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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Kira 1234, the one that I buy is packed with seeds and figs. So it goes well with nut butters like tahini and almond.

    Check out the company's website http://www.mannaorganicbakery.com/.  The company makes a variety of healthy breads that you can order online that are more appropriate for sandwichs. The grocery store that I shop at doesn't carry the whole product line.

    You could try making manna bread. That's if you can find organic sprouted wheat. There  is a recipe that I've been meaning to try on  http://www.cookingwiththebible.com/. Search "Date Manna Bread".  For now, it's more convenient for me just to buy manna bread.  

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    So it has wheat in it. Now that I am on Femara I try to eat gluten free. It really helps with the joint pain. I guess I will just continue with the organic bread that is glutin free and heavy.

    By the way I read a really interesting article about the importance of how we cook our food. Here is the web site.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111005170730.htm

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited October 2011

    Hi ladies, just saw this thread and I like it!  I hope it continues on a positive theme.  I'm a long-standing member of the natural girls thread in the holistic section.  My treatments were in 05, chemo/surgery/rads/tamoxifen/more surgery.  By the time I got through rads, I was sooooooooooo tired.  My bones hurt, nausea plagued me for two more years, hot flashes were beyond the pale. Plus, I was more than a bit paranoid about heart damage that both chemo and rads can cause.  

    So I started walking.  Hell if I was going to endure all those nasty treatments just to croak from a heart attack!  I'm still in the habit 6, going on 7, years later.  Plus, I decided I figure out what is the healthiest diet and eat that way to reduce my risk of recurrence.  Well, that gets complicated real fast.  Lots of very smart people have widely differing opinions about meat, dairy, soy. 

    I discovered I can read and talk about food and nutrition without ever getting tired of it.   I've been learning something new every day since, well, my dx in 12/04, with a shift toward nutrition and lifestyle in 08.  Then a school that caught my eye in NYC began offering their program through distance learning.  Now I'm a student at the Institute of Integrative Nutrition.  I'm loving every minute of it.  They get top of the line speakers.  Just last month they had a conference in NYC and Deepak Chopra was their keynote speaker!  And I got to be there!  I've been a fan of Deepak Chopra for a long time, and now I've been in the same room with him.  

    So anyway, the main thing I wanted to mention at this point of the thread is some suggested reading -- http://blog.integrativenutrition.com/   My school has a blog that is just the right 'serving size' for people who have a cazillion choices for things to read.  Content is varied and easy to read.  Sometimes it's recipes, sometimes lifestyle tips, or current event commentaries.  It's a marketing tool, too, for the school, to get people interested in their program -- so if that's a turnoff, then ignore that aspect or just read something else.  I'm mentioning it here because I think this new group of natural girls might enjoy it.  

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    althea, You were a great help to me when I was first diagnosed last year. Thanks for the thread!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Althea, welcome. I love Deepak Chopra. I hope at some point we could discuss his spiritual principles on this thread.   

    Kira 1234. From what I've read, for people who have celiac disease, absolutely no type of wheat  is good for them.  That's because of the protein gluten.   I don't have celiac disease.  Some people, like me, have wheat allergy or gluten intolerance where small amounts of wheat are tolerated. That is where my nerves don't act up.

    Generally, sprouted wheat bread is better tolerated than bread made with refined wheat or whole wheat flour. The reasoning  is the sprouting sparks an enzymatic action that works to help break down the gluten. This make the wheat much easier to digest. I've never had sour dough. But apparently, sourdough bread is usually tolerated by those who are gluten-sensitive. I see that the site I mentioned sells it. I may order it at some point to see and how my body reacts. 

    Hugs,

    Sharon

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    Sharon I don't have celiac disease just sensitive since on Femara. I didn't know some can tolerate sour dough bread. I will pick some up at the health food store, and see how it goes. I know my health food store sells Ezekiel bread that is made from sprouted wheat. I've tried it, and it is great toasted, but no so good for sandwiches.

    Thanks so much for the info.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    SAB, welcome. It sounds like you are being really proactive about your health. Like many, I've all had my share of ups and downs on my health journey too. The important thing is to never get discouraged and keep your eyes on your health goals. Congrats on the weight loss. You go girl!

