August 2011 chemo, anyone w/ me?!

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  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2011

    Binney4 , thxs for your advice on Lympedema , I am so terrifed of getting it, I didnt know much about it , when first diagnosed they said 1 noid was infected and my BS just said he would do an axillary noid clearance I had no idea I could have got a SNB I didnt understand any of it and was in such shock after being diagnosed I didnt know much of what was going on but after surgery the girl in the ward with me had developed a severe case of it and her arm was enormous and it really shocked me when I asked my BS about my risks he just shrugged it off and told me a couple of things to avoid and the nurses said I shouldnt be at too much risk as I am very thin, and she said it typically happens to overweight people, but I have read a lot on it since and although I havent had any swelling I just dont know what to watch for as my arm is still feeling funny post surgery and I still get nerve pains and some general pain in my arm and it gets tired easily so I dont know if thats just healing or is it early signs of LE .do you know if you can use deodorant some say yes and some say no , I am so confused and really dont want to get 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Summergirl, learning about lymphedema -- how to recognize it, what to do if you develop problems -- can really help reduce the fear. How about asking for a referral from any doctor on your team for an evaluation by a well-trained lymphedema therapist? Here's how to find one near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    A visit with a therapist will give you baseline arm measurements for future reference, personalized risk reduction tips, instruction in a simple prophylactic lymph massage, and fitting for a sleeve and glove or gauntlet for travel and exercise. 

    One of the problems we face as bc veterans is that medical professionals often lack training in lymphedema and accurate information. While it's true that weight gain can increase risk, it is only one of many risk factors, many of them unpredictable. Many of us on the lymphedema board here are small, trim and fit. There just are no "safe" assumptions about risk, which is why a trained lymphedema professional can be so helpful.

    Deodorant use has no relationship to lymphedema risk that I know of, though anything that irritates your skin can be a risk.

    Gentle hugs,
    Binney 

  • missey29
    missey29 Member Posts: 48
    edited October 2011

    Thanks for the tips Grimbol. will give it a try. I'm an emotional wreck. Had to take my Lorazipam. This all ways happens right before my Thursday appointment with the needles. Yell

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    Tomorrow is it! Very last time! I go this afternoon so they can mess with my port so that it will hopefully work better tomorrow! I'm so excited to be finishing, but I still don't feel like I've fully recovered from the last time, so I really don't want to do this again! DD 31 is taking me, and then to the genetic counselors on Monday. Next Thursday is simulation and CT for radiation.

    Working this afternoon. Trying to close one more case! 

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited October 2011

    Yea! Robyn! It feels soooooo good to be over. My gums are getting all pitty and gross, but I'm ok w/ it - because it is the LAST time. I keep talking to my body, saying "hang in there, this is it, you can do it!" And, yes, I didn't feel up to snuff either going in for the last one, but so far I'm doing well. I'm tired. Still on the steroids, so the big crash will probably hit sat. I take them for 4 days after, it helps lessen the bone pain and muscle aches. I don't get into the radiation stuff for 2 weeks, so you're ahead of me on that score. Big Hug!!!

  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited October 2011

    I had no 4 yesterday, 2 more to go.  The SEs havent really hit yet, although the nausea seems to be worse this time.  I don't get steroids only at the infusion, must depend on the mix you get. So I am tired.  However, I was really pleased, all my levels were up yesterday from the previous time.  My Hgb was up as were the WBC.  Go back this afternoon for the nasty neulasta.

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2011

    Hi ALL     Have a question : I havent had a menstrual cycle since May and was told I would probably go into early menopause.and they would stop during chemo.  I am 47 so it probably would have happened soon anyway , but today it started back Im confused should this be happening ? or should I be worried any one else have this happen 

  • Vivie
    Vivie Member Posts: 52
    edited October 2011

    summergirl , I always had my menstrual , even now through chemo..and I always had an irregular cycle..now it's SO regular that it drives me up the wall really! Everyone told me , no period during chemo , and after I'll go on fake menopause for 5 yrs..ummm , apparently NO.So far it's pretty normal although my onco is amazed my body is able to produce enough hormones for period.

