the other breast when they did the MRI before surgery. Tumor on the otherside was 6.5cm including non invasive part. My former breasts were dense tissue barely 34A/B cup. How the hell did they miss that!

  • susanwmcg
    susanwmcg Member Posts: 76
    edited October 2011

    My mammo in December was clear...I have had them annually for 10 years. I turned 50 in April and had tried to lose weight before my birthday. My bras were not fitting so I was fiddling with my boobs one day in May and felt the lump. Waited to get my period to see if it was just a cyst. It didn't go away so saw my OB who ordered ultrasound and a mammo. Saw BS next day. Both my BS and my PS have commented how rare it is to feel a 1.4 cm lump.



    I had heard tumors found between mammograms are called interval tumors. Not sure about the significance.

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited October 2011

    Yeah...I wish I had been more knowledgeable too. I was lulled into a false sense of security...I did self exams, I did mammos, no risk factors or family history....no one ever said dense breasts until after the cancer...

    The digital ultrasound done locally showed the tumor mass to be 2.5 cms. The 5 Dr. team at the Mayo all felt it manually and concurred; 2.5 cms. The MRI showed it at 8 cms. and the removal at surgery was 10.5 cms.

    I now get mammos on remaining breast because the oncologist feels that they do catch other cancers but not ILC as much. I insisted on MRI's as well. I was not menopausal at diagnosis. I had 36D breast size, breast fed two children but still had large dense breasts. Never even remember hearing about  dense breasts being an issue with mammograms.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited October 2011

    I knew I had lumpy, dense breasts, but didn't know it affected mammo results. I'd had a baseline mammo years ago, but found the lump myself while fiddling with an ill-fitting bra. It took a month to go through Dr.'s exam, mammo, US, biopsy, meeting with the surgeon, who told me I needed chemo first, meeting with the oncologist who signed me up for an aggressive clinical trial, get a port put in and start chemo - whew! And in that month, it went from marble-sized to 4.5 cm! It was as aggressive as they come, and triple-negative.

  • amsk
    amsk Member Posts: 108
    edited October 2011

    Having read through all of these posts has been most interesting.  I was looking for a scenario similar to mine but have not seen one.

    I have had a lump in my right breast for years.  I then noticed a second smaller lump closer to the nipple - also years ago (literally).  I have brought these lumps to the attention of my doctors.  I have had diagostic mamms (including u/s).  I have been consistently told "nothing to worry about".  At one point (I think back in 2007), someone told me that I could get it biopsied "if I wanted to".  I really didn't want to "seek out" a biopsy.  Given the way it was proposed - kind of to placate me, I decided I was being silly and didn't schedule the biopsy.

    Next mamm I had was a diagnostic mamm. (around 08/09).  The dr asked me why I hadn't gotten the biopsy that was noted in my records.  I explained that I had been told the lump was nothing to worry about and so felt I had brought the biopsy down on myself and therefore didn't pursue it.  He told me "well, you guessed right -- nothing to worry about"!!  So I went on my merry way.

    Got a mamm June of 2010.  No problem (dense breast tissue of course).

    Fast forward to week before last.  Get another diagnostic mamm.  Radiologist takes a LONG time w/ u/s.  Schedules me for a biopsy asap.  Went for the biopsy last Tuesday.  Before the radiologist even started the biopsy - she said to me "I assume someone has told you that you have breast cancer".  I asked her if she was sure -- she said yes, 100%.

    How could it suddenly become so obvious, even without a biopsy, that the SAME LUMP was suddenly cancer???  Oh  - and of course it turns out that the other smaller lump is cancer too.

    To say I am kicking myself for not being my own health advocate and having the biopsy done back in 2007 is an understatement.  Still - how could the cancer have not been detected or at least suspected on subsequent mamms and u/s??

    Painful lesson learned.  I found the lump - years ago, but was told "nothing to worry about".   

  • theresa45
    theresa45 Member Posts: 314
    edited October 2011

    I found my lump myself.  They put a marker on top of the palpable lump and STILL could not see it on the mammogram.  However, it showed clearly on ultrasound and later on MRI.  I have a family history of breast cancer, so I had yearly mammograms.  Still nobody ever told me that I had extremely dense breast tissue.  Also, I didn't know that dense breast tissue puts you at increased risk for breast cancer and that it makes mammograms less reliable. 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2011

    Regarding breast MRI... following my diagnosis and as part of a BS second opinion recommendation, I had a breast MRI, just to see if anything the mammogram and biopsy had missed. The right breast showed only what had been found before, low grade DCIS, and the left was completely clear. I still proceeded with my UMX and have not looked back since.

  • sunny1157
    sunny1157 Member Posts: 24
    edited October 2011

    Mine was found on routine yearly mammogram.  Showed up at calcifications and given BIRADS 4.  I had a stereotactic biopsy which showed DCIS.

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited October 2011

    I had been getting annual mammograms since I was 40. The year I was 49, my tumor was spotted on my mammogram. Nothing had showed up the year before. I never felt it myself, and none of my doctors could feel it either, even though they knew exactly where it was.

