Received DCIS Diagnosis - IT JUST GOT WORSE - Comments Invited
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+1 Lee Ann: Great post!
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Blair, I wasn't trying to send you away. It looks like you've done a great job doing the groundwork/research for your wife.
But I hope you will take care of yourself too, so thought you might find sharing with other spouses/family members useful (don't I remember a post of yours where you noted that you seemed to be the only man on the bulletin boards--that you didn't see other husbands posting?)...so I directed you to the board where you're most likely to find them. I didn't mean that you can't continue posting here. Lee Ann has some great suggestions.
Hope your wife's next biopsy is negative so that this latest will have been just a "bump-in-the-(not-so-pleasant) road."
LisaAlissa
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Ditto on LisaAlissa post - hope for the negative and forward motion can continue!
Hugs...LowRider
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Dear lwarstler - This is probably one of the best posts I have read. Off to work in Hong Kong.
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My husband hasn't posted,mainly because he knows I am busy posting away, but he reads them with me and I think gets a better understanding. You are a good husband. Agree with everyone above. Mine said the decision was mine and he would back whatever I chose to do.
In my case, it took a LOT of biopsies.
First a suspicious mammogram with microcalcs. Had to have a surgical biopsy because it was close to the chest wall. Asked about an MRI and was told it wasn't necessary. Panicked and had a general surgeon who does a lot of breast biopsies do mine. Came back with only LCIS tissue, a potential red flag for cancer at some point. Surgeon told me to meet with an oncologist and take tamoxifen for five years and be watched closely.
Second, my nurse practioner friend wouldn't let me stop there. Made me see and settle on a breast specialist. She promptly ordered the MRI. Another spot showed up close to the first one (so don't buy the story that they will find a second area during surgery). They did an ultrasound biopsy that turned out clear. So clear, they then decided that they didn't get to the spot. So, another surgical biopsy was ordered. This one finally found the tumor. She removed it with clean margins.
Finally, path report comes back and it is HER2+ also. That was it. I decided on bilateral BMX. Didn't want to mess with it and I have dense breasts.
Pathology after bmx did not show anything new on the bad breast, as they had gotten everything at the biopsy, so that was good, nothing in nodes, but the "good breast" had a non-cancerous tumor that didn't show on either the mammogram or the mri. I felt better about my decision.
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Blair...you are doing exactly what any good husband would be doing. You are not going anger any of the doctors, in fact, they welcome your concern and the more engaged a patient is in treatment, the better the results can be. Educate yourselves as much as possible - it will take fear away and give you both solid footing of what is happening. Things are done in stages so take in the current item and then move to the next - don't overwhelm yourselves by trying to absorb it all at once - you will go nuts!
Try to relax and take the one step at a time - relief will come and then on to the next. Many hugs to the both of you!
LowRider
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Dear fluffqueen01 - Thank you for your post. One of things I am wondering is where you all get your colorful names from. Maybe I should have invented a colorful name such as BCResMan (BC Research Man) or the PrayHubby (Praying Husband - for my wife's health). Anyway, I am trying my best. I know that you all must suffer through agonizing delays for appointments, tests, test results and for scheduling the surgery. I am hoping my wife will get the new biopsy and new pathology report as quickly as possible so by the time I get home from Hong Kong Friday she will be able to make her decisions. I hope the posts will continue to come. Each one is much appreciated.
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Dear Lowrider54 - God bless you as your signature says you are Stage IV. May you recover fully and have a happy life. Please keep in touch and let us know how you are doing.
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BlairK....I don't know what I said to make you feel....? I reread my postings to you and I don't see any malicious intent. You came to the board for help, I am in a very similar situation mirroring your wife's diagnosis, and reached out to help you and her! I empathized my words are MY opinion only. Take my advice or leave it, it is all good.
I will apologize for any hurt feelings. I would never dream of offending anyone here. This actually hurts me to think that I have done something incorrect. I am walking this journey with you as others have been from the very beginning.
best regards to your wife.
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Dear iLUV2knit - First and most importantly, I hope you and everyone else on this bulletin board have successful treatment and return to perfect health. My wife just gave me another earful. She is deathly afraid that her doctor is going "to dump her" if her husband asks her (the doctor) one question. As hard as it is, I am going to have to stand down both from the bulletin board and from trying to ask helpful questions to my wife's doctors. Instead and in my own way, I will pray very hard not only for my wife's full recovery but also for my wife's doctors. Doctors are not perfect. They make mistakes. I have been the victim of this myself. So again I will pray that my wife's doctors do not make any mistakes. Thats all. Good luck and all the best to everybody. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences. It has really helped and is much appreciated.