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    Summergirl - I had a thermal ablation in 1998, so no real periods since, just occasional spotting. Hadn't noticed any spotting or PMS symptoms for months before we found the lump, and then everybody started asking, and I couldn't remember how long it had been. So they did blood work and told me I was post menopausal (I'm 48). I was all happy and excited, no hot flashes, nothing...then on the day of my first chemo I was spotting again, for the first time in months...maybe a year. Docs just shrugged it off and said no worries. I'd mention it to them, but I don't think it's anything to worry about. Menopause doesn't happen overnight, and our hormones are so messed up by all this stuff! 

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2011

    Thxs Rogyn6463 , I know I shouldnt panic but as my periods were always like clockwork every 28 days until I had my surgery and then they stopped , I started thinking all sorts of stuff Im probably just panicking over nothing but this stupid BC has made me like this ,  I will call them tommorrow .

  • summergirl1
    summergirl1 Member Posts: 182
    edited October 2011

    sorry meant to say THXS  Robyn6463 and Vivie  

  • Tanya62
    Tanya62 Member Posts: 8
    edited October 2011

    Hi.  Does anybody have problems with their tongue?  I had chemo last Thursday and all this week my tongue has been "raw" and burning, like it does if you eat soup to fast, only it lasts longer and is worse.  I can hardly enjoy eating food.  Is this an infection or normal?  I dont have a fever, its just irritating.

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2011

    Tanya62, I had sores on the side and bottom of my tonge after my 4th tx. My tongue felt like it was 3x it's normal size! My ONC gave me a prescription for magic mouthwash and they cleared up within a day or two.



    Summergirl, I had a Mirena IUD for the last two years so my periods were very light - more like spotting. I had a little bit of spotting about 2 weeks after my first tx and nothing since.

  • DebinUtah
    DebinUtah Member Posts: 75
    edited October 2011

    Congrats to Robyn!  I hope you treat yourself to something wonderful after all this (a pink Lexus?); you deserve it! 

    Tanya--I just finished round 4 last week and my mouth has felt exactly as you describe since the first round--raw, sore but weirdly numb like I've burned it on hot food.  But, like Robo47, it hasn't stopped me from eating!  Mine has just become a kind of gnawing inconvenience, but if it's really hurting you, get some of that Magic Mouthwash Michelle mentioned.

    YaYa5--are you out there? are you doing okay? Today is Day 7 of round 4 for me, and I feel much weaker and shakier than I have on Day 7 of any other round. How 'bout you? Geez, I hate to think what round 5 will be like.  I can't think that far ahead.  One day at a time, right?

    Love and peace to all.

  • YaYa5
    YaYa5 Member Posts: 667
    edited October 2011
    deb, i'm here!  day 7 wasn't that great for me either and i had the exact same feelings you do of being weak and shaky.  i began to feel a lot better by day 9 and 10.  ugh ... i really dread #5, too. but just think: only two more and we're done!!!  i hope you feel better soon.
  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    Hmmm... a pink Lexus??? Not a bad idea. I think my husband might approve of that before the golden retriever puppy I've got in mind! He's been such a jerk lately...I'm so disappointed in many members of my family, I've got to just focus on the friends and family that have been there and been SO supportive! I should have remembered that when my Mom was sick, I was on my own taking care of her, nobody else stepped up, so why would they do it for me now? My oldest daughter has done a lot, as have a couple of friends, but the people that disappointed me when my Mom was sick have disappointed me yet again. Why am I surprised?

    At any rate, today is it! Last treatment! Woohoo! They accessed my port yesterday, and I've still got the needle in. Does anyone know if I can shower with this thing? I think I will, 'cause nobody said not to! Anyway, it should save the three hours it has taken to get the port working each time. I think it's the nurse. Every time she tries it we mess around for 2 1/2-3 hours, but two other nurses have managed to access it immediately. She's very nice, knowledgeable, and otherwise very professional, so I feel funny saying something, but could this really be a coincidence? 

    I can't wait for this to be over! Then I can think about getting through radiation! It's going to happen soon! 

    Have a great day everybody! And thank you ALL for being there for me when I need it! I would never have made it without this group! 

  • jbagley
    jbagley Member Posts: 102
    edited October 2011

    Today is day 12 and I am just starting to feel a little better. Taxol is hitting me harder then I thought it would. My toes are so numb and tingly to the joint. Anyone else have that? My mouth tastes like someone had taken a brillo pad a scrubbed hard. Taste is awful.