    Hugs

    Sharon

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited October 2011
    Princess-Is the raw almond butter a dairy product?and what is in it?As i do not eat any dairy....since  gave up the dary i have not gotten one mgraine.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011
    grannydukes: No. raw almond butter has one ingredient, raw almonds. That's it. It is delicious. Foods that have basic ingredients taste so much better, to me, than  those that have ingredients my grandmother wouldn't recognize. 
  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    Can I find raw almond butter at the store? It sounds like it would be yummy.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Kira 1234, check your local super markets. If they have a gluten-free section, I think you'll find it there. That's where I found mine.Health food stores should carry it too.

    Sharon  

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    I wonder if I could make it myself. I love any kind of nut, so I'm sure I would go through it fast.

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited October 2011

    Princess thank you for the youtube link - that clips is powerful, isn't it?  So amazing what our bodies have to deal with.  I am going on day 3 of no sugar, have tried  & failed many times before, but I know one of these times it will stick. 

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited October 2011
    gonna look for it.thanks
  • ej01
    ej01 Member Posts: 155
    edited October 2011

    Hi Everyone,    I have been watching this thread.  I had my lumpectomy a few weeks ago for DCIS and am still undecided about radiation, and will probably decline Tamoxifen.   I sort of feel that the right changes in my diet should go a long way toward preventing reoccurance...not 100% but  then neither are the medically recommended therapies.  It continues to frustrate me that there are not more studies about diet, hormones in foods, etc that can show if there is an effect, the way  they study the conventional therapies...is it because there is no money it in for drug companies if it turns out there is a diet alternative just as effective as the drugs.

    I am also not a big fan of suppliments,  In the ideal world, we should get all of the nutrition we need from eating whole foods.   Although I would not rule out taking a particular suppliment (as long as it was not a big horse pill I was supposed to swallow.)

    There seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there about the best ways to eat to aviod/limit BC recurrance.  I think most would agree that because I was ER+/PR+ I probably should avoid non-organic animal products.  Should I really aviod all animal products (even organic)? What about fish...does it have potentially harmful hormones? Should I have soy or  not?  I would love to find a simple consolidated list of diet recommendations based on the best science has to offer, but my guess is there is not one because a lot of the recommendations tend to be speculative rather than scientific.

    I have seen the talk of avoiding sugar, but that is one recommendation that I will need to have very specific undisputed scientific evidence behind before I think about removing sugar from my diet.  Even then i may not do it.Wink

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited October 2011

    when i was first diag.wth bc the first dr.told me cancer loves sugar and fat!!!!!!!

    i believe that is true.i didnt give it up totally but i cut it down 75%.

    the rest im still learning....and yes i am willing to learn and try new things.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    ejol, welcome. There are wonderful books out there to help you get started on your health journey. A couple have been mentioned already. Another good one is the Anti-cancer diet. http://www.amazon.com/Anticancer-New-Life-David-Servan-Schreiber/dp/0670020346

    Most of us have recognized quickly that our doctors don't usually have the most up to date info about lifestyle changes, supplements etc.  But, I'm surprised that your onc has not, at least, warned you about refined sugars, animal fat and processed soy.  

    Many of us have a naturopathic doctor, guiding us along the way. You may want to find one that specializes in oncology to help you too.  IMO that's a good idea whether you decide to take Tamoxifen or not. ETA: what supplements you need will depend primarily on what your body is lacking and  how well you eat.

    There are studies being conducted in relation to cancer and diet, exercise etc. You have to spend time digging to find them. Among others, Pubmed and Sloan-Ketting Cancer Center are great places to look up info on studies about supplements, herbs etc. 

    Also, what I've being doing is searching on this board to find info about particular topics that I'm interested in learning more about. The search feature is at the top of the page.  

    I'm glad you mentioned fish. With all the concerns about mercury, I'm curious to know what kinds people are eating and why. How many times per week?    