    Thinking back over the years, I recall having a "letting down" feeling-similar to when my milk would come in when I was nursing my children- in that exact part of my breast about 10 years ago. I told my doctor about the feeling, and nothing ever showed up on my mammogram then, so I stopped worrying about it, and it eventually went away. I now wonder if that was a precursor to my cancer. I'll never know.....

    Mary 

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    hey beautiful ladies,im 28 so i wasn't really thinking of mammograms or self exams,but i had a burning feeling in my left breast ,then after a month it turned into a lump,it scared me,went to surgeon,said it was a cyst but need an ultrasound. did ultrasound,turned out to be a cyst but underneath the cyst was my 5.5 flat IDC hiding!!:)found out the real size after surgery though. i was told if it was not for the cyst,i would have never found out about it until it was too late!!! so i think i was lucky:)(my lucky cyst)!had a mastectomy, in mid of chemo now then radiation then reconstruction then pill for 5 years.YAAAAYLaughing

    Good luck everyone

    Hugs to all

  • chele
    chele Member Posts: 1,465
    edited October 2011

    I found mine. I had been having yearly mammo's, but had skipped the one I should have had in 2008. I'll always wonder if I had had my mammo in 2008 would the cancer have been found early enough to prevent spreading.

  • ProudMom_Wife
    ProudMom_Wife Member Posts: 634
    edited October 2011

    Having mammograms yearly since mid-30s.  Always did monthly self exams. 

    At 40 had intermittent pain in left breast, doctor scheduled mammogram early to check and it showed something, had ultra sound and biopsied 4 spots in left breast, all B9.  However doctor decided I should have 6 month clinical checks at breast center, which I did like clockwork.

    Continued yearly mammograms (always got called back for a more detailed mammogram on left side) and monthly self exams.  Doctor asked me if after I had my yearly mammogram at 45 if I would be willing to have an MRI as a precaution, even if insurance would not pay, and I said I would.

    Had yearly mammogram at 45, called back again, this time found two items of interest in left breast, had ultra sound, then biopsy, found DCIS and IDC.  Had MRI which insurance paid for to see if they could find anything else, only additional finding was BIRAD 3 in right breast.  

    No one ever felt either tumor in my left breast, even when they located it through mammogram or ultra-sound, still could not distinguish them in a physical exam.  I had dense lumpy breasts. 

  • janhart
    janhart Member Posts: 331
    edited October 2011

    Mine was found at my yearly mammogram. Had been going pretty regularly for the past 15 years. At the facility where I go, you can wait and get your results before you leave or sign that you are not waiting (with the chance of being called back if needed). Your results will then be mailed to you. So at my last mammo March 2010, for the first time decided I wouldn't wait for my results. It was a nice day and I was feeling pretty positive that nothing unusual would be found. So I left and ran some errands. The next day my daughter called me at work to say there was a phone message from the place where I had my mammo. Instantly I knew it wasn't good. I had to return for further mammograms and an ultrasound which showed suspicious areas. Biopsy revealed DCIS which I would have never felt. Had my sugary in May, a bilateral mastectomy and needed no further treatment. I feel I am one of the luckier ones, but it could have turned out differently if I had neglected to get my yearly mammogram.

  • PLJ
    PLJ Member Posts: 373
    edited October 2011

    I found it myself. 'Slow' local doctors insisted it was benign and I was told it shrank but it had actually grown. In spite of being sent for a mammo because of visible, palpable mass that they actually marked out, my mammo results came back 'normal'. In reality, the mass was not picked up by mammo...a little nugget of information that I didn't know until after I found out it was cancer. Moral of the story: always get copies of every report and become an expert because sometimes, they really don't know what they are doing.

    Edited out novel to provide more succinct response. :)

    Today is for making memories...enjoy every moment! Dx: May 3/11. 1 cm Mixed Mucinous Carcinoma inside 6 cm DCIS Stage 1, Grade 2, 0/1 Node, Oncotype 16, ER+/PR+, Her2-

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited October 2011
    I found my lump.it hurt.had maybe 3-4 mammos in my life.i was 69 at the time.no family history and had enough problems with migraines and stomach issues that i never even bothered with self exams.it hurt so i went to my internist who sent me for my mammo and the rest is history.short and sweet.bc sure does suk.FIND A DAMN CURE/VACINE.
  • lulubee
    lulubee Member Posts: 1,493
    edited October 2011

    I found it in the shower -- felt a little butterbean on the side of my breast. I waited through a few cycles to see if it would come and go.  I wasn't too worried because it hurt, which I thought meant it wasn't cancer.  But it never changed, so I went for an exam.

    Had a diagnostic mammogram on state-of-the-art digital equipment.  Mammogram was perfectly clear.

    I immediately told the tech that I was not satisfied, that my gut instincts didn't agree with the clean mammo.  They took me straight into the sonogram room.

    The sonogram screen was instantly covered in black rain clouds, and the tech got very quiet.  

