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  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited September 2011

    J9W I am clumsy too. I laughed at visualizing the "I've fallen and I can't get up" scenario. It is so me. I did it on the sidewalk right downtown, like the mainest main street in this big city, not even in running clothes, but in dress pants going-out-to-dinner-with-former-colleagues clothes, and people just looked at me like, "ugh, what an odd thing to do". Not a single person offered to help me. I was right in front of a pharmacy so I hobbled in for Advil, water, tape and gauze.... but I digress. 

    Summoning help -- I run with my iPhone and I use the Wahoo fitness app to receive GPS as well as heartrate and stride data from the little Fisica transceiver thingie. It uses the iPhone's proximity sensor so it blanks the screen to save battery when you put it in your pocket or hold it in a way that covers the sensor. The minute I am eating dirt, I think I would pause the run and switch to text message mode. (I am deaf, so I'm not phoning anyone or even hooting for the help of a companion.)

    In addition to summoning help, text messaging can also convey the necessary amount of cursing that might be appropriate. 

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2011

    J9W...

    I don't know about a panic button, but my head lamp that I use for the dark has a built in whistle.  Would a whistle work for you? 

     By the way, I am also a boob holding runner.  Last year when I had ADH excised, I double bra-ed and tucked my left arm under my breast.  I felt ridiculous, but was so relieved to have gotten out and run!

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited September 2011
    When I run trails, I take my cellphone. I don't have a very nice one. I have a couple of running tops with small zippered pockets & one pair of running shorts with a key pouch that will fit my cell. Goldlining's Iphone sounds much more fun thoughCool  I almost always run trails alone & once tweaked my ankle & couldn't complete my planned route. I worked my way up to a road & called my husband to come get me. He was more concerned than I was. But I guess this won't work if you are in too remote of a location without coverage.
  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2011

    What a great gathering of clumsy, boob-holding runners!  We should form a relay team or something.  

    Seriously, J9W, so glad you found your way over here.  Sorry about your fall - that's a nightmare of mine, falling and hurting myself in some remote location.  Normally I fall and hurt myself in crowded locations, which is embarrassing, but safer.  (Goldlining, either people in Detroit and Brooklyn are especially nice, or I look especially pathetic, because I always get offers of help after one of my tumbles.)  

    Well, I tried a mini-workout this morning for the first time in forever.  Went to the high school track and ran 4x400 with 400 recovery between repeats.  I tried to keep it relaxed but quick, and that ended up being 1:58, 1:57, 1:56 and 1:54.  Ouch.  I have to remind myself that I'm 50 and it doesn't matter how many 400 repeats I used to run and what I used to run them in; what matters is where I am now and that I still love running.  It did feel good to pick up the pace a bit (especially after I finished!).  

    Linda 

  • cupcakies
    cupcakies Member Posts: 71
    edited September 2011

    Hi all, not sure if it's already been mentioned, but any thoughts on Kara Kennedy's heart condition after chemo and radiation?

    It scared me b/c sometimes when I run, my heart beats SO fast, i feel like I should slow down, even though i know my body wants to continue going faster.  

    I know many women complete treatment and go on to run marathons, so not sure if her condition was a special one, but just if anyone can give any special advice on how to continue working out during/after treatment, such as taking it slow,etc.

    Im not too familiar with Kennedy's case, such as what specific exercises she was doing, but it scares me.. her heart was still damaged almost 10 yrs after her cancer treatment! :(

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited September 2011

    cupcakies, I've had no chemo and rads (just DCIS so lumpectomy and mastectomy: anaesthesia x 2 so far) and have a high heart rate. I do NOT know what is up with that. I asked the med onc and she blew me off with a "you got out of condition while recovering from surgery". Um, no. I take longer breaks after normal distance run events than I took after surgery. This is different. Maybe it'll go away and maybe it won't but it's definitely a thing.