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I took a three-day rest from the bulletin board and my wife is happy about that. I am still in Hong Kong but go home tomorrow. I will not travel in October. Today is my wife's MRI-guided biopsy of her "good" breast. The surgery is scheduled for October 14th. The pathology report will come back early next week and my wife will decide single or double. It would be helpful to hear about the post-mastectomy recuperation period. How long did it take to feel OK?. How long did it take to resume your normal activities? How many weeks did you have to rest at home? How about pain, infection, bleeding and other complications? Anything shared would be much appreciated.
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Hi BlairK - I overestimated the recovery period/difficulty of everything. The biopsy was just like a cut. Even the lumpectomy was not as bad as I was prepared for. A good supportive bra to prevent bouncing is the key to lumpectomy comfort. Even after the unilateral mastectomy, I was working on my laptop in bed at home 6 hours after waking up in the recovery room. Mastectomy was actually better than lumpectomy as there was nothing left to bounce. Going over bumps in the car was still not habit-foming, and the pillow under the shoulder belt is good advice. The hardest recovery of mastectomy was the drain, which in my case took 15 days to remove. If I had not been overdoing the housework, it would have come out sooner. My only infection was dirty-nurse related not surgery related. Wouldn't have happened if she used proper technique in the home care visit. I had some of the wound open a bit after some staples were removed, but I went to the Emerg and they re-closed with steristrips. No biggie. I walked in one-hour bouts on the treadmill at the gym by 4-5 weeks after the mastectomy, and that dramatically reduced my aches and pains and I stopped painkillers completely at that point. I completed a half marathon after 10 weeks and actually ran a good portion of it despite quite limited training. Doctors here will write absence notes for 6-8 weeks from work but counting working in bed (writing and answering emails etc.) I never worked less than 35 hours a week through the whole deal, including the Xmas holidays when I'm not even REQUIRED to work, not that I got any respect at work for that. I wasn't THERE doing the visible things. That gave me quite a lot of stress from the neck up, and I needed Rx for valium but it's been very helpful. I expect the reconstruction (in December 2011) will be more physically tough as it will involve the abdominal incision, but maybe I will be pleasantly surprosed with that too.
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Dear goldlining - This is very useful. Thank you. My wife believes that she will be able to drive after one week but I am not sure. I think it will be at least 3 weeks of taking it easy. She will have immediate reconstruction in the same surgery whereas you have not had yours yet. If more posts come in, I will be able to tell my wife what to expect. Our internist said that I should plan on being home for six weeks but it seems to me that my wife can recover faster than that.
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A few comments on recovery time; the type of surgery you have plays a huge part in how quickly you recover as does your own body and it's reactions to surgery. Reconstruction with implants prolongs recovery as does bmx vs. Umx. I imagine flap surgeries take longer. I think recovery is about finding a balance between healing rest and restorative activity. I had both of my drains out by day 10 but did not even try to drive until day 14. Even now, about 3 weeks out, I still feel a bit sore when turning the wheel to back out or park, especially on the side that had the node biopsy. Every one needs to be attuned to their own body's needs and reactions. The urge to regain normalcy is strong but there is nothing to be gained by pushing too hard. Cancer is teaching me to put myself first. BTW, today and tomorrow will be the first days since my surgery when no one will be over to help me around the house. Younger daughter and fiancé are taking a short holiday and older daughter and SIL won't be here until Saturday. So far,so good! Caryn
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Dear exbrnxgrl - I am leaving Hong Kong after I write this and going back home. My wife will have surgery on October 14th and it is not clear whether it will be a single or double mastectomy. In either case she will have immediate reconstruction in the same operation with "gummy" implants and a sentinel node biopsy. My expectation is that she will need 3 weeks before she can think about driving. Your post is very helpful for forming an impression. I hope there will be more posts waiting when I get home after my 16 hour flight. I hope there will be some good movies this time.
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Driving within a week of surgery is fine, so long as you go forward. It's backing up that's a problem.
The most important thing to remember after the surgery is that you are not supposed to strain the incision for 6 weeks. I read somewhere that it takes 6 weeks for cut skin and muscle to regain approx. 90% of it's original strength. That's why anyone who has surgery with a major incision is given the 6 week rule for no lifting, stretching, carrying, etc.. It's simply because you are not supposed to stress the incision - the last thing that you want is to cause a tear, and particularly, an internal tear (there will be lots of internal stitches as well as the visible scar).