    I had multifocal, multicentric, innumerable tumors, both ILC and IDC.  My breast surgeon said my mammogram and my MRI side-by-side didn't look like they could possibly be the same breast -- "Your mammogram is beautiful, and it's the most frightening thing I've ever seen as a BC surgeon -- because your MRI right next to it is lit up like a Christmas tree."

    My lymph nodes were clean.  Had a BMX with lat flap reconstruction.  Three years later, my markers quadrupled.  Within one week, a PET revealed widespread bone mets, and a CT scan revealed pericardial effusion. The next week, post-oophorectomy pathology revealed mets in my ovary membranes.  

    So I guess I was actually Stage IV from the get-go.  Femara is my friend, and the mets are currently under control.

    ~lulubee

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    PLJ ,i just couldnt stop reading!!! wow!!! you really had to fight for it (like you needed that)!!!!!

    best of luck dear

  • lulujune17
    lulujune17 Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    lulubee,u will beat it sweety,we all willKiss 

    wishing you all the best

  • wildrumara
    wildrumara Member Posts: 450
    edited October 2011

    I find it interesting that many women talked about finding the breast lump after they had lost weight....???  Funny thing, I lost 17 lbs. and never even thought that is maybe why I felt the lump...hmmm???  Anyway, I felt a new lumpiness in my right breast at the end of May.  Didn't think much of it at first.  Never really did self-breast exams....maybe 5 times a year???  So I feel the lumpiness and think to myself...."my fibrocystic breasts are getting more cystic?"  Of course, I would feel it off and on for a few more weeks and then had my husband feel it.  He said "it doesn't feel like a lump......it just feels bumpier than usual".  I agreed with him.  I noticed that if felt "lumpier" before my period the next month.....thought to myself that is typical....before my period, my breasts always feel lumpier.  Kept making excuses.  I decide to make an appointment with my GYN.....I always remember hearing that if you feel changes in your breast, have it checked out.  Well, I made the appointment and cancelled it.  Back in February, I made my appointment for my mammogram, so I knew I was going in August for that and figured it if it was something, the mammo would find it.   Well, low and behold, it was something and the mammo found it.  Of course, this was my third mammogram.  The doctor said "you've probably had this cancer for 3-4 years".   So, obviously, the mammo did not pick it up the past three weeks.   Even more interesting is that I had my yearly examination with my GYN in March.  She did not feel anything in March???????   I don't know what to think.......anyway, that's my story!

  • nancyh
    nancyh Member Posts: 2,644
    edited October 2011

    I found it.  I was 32, so too young for screening mammos. 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited October 2011

    PLJ said, "How can you tell someone that their mammo is 'normal' (yup, that is what it reads, normal, no masses etc...) when it doesn't pick up the lump that you went to have evaluated?"

    It does seem odd, doesn't it?  That's the whole problem.  For 2 years in a row, my mammogram report said "No cancer; no changes since last year. Repeat in 1 year."  I never did see a copy of the actual radiologist's report; I just received a form letter with check marks.  I didn't even know back then that it was possible for a patient to ask for a copy of the radiologist's report.  That just wasn't done at my local clinic. The mammo tech would do the mammogram; the films would be sent across town to the hospital for a radiologist to interpret; and the radiologist would (eventually) send a report to my GYN. 

    Since the mammogram was always scheduled to be done after my GYN appt, I never heard any more about the results except for the letter.  Only once did I get a call from my GYN saying the mammogram had to be repeated, and that was after my very first one at age 42 or so.  They wanted a re-do in 6 months instead of a year; but nobody ever told me why. Now I think it must have been because of the density.  The re-take was fine (supposedly).

    The letters I received didn't literally say "Normal", but there was no BIRADS score either.  I never knew my breast tissue "extremely dense," or that it made any difference, until I went to the Breast Health Center to have my lump investigated.

    My GYN was an elderly man -- a founder of that OB/GYN practice -- with a fatherly (paternalistic) attitude toward his patients.  I suspect he was more worried about my anxiety level than the possibility that my lump might actually be malignant.

    One more thing:  at the Breast Health Center where my BC was dx'd and where I still have my mammograms done, they have a rule about lumps.  If there's a palpable lump, they will do an ultrasound exam, even if the mammogram shows nothing out-of-order.  I like that policy.

    otter

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited October 2011

    I found my lump - which did not show up on mammogram, only ultrasound.  I have TCHx6, uni-mx, a year of Herceptin, and 8 months after finishing H I found a small lump at the surface of my skin on the recon breast.  Again, it didn't show up on mammogram, and this time it looked okay even on ultrasound; the radiologist said it was likely a dermal cyst.  My breast surgeon suggested it should come out anyway, and it was found to be a localized recurrence.  Not trusting imaging so much right now ...

  • three17
    three17 Member Posts: 72
    edited October 2011

    I too get yearly exams, since 32, because of a family history. I also did yearly exams on "good years" Now I'm 43, and by chance felt a bump that wasn't there before. Sone internal instinct told me to request the mammo, and then the ultra when the did notice something.  I will promote self exams from now on.

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