    I fell again, yesterday, on the way to massage of all the ironic things. Was thinking "oh I will just have her do the shoulders b/c my right hip has a pinched nerve and would be just a waste of time till I get that stretched out." Then I fell on my LEFT hip and the swelling was immediate. It is 9" across and jet black already, just like a water balloon of bleeding in the tissues. Ghastly. Small bruise on the heel of my hand too. Two kind people did help me collect the glasses that flew one way and the hearing aid that flew the other way. And the massage therapist wasn't even there!! Left early! Tried to call but (of course) I have no phone. Use the email on file? Who'd think of that?? Hobbled home and went to bed slathered in Arnica gel and took some vitamin C. I've recovered pretty much from the half marathon and my legs are starting to get cramps from not running, but so much for that until some of this bruise reabsorbs. Bla.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited September 2011

    My best friend has something called supraventricular tachycardia.  Her heart rate will soar every once in a while.  She does NOT have cancer.  This started for her with the onset of perimenopause.  The cardiologist said it was okay and wouldn't damage her heart.  She was offered medication and a surgery to correct it, but passed on both.  She uses various techniques to bring the heart rate down that the cardiologist taught her.  So...I would have it checked out by a cardiologist if your heart rate zooms...it may have absolutely nothing to do with breast cancer or breast cancer treatments...

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2011

    First off, Goldlining: your fall sounds horrifying.  I hope that bruise calms down soon.

    On the heart rate issue . . . following up what CLC wrote, I found some interesting stuff on the Cleveland Clinic's website that makes the association between menopause and fast/irregular heart rates.  Doesn't *this* sound lovely (and familiar):

    "Menopause causes a further decline in estrogen as the menstrual cycle stops. This time period is associated with irregular heart beats, palpitations, spasmodic chest pain and nightmares in women 40 -64 years old."

    And here's the full link:

    http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/women/conditions_arrhythmia.aspx

    I know not everyone here had chemo, but for those of us who did, and were thrown abruptly into menopause, it could explain a lot.  If it's worrisome, maybe consult with a cardiologist?

    Linda

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    After a week of nausea that started with my fall, and then the onset of palpitations, I took my icky self to the family practice and the nurse practitioner consulted with the MD and said there is no reason the bruise would make me nauseated so take maalox for indigestion. After trying that for 24 hours, I had additional unpleasant symptoms, quite akin to a colonoscopy prep, so I headed back to the doctor on Friday. 

    Saw the other MD, who did a more thorough examination and said it seemed like a concusssion. That's what I had thought in the first place when I was reflecting on all my symptoms, like "I'd guess it was a concussion if only my brain was in my @ss" but I thought that was just silly. However, she said the brain can impact inside the skull without the outside of the head striking anything.

    So I switched to Gravol (dimenhydrinate - OTC here in Canada, but I don't think so in U.S.) which improved the nausea some. I had a pretty good day Saturday and was feeling a bit better and decided I would do the Run for the Cure since my students had signed up in support of me, after all.

    It was actually not a bad 5K except for the cold and the rain. After three weeks of rest since the half marathon, I was enjoying the run. But afterwards, holy crap. The nausea was back plus the sinus headache (I'd had it before but thought it was my sinuses, but in fact I think was also the concussion). So I took more Gravol and some Sudafed and slept all afternoon, woke up for some bland spaghetti and went back to sleep. I think I will not do any more running until my head is better. Have some good runs for me, ladies!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited October 2011

    Dang, Goldlining!  Take care of yourself.  I will run an extra mile for you tomorrow so that you can rest up.

    (Very funny line about "I'd guess it was a concussion . . . ")

    L

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    Thank you lewing! Still feeling post-concussed. Not as nauseated, but going to stick with taking it easy!

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2011

    Ah, I knew there had to be a gathering of runners somewhere on this forum.... glad to have found it. :)

    I'm Esther, and up until this past Monday, I was going to start training for my first official marathon, Disney World in January 2012, But I just found out that I need to have revision surgery for my UMX. AGH! I had a NSM in May 2011, then the TE exchange in July, and just this week was cleared to return to all other activity (yoga, weight-bearing on arms, all that). No chemo not radiation, so I've been extremely lucky.