    I have 2 taxol left. Can't wait.



    Congratulations Ellen Robyn!!!



    Loves too all. Hugs

    Jenn

  • Taylor777
    Taylor777 Member Posts: 141
    edited October 2011
    Congratulations Robyn!!!!!! You deserve that pink lexus Smile
  • Grimbol
    Grimbol Member Posts: 326
    edited October 2011

    Jenn< I have the tingling hands and feet, it seems to ease up somewhat between treatments, but it is cummulative, so after no 4 this week I'm expecting thigs to get worse again any day now.  I don't have the same tongue thing though.

  • allformy4
    allformy4 Member Posts: 33
    edited October 2011

    binney -thanks for the info on Lymphedema -I was actually going to ask you that mysel!  I had 26 nodes taken and now I am upset after hearing that its not necessary....but I did have 3 positive (lumped togethr, so maybe more)  I go to PT, but I am thinking I need more --I am numb to my elbow, and of course its my primary arm.  I am just upset b/c I don't know if I can do my normal things -paint, garden etc....I am always checking my arm!!!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Allfor, not every PT is trained to evaluate and treat lymphedema. It's a specialty. But it's well worth hooking up with one to help you safely through your return to all those normal things. BC is a steep learning curve, yes?!Tongue out

    Lots of risk management information on these two sites:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    http://www.lymphnet.org  (See their Position Papers on Risk Reduction, Exercise, and Air Travel -- they're along the right-hand side of the page, near the bottom)

    Be well!
    Binney

  • JMULL
    JMULL Member Posts: 46
    edited October 2011

    Hey Ladies - so need to vent .... I finally picked up the cold my 3 year old has been hanging onto for the last week.  I call the MO office first thing this morning to find out if I can take any OTC cold medicines.  Of course, I have to leave a message for someone to get back to me so I leave my cell number since I am at work.  Just got home to find out that they returned my call at 10:30 this morning to my home number!  So frustrating!  Especially since when they call to remind me about my appointments that the call both home and cell.  And now the office is closed....

    So do any of you know if we can take any sort of cold medicines?

    Congrats Robyn on being done.  Yay you!

    Hope everyone has a great weekend.  I spent all last weekend in bed so this one has got to be better.  Have my first round of Taxol next Wednesday.  Not really looking forward to that. *sigh*

  • DebinUtah
    DebinUtah Member Posts: 75
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, YaYa. Good to hear you're feeling better! Day 8 has been significantly better for me than the last 7, although last night I had a bit of a breakdown. I'm trying to keep a stiff upper lip, but sometimes it's all so overwhelming.  I HATE that I'm so emotional!  When my husband is super sweet, I cry; when he's not super sweet, I cry.  The poor man. I swear that he's just hanging on to the thought that in about 8 weeks all this will be over.  And I'm just scared that I'll be as tired, sick, crazy, and emotional on rads and on the hormone blockers as I am now!  No, it's got to get better than this!

    JMULL--my onc recommends a mixture of Claritin and Aleve for any bone/muscle pain I'm having; I wonder if that combo would help with your cold.  The nausea drug Phenergren is actually an anti-histamine and might help too.  Good luck!  I had a cold during my first round, and it was miserable.  I was really congested and when I'd blow my nose, all this blood would come out.  My PN's suggestion was that I not blow my nose.  Really? 

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    DONE!!!! And today went so much smoother than before, 9-12:45 and I was done! Much better than the 6-9 hours each transfusion has taken while they messed with my port! I know I'm about to feel cruddy for the next few weeks, but this time I don't have to cry and find the courage to do it again, so I think maybe a more positive attitude will help me deal with it all.

    On Monday, which will probably be my worst day, I meet with the genetic counselors. MO and I decided today on an oopherectomy in January, regardless of the genetic testing. That test will now simply determine if the uterus goes with the ovaries or not. She wants me to get rid of the estrogen production completely, and I agree. It makes a difference on my meds, too, 5 years instead of 7. And less of a risk of bone loss. I don't know what I'll do about my breasts if I've got the gene yet. I'd like to keep them, but it depends on my risk I guess.