    Big Hugs

    Sharon

  • awilson
    awilson Member Posts: 25
    edited October 2011

    I have gone natural also.  When I was first diagnosed, I had a 5 cm tumor.  It was removed but the margins were showing DCIS, particularly two areas of concern and one having  a 2 cm growth, the other area was very very small. My surgeon said I needed a mastectomy.  I went to see a ND,( she really knows her stuff) and she took an analagy of my blood and saw no cancer.  I did a full body cleanse, took supplements and herbs and juiced and ate salad faithfully and ate NO red meat everyday for 5-6 months.   Then I went for an MRI and it showed the twor areas of conern and the one that was 2cm  grew 0.5 cm, I managed to keep everything contained but I still had DCIS.  I did get the mastectomy but because of all the natural stuff I was doing, my surgery and healing process went really well.  I still juice and take supplement; am preparing myself for a reconstructive procedure which my ND said would be better than an implant (are foreign to the body)  When I got my path report, it said no evidence of invase malignancy, my ND was right all along but the doctors put the fear in you.  I just figured I would get this DCIS out of me and get the reconstructive done then see my ND on a regular basis.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

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    Welcome, awilson. That's fantastic news.  Thanks for sharing. I hope you will share more about what you learned.  

    You go girl!

    BIG HUGS!!!

    Sharon

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited October 2011

    ej01,

    Pretty much every alternative and integrative oncologist agrees that sugar is very bad for cancer.  If you are going to cut one thing, just one, that would reduce your risk of recurrence, I would start with sugar.  "Life Over Cancer" is a great book with a ton of info.  Dr. Block is an integrative oncologist who really embraces a whole person approach.  He devotes several chapters to diet. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Hi Sweetbean. I heard that The Block Center is one of the top cancer treatment clinics.  Has anyone gone?

    XmasDx, have you tried detoxing? Often when the body is toxic, that's when we really crave sugar. After a veggie juice cleanse, the craving pretty much go away because that body is returned to an alkaline environment.

    Hugs,

    Sharon

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Daniel Vitalis: Indigenous Nutrition & Physical Evolution

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwNMreagPzM

    I just finished watching this video. It's a pretty good talk by one of my favorite speakers. He explains the problems that arise when fruits are hybridized for purely commercial reasons. It made me wonder if humanity will come back to its senses and grow food with nutitional value.  If you are really serious about eatting, or need some motivation to eat, natural foods, you'll enjoy it.

    Sharon

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited October 2011

    Kira -- this blog has directions for making raw almond butter in a food processor:
    http://www.rawmazing.com/raw-recipe-almond-butter/

    Do any health food stores still have the kind of grinder where you can make your own peanut butter or other nut butters?  The health food stores of 20-30 years ago had this, and I loved it, but the last one like this that I know of in NYC closed down about 2 years ago...

    If nothing else, you could order it online -- Woodstock Farms, Artisana, and Maranatha are some brands.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011
    AnnNYC, thanks for sharing. It looks easy enough to make.
  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited October 2011

    I justs read this thread and love it.  Will have to go back and look at the links and videos.  Since getting bc I have gotten ride of sugar, carbonated drinks, caffeine.  Only drink organic decaf.  Dry to eat organic as much as possible but it is hard some times.  I started a garden so I know that is is organic. And have found differntr vendors along the way for organic eggs, chicken etc,  I am taking tamoxifen but am very indterested in the DIM and the glutthioneglucanate stuff.  Will have to read up on those two.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Hey Sherryc, I'm glad you like the thread. (I like it too.) This a great group!

    You drink organic decaf. Good for you. Most people will give up  everything except their morning cup of cafeine filled java. I gave up the cafeine too. It's too acidic and it affects the way the body absorbs vitamins. Not good. Frown 

    I've been sticking with white tea and a herbal tea my herbalist mixed up. Maybe I'll look into buying some organic coffee and drink it on the weekends. I miss the smell of coffee in the morning. You are so lucky to have a garden. If I had one, I'd plant everything especially herbs.

    Sharon

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    ann thanks for the link. It really looks like it would be easy to make.

    I just got my blood work back, and my liver enzymes are up from the Femara. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to get them back down. They are just above the normal range, but I don't want them to go up any more. My tumor markers went up from 19-26 as well, but the Onc. feels it might be from the liver enzymes.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    GLUTATHIONE "THE MOTHER" OF ALL ANTIOXIDANTS

    - Dr Mark Hyman explains glutathione                                                               

             (10 min)  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh2PYQBICWs

    - Dr. Oz demonstrates how the body uses glutathione

             (3 min) www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFg7TYSn9zk

    -Cancer and glutathione pubmed www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15386533

    As promised, here are my notes. Feel free to copy and paste them and keep them in your files. 