    Unfortunately the implant is bottoming out through the Alloderm, and plus is TOO BIG (as I had been telling my PS all along), so things are going to have to be opened up, taken out and rebuilt again. Sigh. Now I'm not that strong a runner (well, not that fast, at least), but I consider myself a runner and that's what counts. Having this goal of training for a marathon race has been one of the main things that's kept me off the woe-is-me depression track all along. Now that it's off the table, I've been sort of beside myself. It all has to do with expectations, I suppose. After July, I thought I was DONE. Obviously not....

    OK, now I need to catch up and read this thread from the beginning. Glad to meet everyone!

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    Welcome Esther! We're a bunch of optimists here. Until the night before the Disney Marathon weekend, it's still on the table :-)

    I've got DIEP on Dec 8 and am registered in the Tinker Bell on Jan 29! The only person I have to beat is the guy driving the bus for stragglers! It's on until it's not on. :-)

    (My legs are screaming for a run, but the head isn't ready yet.) 

  • LMichele
    LMichele Member Posts: 165
    edited October 2011

    Hi all, Hi optimists!!

    I have my exchange next week, so... I don't like the idea of a month off after getting pretty well back to shape...

    Well in my "do as much as possible" mode I ran barefoot on the beach last week...

    It was a beautiful day and my walk turned into a long walk/run... In and out of the water... Aaahhh... ouchie!!! My feet are really hurting, still not ok a week later!

    I may not be able to run till November. Waaahhh. I should find a goal race...W?
  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited October 2011

    Esther, so glad you found this thread - and so sorry about your reconstruction woes.  No wonder you're bummed.  I hope "bummed" is the right word, as opposed to depressed, and that venting here is helpful.  You'll find a bunch of us who totally get the importance of running and the way our running goals (whatever they may be) help us deal with all the cancer stuff . . . and how diffcult it is when the cancer stuff denies us that outlet.

    Lmichele, running on the beach was sounding absolutely lovely, right up until I read the "ouchie" bit.  I was very lucky during my July vacation to NOT mess myself up with the barefoot beach running.  I know intellectually it's something you need to work up to gradually, but when you're on a deserted beach that goes on for miles and miles and it's a beautiful morning -- well, it's easy to get carried away.  I hope you're wrong about not being able to run until November.  As far as goal races go . . . what time frame and distance are you thinking of?

    Having made it until October without running in a single race, I almost don't want to spoil my record.  (It's the OCD aspect of my personality.)  I do, though, want to set some goals for 2012 . . . eventually.

    Linda

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    My head feels almost okay but I decided not to push running (I fell again on the way to chiropractor on Thursday!) but I did a brisk walk 5K and it was so gorgeous out today. Walked on the boardwalk, which forced me to pick up my hooves to avoid my trademark tripping manoeuvre.

    Linda, how do you make it all summer without joining a race? Don't you need any more tech shirts?

    ;-) 

    This is our Thanksgiving weekend up here, but my family did our turkey yesterday instead of the usual Sunday or Monday (complex reasons related to chauffeuring) and although I need the free days to catch up on work, I may even get another nice walk or run outing on Monday. (In fact, I may even make another turkey just for me.) 

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2011

    Hi everyone, thanks for the welcome. Yes, it's good to be around positive people, I agree. When I first starting poking around these forums, I found a lot of threads where it was a good thing to bitch and moan about everything, and I think reading all those posts was dragging me down even more. All throughout the time of my diagnosis and through both my surgeries I've been maintaining a positive attitude about things, and yes, being a runner has helped tremendously. I think this current setback, of having to undergo one more surgery (which was totally unexpected on my part) is what threw me for a loop. Well, they do say that it's expectations that mess us up the most, right?