    Thursday I have the simulation, tattoos, CT scan, etc., and my friend Susan showed me the room and machine and told me it really isn't all that scary. I shouldn't need anti-anxiety meds, but I can take them if I want, and she'll make sure I get home safely one way or another. She REALLY helped alleviate some of my fear! She's AWESOME! (My oldest daughter's MIL happens to be the receptionist at the radiation cener),

    Hmm..what else. Port out in 3-4 weeks. Thank God! I can see the eye doc in December, my eyes should be back to "normal" by then. 

    Doc actually wrote me the presciption for the drugs I'll start taking in January, to help me use up my flexible spending plan balance for this year, I've got stuck with almost $800 left in there, so this might help. So will the glasses. 

    Flowers from my oldest daughter today, and the flower delivery store just called for directions, so more on the way. I got an awesome book in the mail from a co-worker, a couple of cards. It's really been an awesome day overall. It's a good thing, 'cause my husband's still being A HUGE JERK! But Doc agreed, the golden retriever puppy is an awesome way to finish this up. She's going to get one from the same litter:-) 

    Hang in there everybody! WE WILL ALL GET THROUGH THIS! 

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    Oh yeah, I backed into my actual radiation start date, it's 11/7.

  • michelleo13
    michelleo13 Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2011

    YAY Robyn!!!!!  Woo Hoo...another one of us done this journey!  One month from tomorrow and I'll be done too!

  • JMULL
    JMULL Member Posts: 46
    edited October 2011

    DebinUtah - Not blow your nose?  Nice.  What were you supposed to do, just let it run down your face?  sheesh.  Thanks for the advice.  My MO's office ended up calling again - after hours no less - to let me know that I could indeed take OTC meds.  I think they were worried I was running a fever and wanted to make sure I wasn't.

  • vtellen
    vtellen Member Posts: 345
    edited October 2011

    JMULL- try vaseline in your nose. I use a Q tip and rub gently on the septum. It isn't pleasant, but it stops the bleeding, which in my case is usually from irritated blood vessels. It will take a couple of days, and you can then blow carefully. I get this problem everytime I have a cold.

    Robyn- Hey there fellow finisher! Wish we could meet somewhere between Salisbury and Bennington! BIG high five! We did it! What is up w/ your husband? I'm sorry to hear he isn't mustering up much support for you, that isn't helpful! I am moved to pieces at how wonderful my guy is being, still there are days when I think " Really, Scott, do you honestly think that I should be the one to do blah blah.... "  I often find myself wondering how good I would be if the shoe was on the other foot. Scott is definitely the more patient and more nurturing one of the two of us. Good luck w/ your final round of SEs. Mine have been milder so far, sorta. I am able to bull through more easily knowing " this is the last time I will feel this way!" knock on wood, of course.....  Oh, I am also doing the genetic test. Why are you removing your ovaries? Did you have the test yet? I'm confused.

  • Robyn6463
    Robyn6463 Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2011

    No test yet...discussion with MO yesterday, and because of my age, family history, and the chance that I'm still producing estrogen she agrees that the ovaries should come out. We'll know after the testing whether the uterus is going with them! Evidently, an oopherectomy reduces the chance of recurrance to ER+ tumors. Also, breast cancer increases your risk of ovarian cancer...I just want them gone!

    I was thinking we should meet! When I'm feeling good and working full time, I get through Rutland quite frequently. We should meet for lunch! 

    I agree with the attitude about the S/E's. I almost feel like "Bring it on, just this one last time!" Mostly I'm really tired. Flushed, indigestion. Okay, I guess not so great, but it's all in the attitude! 

  • oaktownmom
    oaktownmom Member Posts: 114
    edited October 2011

    Hi everyone - I'm about 9 weeks into chemo now (4 DD AC complete and 1/12 taxol), and at the ripe old age of 39 the menopause symptoms are kicking in big time.  The worst of it for me has been the insomnia - I haven't slept more than about 5 hours a night in 10 days.  I started taking Ambien 3 days ago before bed (5 mg), but it doesn't seem to be helping.  Ativan doesn't work for me either.  Anybody else having issues?  Any suggestions for dealing with the insomnia?  I am so exhausted.  I'll be going on Tamoxifan after finishing chemo, as well as either lupron or oopherectomy, so I guess I'm going to be dealing with this for a long time to come.  Breast cancer - the gift that keeps on giving.

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