    Because glutathione exists within the cells, it is in a prime position to neutralize free radicals. It helps the liver remove chemicals (i.e. heavy metals, xenoestrogen etc) that are foreign to the body. Important for maintaining intracellular health, glutathione is found in all types of cells, including the cells of the immune system, whose job is to fight disease. ETA : Our natural killer cells are activated by glutathione. When the body has too many toxins, and/or is under oxidative stress glutathione becomes depleted.   The way to boost glutathione is by consuming glutathione boosting supplements and foods and exercising.

    HOW GLUTATHIONE SHOULD BE TAKEN?  

    • Glutathione is not well absorbed when taken orally as a supplement.
    • Glutathione can be administered intravenously to increase the amount in the cells. But, it only lasts a few hours in the body. It must be given weekly.
    • The effective way to raise glutathione is to manufacture it in the cell, where it lasts longer and also builds up your immune system. Glutathione contains the following 3 amino acids linked together: glutamate, glycine, cysteine.

      

    WHICH FOODS BOOST GLUTATHIONE?

    Cysteine is the scarcest of these 3 amino acids. So, by eating foods that are rich in cysteine, a sulphur-containing amino acid, you help boost your levels of glutathione. Fresh unprocessed organic meats, poultry and fish contain high levels of sulphur-containing amino acids and help to maintain optimal glutathione levels.

    Broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, kale, kohlrabi and other cruciferous vegetables are rich in sulfur-containing nutrients called glucosinolates, which may help prevent cancer by eradicating carcinogenic compounds in your body.  Egg yolks, garlic, watercress, dill, cilantro, dandelion root, onions, challots, chives are good sources of sulpher too.  

    Undenatured (bioactive) whey protein.  As Dr. Hyman explained, this is a globular protein isolated from whey. The most common form of whey available comes from cow's milk. Raw milk contains about 20% whey. Because of pasteurization, all milk being sold commercially now is pasteurized and thus "dead" from a biological standpoint and will not help to raise glutathione. 

    The whey must be processed in such a manner that the heat-sensitive proteins and amino acids are preserved. When these amino acids are preserved, you end up with an efficient way to deliver cysteine to the cells.  The form in which it is found in mother's breast milk and in raw cow's milk is called bonded cysteine. It is absorbed through the intestinal  walls into the bloodstream, which carries it to the 100 trillion cells to make glutathione.

    DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS THAT HELP BOOST GLUTATHIONE LEVELS NATURALLY.

    N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC): It is derived from the amino acid L-Cysteine, and acts as a precursor of glutathione. NAC is quickly metabolized into glutathione once it enters the body. It has been proven in numerous scientific studies and clinical trials, to boost intracellular production of glutathione.

    Milk Thistle, Silymarin: It is a powerful antioxidant and supports the liver by preventing the depletion of glutathione. Silymarin is the active compound of milk thistle. It is a natural liver detoxifier and protects the liver from many industrial toxins.

    Alpha Lipoic Acid: Made naturally in body cells as a by-product of energy release, ALA increases the levels of intra-cellular glutathione, and is a natural antioxidant with free radical scavenging abilities. It has the ability to regenerate oxidized antioxidants like Vitamin C and E and helps to make them more potent.

      

    VITAMINS FOR GLUTATHIONE PRODUCTION

    Selenium:  It elevates glutathione peroxidase, an enzyme of glutathione. Selenium is required by the body for proper functioning of the thyroid gland, and may help protect against free radical damage and cancer: Some good food sources of selenium are tuna, whole grains, brown rice, egg yolks, cottage cheese, garlic, Brazil nuts, and lamb chops.

    Vitamin B1, B2: They help to maintain glutathione and its related enzymes in their active forms. B1 or Thiamine is found in brown rice, certain vegetables, and eggs. B2 or Riboflavin is also essential for glutathione production and energy metabolism.  B2 can be found in leafy green vegetables, liver and legumes.


    Vitamin B6, B12: They play an important role in glutathione synthesis. B6 is crucial for the function of many amino acids and essential fatty acids. B12 helps to produce red blood cells, myelin, DNA, and other neurological tissues. For this reason, it plays a key role in the normal functioning of the brain and nervous system. B12 also helps to regenerate folate in the body. Food rich in B12: grain fed beef,lamb, veal, bison, venison, elk. 