    That said, I've thinking about your words a lot, goldlining. I don't know if I could just "wing it" like that for a marathon. Because I've doing the Avon Walk next week, I haven't really started following a formal marathon training program, and so after the walk, that would only leave me 12 weeks for training. Now granted, I just ran 15 miles this morning (just because!), so maybe I don't need that much training?? Before my first surgery in May, I was regularly logging 40-mile weeks. LMichele, I totally get what you mean about having to take a month off after just getting that month "back". It's so demoralizing having to give up what you've worked so hard to attain and start from scratch after each procedure. See, I only broke through my "running ceiling" last summer, because I always had sacrum pain and could barely make 20 miles a week. And I only started racing this past January! Considering I've been running (casually, I guess you could call it) for close to 18 years now, I'm really tired of waiting now once again.

    But I won't complain anymore, because this is the optimist thread. :) Have a great day, all!

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited October 2011

    Okay - I had a BMX with immediate reconstruction on September 12. Prior to this I had registered for the goofy challenge and had my flight booked. Is it crazy that I am still planning on doing this?

  • groovygirls
    groovygirls Member Posts: 223
    edited October 2011

    I feel so incredibly guilty for planning on doing a Susan komen run at the end of the month. I was so I'll informed. I will bypass the survivor tent and all the goodies and run my best as "anonymous"

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    Wow Esther, you sound in way better shape than me. If doing a full marathon is overly optimistic with your surgery, how about a half? You shouldn't decondition that much for the revision surgery should you? Goodness, just hauled off and did 15 miles today? And the surgery is all outside of muscles? Do you have your revision surgery date yet? 

    RunDisney was leaking suggestions that they would be relaxing some of the non-transferrable registration policies in medical cases, although I haven't seen it in writing anywhere. But with the Donald half and the Chip and Dale half and half relay on the same weekend as the Mickey marathon, you could try to contact a manager level person and wheedle your way into a shorter distance event in the same weekend and just shoot for an upright-and-smiling finish, if you realllly wanted to stick with your event date.

    I'm a little over-optimistic because the running events aren't really "races" for me as much as they are rewards, so as long as I finish, I'm happy. Hey, I'm at Disney World or Disneyland. I don't even run so much for training as I do for the good feelings, endorphins or relaxation or whatever it is. I don't think I'm getting any faster or better at it as I gradually was before the dx. But I figure I can focus on "performance" when life settles down, but I crave these events as symbolism. If I drop my optimist mask, I confess I do worry now that my surgery was delayed, it negates my "hide the surgery behind the run" distraction tactic, and it's scary-close to the half: just 7 weeks after DIEP, giving me not just a surgery to ruminate on with no run in front of it, but fears I won't be able to finish the half. But I'm letting optimism rule.  

    Happy running!  

  • kathyob
    kathyob Member Posts: 36
    edited October 2011

    Goldlining, are you facing another surgery after the half? How are you feeling since your concussion?I love your statement...Letting optimism rule. I will think about that this week... Everyone's posts on here are very encouraging to me as I face my first half since my diagnosis and treatment. I've had some tough training runs,and have hit the proverbial wall twice on long runs, which was disappointing. I broke 2 hours finally last year, but am not hopeful that I will do the same this year...but I want to focus on the joy of being able to run and finish, so that is what I am trying to think about this week. It is this Sunday and I am running with good friends and my boyfriend. Looking foward to a big post race breakfast!!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited October 2011

    Kathy, good luck on Sunday!  You're not running Detroit by any chance, are you?  That's my hometown race, and they do a half alongside the marathon.  I would normally be there spectating, if not running, but will be out of town on Sunday.

    (If anyone is shopping for a fall race for future years, the Detroit course is interesting and unique . . . a little, er, grittier than Disney, but still a lot of fun!  You get to run over the bridge into Canada just as the sun is coming up, then through a nice stretch of Windsor and back via an "underwater mile" through the Detroit-Windsor tunnel.  The tunnel portion is a trip.)