I was in hospital one night for my mastectomy surgery with expander placement. The next morning I went home and I made dinner that night and was out taking walks by the following day. I had virtually no pain and had much better arm movement than I expected. But I was careful to limit my upper body movements so that I wouldn't strain the incision. Since the incision is in the chest area, my PS told me to not do anything that affected the chest/pec muscle. No stretching. No heavy lifting. No reaching or pulling - I was given strict instructions by my PS to not vacuum for 6 weeks. No picking up things that are heavy or carrying things that are heavy. When it comes to driving, it's no problem to sit straight and look forward - I could easily have done that after just a few days. But turning my head to back up was one of the more painful things I did - that puts a lot of stress across the chest, and on the incision. So while I drove after about 10 days, I made sure that I didn't park in any spot where I had to back up. Even after week 3 I could still feel the strain when I turned my heading while driving so I was very careful in how I moved.
My PS told me to always remember the 6 week rule - especially when you are feeling good. If you're feeling fine after surgery - as I was - it's tempting to try to do all the normal things. But you can get yourself into trouble if you do.
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Pretty much ditto my experience as Beesie's.
No lifting anything more than a Coke can for six weeks.
Didn't drive until about a month. I drove myself to my docs office at three weeks, and it wasn't fun. As she mentioned, if you didn't have to move it was fine. Turning the steering wheel was even hard.
I felt great though and the BMX was a breeze. My ps uses OnQ pain pumps for four days. It is a miracle. Tell your wife to ask to have one put in.
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BlairK,
you might want to post your questions also in the forum, "Surgery, Before, During and After". More people may see it and offer some suggestions there too. There is also a forum, "Breast Reconstruction" that I have been reading about.
My surgery is scheduled for October 13th.
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I had the same surgery (unilateral with TE), and felt that given my youth and health I would recover quickly. However the recovery was a bit harder than I expected. I was out of the hospital the next day with no issues. At first I was pretty tired and napped a lot and took pain meds. After a week or so I was clearly on the mend in that I was not as tired and pain was way down, and I was able to take walks for exercise. However, they put a drain in me (she will have this) which was still putting out a lot of fluid. I was instructed to avoid using my arm until the drain could be removed. This took several more weeks, and was very frustrating, especially when I mostly felt better aside from the drain. It seems that it's hard to predict who will have a longer time with a drain, though I hear a lot of the younger and healthier women have more trouble.
I think my total time off from work was 5 weeks, and I didn't really drive until the end of that (I drive a stick though, with the affected arm). Even after I was back at work I had limited mobility on the affected arm - I could only raise it about 90 degrees (this is typical) - kind of comic when trying to write on a whiteboard during a meeting. I was set up with a physical therapist who was great, and a month or two later I had almost full mobility. Now (almost a year later and post exchange) I don't feel as if I have any lingering issues at all.
I would definitely recommend to plan to take at least 3-5 weeks for the initial recovery, and especially be easy on any lifting or heavy use of the arm. Get ready for the drains (if you can get a camisole with a pocket to hold them), and get lots of button-down tops and PJs to make it easy to deal with the limited arm mobility.
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I should say, despite my physical recovery, my body could drive sooner than my brain could. Man I could NOT concentrate, and we live downtown in a big city. I had to drive my daughter to and from swim practices on nights my husband had a class and I would constantly have to concsciously pull back into conscious attention. I did not voluntarily want to drive for a couple of months almost entirely for attentional reasons.
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I got home from the sixteen-hour flight from Hong Kong to the US. The doctor had called about 15 minutes before my arrival. The preliminary pathology report on the "good breast" is DCIS but they have not finished the grade and the other details. So my wife's surgery will be a double mastectomy on Friday October 14th with immediate "double" gummy implants. The doctor called back so we could both listen and ask questions. Again, I asked the doctor to repeat the statistics. About 90 percent of the mastectomies do not require radiation. About 1 to 2 percent of the mastectomies require chemotherapy. The surgeon will do a sentinel node biopsy on both sides. The anticipated hospital stay is 2 to 3 days. I will not travel to Asia in October. The biggest thing I think is that the MRI caught the cancer (DCIS) on the left side where the mammogram had missed it. So my pushing for the MRI has paid off in the sense that the cancer in the left breast has been caught earlier than if no MRI had been done and that there is a 90 percent chance that the surgery will be enough. My wife also got feedback from the gynecologist that many women are aggravated about having to monitor the unaffected breast or a breast that has had a lumpectomy. Anyway, that is the latest situation. Cancer DCIS in both breasts and a double mastectomy on October 14th.
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Dear Beesie - My wife has DCIS in both breasts. Surgery is October 14th and it will be a double mastectomy. I will go with my wife Tuesday to meet the reconstruction surgeon. My wife thinks she can drive after one week but I am going to tell her the feedback from the bulletin board. Thanks again for all your posts.
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Dear fluffqueen01 - Thanks for the information especially the OnQ pain pumps. My wife, and I am not sure whether she was kidding or not, said she wants bigger breasts from the implants. I think the most important thing is to focus on getting rid of the cancer. My wife had made a second visit to the reconstruction surgeon while I was away and saw a woman who had had surgery three weeks ago. I will go with my wife Tuesday to meet the reconstruction surgery. Today I already spoke with the breast surgeon so the next time we will see her is on the day of the surgery.