    Folate/ folic acid: It helps to make sure available cysteine is converted into glutathione rather than homocysteine. Good sources of folate include kidney beans, fava, chick peas, asperugus, cooked spinach.

    Vitamin C: It has a KEY role in glutathione metabolism. It is involved in the glutathione enzyme system which keeps vitamin C, vitamin E and other antioxidants in their reduced state. This preserves their ability to keep on working as antioxidants in the body, effectively recycling them and making them work over and over again before being disposed of by the body. Good food sources dark leafy greens--kale, swiss chard, etc, fresh herbs, pine apple, papaya,  blue berries and strawberries.

    Natural vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol): It plays a role in detoxification and disease prevention. It can be found in avocado, nuts, seeds, olives, spinach.  

      

    MICRONUTRIENTS THAT RAISE GLUTATHIONE 

    Magnesium deficiency can lead to the impairment of an important glutathione enzyme needed for glutathione production. Some foods that contain magnesium include hemp seeds, sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds and green vegetables such as spinach, kale, swiss chard etc.

    Zinc deficiency also reduces glutathione concentration, especially in red blood cells. Zinc also is toxic in higher levels, and may also reduce glutathione if it is over-consumed.


  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2011

    princess what a great article. There is so  much to learn. I will be working on building up my system to help fight the effects of Femara. Just wish I knew why my tumor markers wwent up so much this time.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2011

    Hi ladies,

    This is a great thread.  I agree with the thoughts on palm oil and soy being in just about everything we buy.  I avoid a lot of canned foods, and am using mostly frozen veggies, frozen fruit, fresh veggies and fruit, and meats from Whole Foods. Yes, it's expensive, but it gives me peace of mind, and I feel like it's giving my kids the hormonal balance they need as well..... I don't want them developing in new ways, I just want their development to follow what nature's course intended!

     As for me, well, I take whey protein. If you are looking for a good whey protein, Whole Foods carries whey protein powders that are not isolates.(MRM brand) They are pure protein, not a lot of sugar, and they are good for building muscle. Mind you, I only take the powder when I have had a seriously hard workout.  If I cycle over 35 miles, I will have a whey protein drink after my ride, but I noticed if I don't work out, I will gain pure weight while taking protein.  For those of you struggling to gain weight, this is a good source of protein.

    I am gluten intolerant, something this BC journey helped me find out. I had been suffering what I thought was IBS for years, and now I know it was really a gluten allergy or sensitivity.  Now that I don't eat it, I feel 200% better. It took a colonscopy, an upper GI test, a visit to an immunologist and then a trip to my nutritionist to find out that bit of information.  The only one who suggested that I eliminate wheat was my nutritionist.  The others scratched their heads and told me that my IGA levels were okay, and that I wasn't showing up as Celiac on their tests.

    Once I eliminated gluten, my health improved dramatically. I just went through my blood test results today, and my insulin levels are good, calcium /phosphate ratio is good, thyroid good.... all of it positive, thank goodness.

    The things I avoid:  soy, wheat, most dairy (every once in awhile I have ice cream or other dairy treats, but not often!)

    The things I eat:  lots of raw and cooked veggies (both are important for internal enzymatic processes, lean meat-- lots of chicken, fish, fruits, beans, lentils, nuts, and brown rice.  My diet is actually quite boring since I don't have a lot of time for meal prep, but I manage to find things that taste good and that I like. 

    Here is a list of my supplements -- very extensive, but I feel like it's a safety net, since I was malnourished due to the gluten intolerance I suffered with for over 4 years.

    • Magnesium (love this stuff-- makes me relax, sleep and feel GOOD)
    • Calcium (not a lot, just enough to cover my body needs). I follow 2:1 ratio, with magnesium featuring more predominately to Calcium in my intake
    • Vitamin C
    • Multi-Vitamin -- make sure it has Vitamin K to process calcium and magnesium well
    • Vitamin D
    • Fish Oil
    • 1X weekly cod liver oil
    • Curcumin
    • B1 -- for memory
    • Biotin- for hair and nails
    • B-Complex sublingual
    • Zinc
    •  

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