     L

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2011

    goldlining, I ran two half marathons in September so I guess I'm itching to finally train for "the big one". I only started racing this year. My first major race was the More Women's HM in NYC back in April; twice around Central Park and I was good to go! I had hoped to run a full marathon this fall, but scheduling kind of got in the way (holidays, family commitments... and oh yeah, cancer). Plus I had committed to doing the Avon Walk in October. Which is why I figured Disney in January was the best I could do, rather than waiting for the following spring. Though it feels I'm always waiting regarding my running these days....

    I just realized I ran four races in the past five weeks! Sheesh, no wonder I'm feeling so antsy! Track workout tonight, but I think I ate too much, and too late, this afternoon. Oof!!

  • TreadSoftly
    TreadSoftly Member Posts: 192
    edited October 2011

    Hi ladies!

    Good to read about all the running stories! some of those falls sound nasty......!!

    Ive been busy training for my second full marathon in 3 weeks time.  Im doing the Dublin city marathon (again!).  I did 20 miles in 3 hours 20 mins last weekend, so Im starting to taper now.  Realistically, Im probably looking at last years time of 4 hours 50 mins again, but would love to improve on that, even if its only by 5 - 10 minutes!!

    I also signed up for swimming lessons, and had my first one today!!  Ive always been a pretty useless swimmer but if I could master the talent, I would love to try a triathalon - my next big goal after the marathon!!

    Keep running ladies! xx

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited October 2011

    Hello, everyone!  I had my umx on Friday.  I am at the start of recovery and missing running.  I know that there will be moments when I will feel like I will never get back to it, I will never get back to where I was (which, btw, aint anywhere near where all of you are...I started running a year ago and I log about 15-20 miles per week...but I am proud of that, just the same).  So I decided that I would make a point of popping over here for inspiration.

    I have gotten in shape and overcome medical crap before.  I will do it again.  But seeing that you all have done it will help me focus...

    So...thanks for sharing...  and happy running...:)

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    I did the Disneyland Half at Labour Day and hoped to do the DIEP shortly after that, but my OR date is later than I hoped. But I had already registered in the sold-out Tinker Bell Half in late January and very keen on that Inaugural medal. In past years, I've done the Princess Half in Feb/March but that dictates Disneyland Half for the Coast to Coast. If I do the new Tinker Bell, I can get the Coast to Coast by the Wine and Dine Half. Some day, when all this crap is over and my heart rate says "okay, I am ready to train for real again", I may get fast enough for the Mickey full marathon, but honestly? I would be so hungry. The last half I did, the thing that got me through the last mile was visualizing the banana at the end. Even the medal wasn't doing it for me any more. But for now, my goals are to be kind to myself, stay in the game, and have fun.

    I saw my PS today related to administrivia and asked "am I out of my mind planning the half 7 weeks after the DIEP?" and he said "yes" but mainly because I wouldn't be able to train. I said that with all the best of intentions, I never seem to train the whole program anyway -- but I do taper and carb load with the utmost diligence. I have bags of endurance, though, and it's just that my time sucks. He said at 7 weeks I'd be able to do anything I wanted, and asked "how much time do you have to do it in?" When I said Disney is 3:30 for the half, but they count from the time the LAST corral starts. He said to go - worst case, I don't beat the bus, but maybe I can plead a mercy placement in an earlier corral so I have more time to walk. I just want to have something to get me out of the chair after the surgery.

    The year of the procedures isn't the year of personal best running times, that's for sure.

    Concussion-wise, I've been improving a lot but had occasional nausea and my blood pressure and respiration are still not 100% normal. Too much work to really rest my brain mentally, but giving myself some slack physically.

    So good to see so many adventurous folks popping in here. Even those of us who are back of the pack vicariously like to read about the faster gals! Please keep telling the stories :-)

  • orangemat
    orangemat Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2011

    goldlining, are you in CA? I'm in NJ, so traveling to Florida for a marathon makes it even more sketchy for me. Sure, I can run a half with virtually no training, just my consistent weekly running (haven't broken 2 hours yet, but I'm getting close!), but a full isn't so easy. Just sayin'.