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Dear iLUV2knit - Good luck with your surgery. I will look out for your post-surgery posts.
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Dear xtine - Thank you for your post. I will go shopping with my wife for looser fitting tops. That was a helpful suggestion. I had open chest surgery in 2003 so in a way I know what everybody has gone through. It took me 10 weeks to be OK. I had physical therapy. I could not lift anything for 3 months which was painful because we had our boy at 1 year and I could not hold him. In the first 6 weeks I had a lot of pain. I did not drive for 5 months and when I first did it was hard to turn the steering wheel. I will pass on all of your post-surgical experience and remind my wife of my own post-surgical experience.
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Dear goldlining - Thank you for your post. Post surgery, I hope my wife will take it easy.
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Blair,
I had a different recon than your wife will have, so I won't share my recovery, etc. b/c it won't be the same. I did want to agree that really comfy button up sleepwear was practically what I lived in for the first week after surgery. I bought several silky button top with short sets. The silky nature made it easier to slide in/out of bed and also made me feel like I was pampering myself a bit. :-)
Some people suggested to me that I get post-mastectomy camisoles that have the pockets for the drains. I went to a special store, was measured, and purchased two (majority of the cost covered by my insurance). However, they ended up being too tight to wear immediately post surgery b/c of the bulky dressing! So I didn't wear them until now, when the drains are gone, LOL. They are very soft so I like them from that standpoint.
So, how did I handle the drains? Someone had suggested a simple lanyard, so I brought that as well. I used that thing nonstop. Hooked the drains right into it. It was perfect for showering, too - let my hands be free. Oh, speaking of showering - I wasn't allowed to get the MX area wet for a week. DH and I took a bag and cut a hole in it and put it over my head/upper trunk, with a towel around my neck to prevent leaks. I stood in the shower and he washed my hair...it was the best feeling to get that hair washed!!!
Lastly, your wife will likely be on pain killers that are well known to cause constipation. Upon others' recommendations, I bought a bottle of stool softener (a couple bucks in Walmart) to have on hand. I was really glad I had them, let's just leave it at that, LOL. I started taking 1 to 3 of them a day after I got home from the hospital. Some say to start them prior to surgery, but I was afraid to mess with mother nature right before surgery, LOL.
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BlairK - I'm sorry they found cancer in your wife's other breast, but glad they found it when they did. I think it will be better to have one surgery rather than two.
For the drains, I just used big safety pins and pinned them to the surgical bra they put on me. When I showered, we attached them to a belt so that I didn't have to hang on to them. I was very lucky and my husband took care of the drains for me. I had four after BMX and I would lose them one at a time for about two weeks.
I also bought sleepwear and clothes that buttoned up the front. My problem was that my skin felt so sensitive that I didn't like the feel (weight) of the buttons resting on my chest. I was more comfortable in my husband's oversized t-shirts. They were big enough that I could put both arms in and then pull it up over my head.
I had my surgery July 14 and I had just started driving again about two weeks ago. I was like someone else that posted about their concentration. I had a hard time concentrating while I was driving more than the act of driving itself. I had surgery again Monday (to replace a leaky tissue expander) and it will probably be another week or so before I try to drive again. This surgery was not as hard on me as the first.
I wish your wife well with her surgery. She should not rush herself into anything. Someone told me before my surgery that "you only have one chance to heal well." I hope for successful and uncomplicated surgery for your wife (and you!).
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Hi Blair,
I'm so sorry to hear that it will be a double.
I have a new topic that you will want to consider reseaching. Lymphedema. It's a particularly upsetting potential side effect, that (if it occurs) can have a life-long impact on your wife's day-to-day post-surgery life. And most of us get little if any information pre-surgery about the possibility...or what we can do to avoid it. Among the decisions she will need to make are what precautions she will take.
There is a board here dealing with Lymphedema, and I suggest that you consider starting a thread there asking for advice. I suspect they will suggest some pre-surgical base-line measurements, which is why I'm suggesting you research this now...
My very best wishes to you and your wife,
LisaAlissa
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Sorry to hear about the "healthy" breast.
I second the stool softener idea, and while I did not have a mastectomy, my procedure was similar enough that I needed to get a post mastectomy top to wear, w/ pockets for the drains, etc. This will probably be covered by insurance, so ask your Dr for a prescription. Many breast center/hospitals have shops on the premises, makes things easier. If that's not available to you, we can give you info for online stores.
I went for men's flannel button-down sleepwear, roomy & soft.
Button down is key, it's hard to raise your arms.
Best wishes.
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