WBRads, IORT, what to choose?

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I have just been diagnosed with IDC, 1cm, Stage 1, Grade 1 and have not had yet surgery.

I realized too late how intricately radiation is linked to the surgery and that as a patient one has to be completely informed before the surgery about radiation options to get the latest approaches such as IORT.

I am a candidate for IORT, unless I am found to have positive SLN, I think. I am worried about time passing from the time of diagnosis until the surgery. In order to get IORT I would have to change the facility and the surgeon. I think highly of the surgeon I have chosen , but I do wonder  if IORT would be of great advantage to me over whole breast radiation?  I have not even talked to an RO yet.

Has anyone had experience with IORT  alone,  or IORT with follow up of whole breast radiation? Has anyone had experience with MammoSite?

The literature is ambivalent regarding IORT alone. Some cancer centers feel IORT (Intrabeam) should just be used as a boost and still be followed by whole breast radiation. Some facilities say in certain instances they just use IORT alone.  I assumed whole breast radiation would  prevent me  better from getting  a recurrence in the entire breast ?  On the other hand I am worried about the side effects of whole breast radiation of my left breast, specifically the heart.

Any opinions and experiences regarding IORT? Side effects?

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  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited September 2011

    I believe I'm the resident IORT advocate. I had it in January of this year.

    There are not a lot of women here who've had IORT, but there are a good handful who've had Mammosite or one of the similar PBIs such as Contura or Savi. What I can tell you is this: I have not heard of anyone who's had IORT or PBI and said afterward, Oh, I wish I'd had WBI.

    WBI has many potential side effects such as skin burning, heart and lung problems, shrinkage of the remaining breast tissue, texture changes in remaining skin and breast tissue, and shingles. Some are very common, such as skin burning, and some are much less common.

    IORT and PBI have very few side effects. No burning, no texture changes or shrinkage, no shingles, etc. A somewhat common SE of PBI, as I understand it, is seroma. Seromas are pretty rare with IORT, though.

    Whatever kind of radiation you get you will have some fatigue. I had fatigue for about 3 1/2 weeks after IORT. I think the fatigue timeline for PBI is pretty similar -- it might start and end a little later with PBI (the fatigue sets in pretty quickly with IORT).  

    There are a lot of papers about the effectiveness of IORT versus WBI. Basically, the data shows that for the population for which IORT is intended (small, early cancers in older women) it's just as effective as WBI.

    http://www.jayantvaidya.org/breast_cancer_surgeon/TARGIT_trial.html 

    I fought like the dickens to be able to get IORT. In fact, the State of California had (due to bureaucratic incompetence) de-certified all the Intrabeam machines in the state and I was told I could not therefore get IORT. Well, very few people have told me "no" without having to take it back. I unleashed my full fury on the California Department of Health Services and within a couple of weeks they returned with their tails between their legs and re-certified the machines.

    I don't understand why anyone who could qualify for IORT wouldn't do their darnedest to get it. And if you live in California, you have me to thank for its availability. 

  • DebConway
    DebConway Member Posts: 26
    edited September 2011

    I just finished my radiation with the SAVI device on September 2. I too had Stage 1, Grade 1 invasive ductal breast cancer, left breast. My lumpectomy was on August 4 and I had the SAVI device put in on August 24. I experienced no pain from putting it in, no pain from any of the treatments (2x a day Monday thru Friday) and no pain having the device removed. IMO this device is better than the mammosite due to it stability and not moving around once it's in. I would do it again in a heartbeat if I had to. Can't imagine doing traditional radiation.

  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited September 2011

    I too had a lumpectomy for a 1 cm, grade 1, stage 1, left sided IDC tumor. My margins were very wide and all clear. In some cases, there is another option to radiation for those concerned about future radiation consequences... it's called refusal. It's not an option that's routinely offered under the treatment standards of care or that most patients even realize exists, but it's one that's reasonable in certain cases. That's what I did and it's been over 7 and a half years of smooth sailing so far.