    I must've missed something: a concussion??

    I skipped the track workout last night because I just wasn't in the mood to run. I really had wanted to go out running in the morning, but I knew I shouldn't since I was running in the evening. Sure, last summer and all winter long I would've been fine doing doubles, and had been, which is how I got so strong, but now, I'm just not sure I'm ready yet. I hate this fear of pushing myself, ya know? So anyway, I didn't run in the morning NOR in the evening, ha! Ended up going to yoga class and that was exactly what I needed. Even did a handstand (assisted, of course) and I liked it so much, I did another one! :) 

  • LMichele
    LMichele Member Posts: 165
    edited October 2011

    Ooh orange mat, I did try and succed at getting up to a handstand against a wall. This was shortly before my diagnosis. I got back to it between the lumpectomy and the BMX. But not since. I find it to be exhilarating and can't wait to get back.

    I did an extremely enjoyable 5 1/2 mile run on a beautiful day Monday, then had surgery yesterday. I think that's the longest I've run done since my diagnosis.

    There's a run I want to do but it might be too soon...it's a 6 miler I think, over the Ben franklin bridge and back. (between Philly and Camden, nj)

    Well on the bright side the only thing left to do is lay around and let my husband and daughters care for me!

    Funny story, last night my littlest one age 10, was rubbing my hair and scalp (I am so itchy!!). I said to her, you are so sweet to me! She said, that's what daughters are for! Not washing dishes and shucking corn!

    Hahaha

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2011

    Esther, I'm in Ontario, so Orlando and Anaheim are BOTH big spendy trips (although DL is almost twice as far as WDW.) 

    We were comparing notes on our prowess for faceplants a few pages back, and while I've always been a frequent faller, the concussion on the way to a massage (which turned out to have been cancelled, unbeknownst to me) was one of the cruelest ironies. Because I did not strike my head, just got a 10" diameter swollen bruise on my hip, it took a week for all of us (both doctors and me) to link the nausea and other symptoms to the fall.

    I was a little worried about maybe the bruise would kick up a blood clot or the concussion would be a problem on today's 5-hour flight but I ended up sleeping almost the whole way, and went out for a 5K+ walk (okay, there was a mall in the middle of the route) but it was too hot (>35C) to bring running shoes.

    Lmichele, good thinking to put a nice sunny run in the bank before surgery. Enjoy the post-run (and post-surgery) rest and you'll feel like an outing before you know it.

    My daughter is too old to nurture or be nurtured, and not old enough to realize you do things like that for your mom when she needs you. (She WILL shuck corn, but not do dishes.) Enjoy it while you can.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited October 2011

    Lmichele, that is such a sweet, funny story about your daughter.  Love it!

    Today's scary running story: on my run this morning I came up on an intersection where a residential street meets a main thoroughfare and saw that something was wrong - a car was stopped in the middle of the street, and two bikes were lying in the road . . . one of them partly crushed under the car.  The young kid who'd been on the bike was lying on the grass, seemingly in shock and unresponsive, while the driver tried to call for help on his cellphone - which for some reason wasn't working - and the kid's mother felt for his pulse.  I stopped to see what I could do, but of course I didn't have a phone on me . . . so I told the mother I'd run to the police station while the driver continued to try to call.  Holy cow, I'd forgotten how adrenaline can speed you up!  I was flying - had almost made it to the police station, maybe half a mile down the road, when I heard the sweet sound of sirens and saw two cop cars and an ambulance headed back to the accident.  I am hope hope hoping that the kid is OK.

    It always makes me furious when drivers blow right through the crosswalk; I probably see it happen at least once on every run.  Now, it's going to make me even more furious.

    (After I slowed back down, I found myself thinking of the movie Gallipoli - does anyone else remember it?  from way back when, in Mel Gibson's pre-a$$hole days?  "Legs like steel springs!" . . . as opposed to my more normal "legs like limp rubber bands.")

    L

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