  • hope2learn
    hope2learn Member Posts: 23
    edited September 2011

    Thank you very much for your answers!

    I still have some more specific questions.

    I have been weighing the risks and benefits of IORT ( Intrabeam) for several reasons.

     For one, the radiologist I went to feels IORT alone is still experimental and has to be followed up with whole breast radiation. In this plan IORT is basically used as the boost BEFORE the whole breast radiation. I ask myself what are the net saving to total radiation in such szenario? To me it appears the total dose is still quite high as IORT is 20GY , only the total dose of whole breast radaition is reduced.

    Apparently a lot of people all over the world feel IORT with intrabeam still needs to be followed by whole breast radiation, because the results of the trials are not mature enough, some feel it can be used alone.

    I can see when used alone you get a lot less radiation in total.

    I am thinking about the very high radiation used during the operation 20 Gy, its side effects.

    What I wonder about is the total radiation intraoperative is quite high, what are the potential side effects, especailly if IORT is just used as the boost upfront. Has anyone had side effects?

    I am asking myself does the benefit I am getting from intraoperative radiation outweigh the risks.

    I still will get the follow up of whole breast radiation.

    I learn from the literature there appears to be less chance of recurrence, but when I speak to a physician I get the clear message that IORT is more a time saving measure with , yes, potential advantages as indicated by the Targit trial. Long term side effects are not known. I basically have to decide as the patient, do I want this? I am only concerned about side effects, not time

    Can anyone comment on any part of this?

  • susanella
    susanella Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2011

    Hi,

    I was also just diagnosed with early stage IDC.  I was told about lumpectomy followed by mammosite rad.  However, it seemed that there are some real complications with mammosite.  I started to look into IORT and a clinical trial using Cyberknife. 

    Does anyone know of any places doing IORT in the New York area?  Does anyone know about how the clinical trials are going with Cyberknife? 

    Susanella

  • beachmd
    beachmd Member Posts: 19
    edited October 2012

     Can someone explain the cyberknife and give more recent updates about  IORT  and any other radiation procedures . I will have to make a decision soon about what I want. It seems that if just radiated in the spot after lumpetomy , one might worry about recurrenc but then on the other hand, I don't want all that radiation  for side effects if do whole breast. 

  • FairyDogMother
    FairyDogMother Member Posts: 253
    edited March 2014

    Monday I went in for my reexision
    and I am out with having my Xoft. I am
    the first patient under 40 to get this type of radiation. My boob is hurting, feels like it is on fire,
    a little heavy, but other than that I feel like I’m getting back to “normal.” I’m trying to figure out how to wear a bra
    for my classes this evening since clothing hurts. RO didn’t think I would have the 1 cm
    clearance for the Xoft, but I ended up with 2 cm clearance. Love my OS for fighting
    for me. My DH told me, “I’m glad you are
    a scientist and read all those peer review journals and fought for treatment.” I figured there has to be better ways to treat
    cancer.

    My tumor size went now from 2.5
    cm to 4 cm and my CA27.29 was slightly evaluated but I still fought for the
    Xoft. I did get an incision to the outer
    side of my left breast where they stuck the rod in to get to balloon. They used superglue to seal the incision on
    that side and the inside (cleavage side) has internal stitches and glue. Main reason I didn’t want 35 days of radiation,
    woman under 40 have 20% chance of getting a secondary cancer from radiation and
    my tumor was over the center of my heart.
    Researching peer review journals pays off, if you are not a scientist or
    can handle reading those journals go to a college and have someone help you.

    cycle-path
    I had to fight too, because of my age (36).
    My argument was well you are taking my ovaries so I will be menopausal anyway. My DH told the doctors, “how do you learn about new treatments in
    women under 40 if you aren’t willing to try.” Like chicken and egg
    problem.

    hope2learn My RO did not need to follow up with external
    beam. I got rads for 15 minutes in the balloon. I’m post day 2 from surgery and
    boob feels warm, and hurts like mad but I’m not taking pain pills so it is manageable.

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